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What Really Happened to Sister Marie Simon-Pierre?
By: Kerry Date: May 11, 2014, 5:03 pm
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I haven't been able to find any recent news about Sister Marie
Simon-Pierre. Is she still sick? Did the doctors diagnose her
again and find out what was wrong her -- has her health
improved?
Sister Marie was the nun who prayed to Pope John Paul to have
her Parkinson's disease healed. It was declared a miracle
despite the fact that doctors disagreed. From The Guardian,
March 2010
HTML http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/05/nun-cured-pope-parkinsons-ill:
In 2007 Simon-Pierre could barely move her left side, could not
write legibly, drive or move around easily and was in constant
pain.
Her disease worsened after the pope's death, and her order
prayed for his intervention to ease her suffering. Then after
writing his name on a paper one night, she woke up the next day
apparently cured and returned to work as a maternity nurse with
no traces of the disease.
But according to the Polish daily newspaper Rzeczpospolita, one
of the doctors charged with scrutinising the nun's case believed
she might have been suffering from a similar nervous disease,
not Parkinson's, which could go into sudden remission. A report
on the paper's website went further, saying that the 49-year-old
nun had become sick again with the same illness.
The Vatican was making no comment on the grounds that the late
pope's case was still under examination.
Although no date has been fixed for the late pope's
beatification, there had been an expectation that it would be
announced in mid-October. His case was fast-tracked by his
successor, Pope Benedict, and the anniversary of John Paul's
election falls on 16 October.
The first sign that all might not be as it should be came when
the Vatican fixed the canonisation of six new saints for the
following day, a Sunday, making a beatification the same weekend
impossible.
Vatican sources stressed that the panel of doctors which will
examine the evidence relating to Simon-Pierre's recovery was not
due to meet until April, when it will consider a report by two
medical experts.
The BBC
HTML http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-12192639
carried the news
later, in January 2011.
On Friday, after months of deliberations and a complex process
that has involved both medical experts and Church officials,
Pope Benedict XVI confirmed that such a dramatic and
scientifically inexplicable shift in her physical condition was
indeed due to the intercession of John Paul II.
The case fulfilled the criteria for a miracle - the healing was
instant, without scientific explanation and long-lasting.
"Her case is exceptional as we know that you cannot normally be
cured of neurological diseases. As far as I know there are no
documented cases in medicine of a regression of such kinds of
illnesses," Mr Andrea Tornielli said.
"That is why the case was so emblematic - and of course it was
the same illness that John Paul had suffered from 1992, and
which had shaped the final years of his life."
The path was not entirely smooth, however.
"One of the French doctors who was treating the sister does not
believe in the supernatural. Well, when he saw she was healed,
he said that if she was now better, she could not have had
Parkinson's Disease," Mr Tornielli said.
According to medical experts, is not easy to diagnose
Parkinson's, as there are no particular tests that can prove
whether or not someone has the condition. It is also possible to
mis-diagnose it.
So what really happened? I wonder if we'll ever know? The
Vatican went ahead and still proclaimed Pope John-Paul a saint
with two miracles.
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Re: What Really Happened to Sister Marie Simon-Pierre?
By: guest6 Date: May 12, 2014, 4:44 am
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I found this recent story.
‘Miracle nun’ says Pope John Paul II healed her from Parkinson’s
disease
Sister Marie Simon-Pierre was diagnosed with Parkinson’s in
2001. When her order began praying regularly to John Paul to
ease her pain, Simon-Pierre says her symptoms began to
disappear.
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Saturday, April 26, 2014, 8:00 PM
The “miracle nun,” as she is being called, will be part of the
throng in St. Peter’s Square when John Paul is canonized Sunday.
Simon-Pierre’s neurologist could offer no medical explanation
for why the nun is now symptom-free. Neither could Vatican
investigators, who concluded in 2007 — after a two-year
investigation — that it was intercession by the late Pope that
caused her to recover....
HTML http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/miracle-nun-john-paul-healed-parkinson-disease-article-1.1769668
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Re: What Really Happened to Sister Marie Simon-Pierre?
By: Kerry Date: May 12, 2014, 6:51 am
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[quote author=Heartsong link=topic=732.msg7257#msg7257
date=1399887869]
I found this recent story.
‘Miracle nun’ says Pope John Paul II healed her from Parkinson’s
disease
Sister Marie Simon-Pierre was diagnosed with Parkinson’s in
2001. When her order began praying regularly to John Paul to
ease her pain, Simon-Pierre says her symptoms began to
disappear.
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Saturday, April 26, 2014, 8:00 PM
The “miracle nun,” as she is being called, will be part of the
throng in St. Peter’s Square when John Paul is canonized Sunday.
Simon-Pierre’s neurologist could offer no medical explanation
for why the nun is now symptom-free. Neither could Vatican
investigators, who concluded in 2007 — after a two-year
investigation — that it was intercession by the late Pope that
caused her to recover....
HTML http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/miracle-nun-john-paul-healed-parkinson-disease-article-1.1769668
[/quote]That story omits the part about her getting sick again.
The pictures are from 2011. The only thing new I see is that it
said she'd be at the canonization. Was she? I'm not sure that
story is the whole story.
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Re: What Really Happened to Sister Marie Simon-Pierre?
By: coldwar Date: May 12, 2014, 10:57 am
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"Her case is exceptional as we know that you cannot normally be
cured of neurological diseases."
Yeah, don't I know it! >:(
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Re: What Really Happened to Sister Marie Simon-Pierre?
By: coldwar Date: May 12, 2014, 11:37 am
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Kerry - can you tell me where the post-mortem beatification
process comes from?
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Re: What Really Happened to Sister Marie Simon-Pierre?
By: Kerry Date: May 12, 2014, 3:50 pm
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[quote author=coldwar link=topic=732.msg7261#msg7261
date=1399912646]
Kerry - can you tell me where the post-mortem beatification
process comes from?
[/quote]I don't know that much about the history. I know the
original method of declaring someone a saint was much simpler.
It still is in the Orthodox Church.
HTML http://oca.org/FS.NA-Document.asp?ID=82
If a single church has a miracle after praying to someone, I
think they tell their Bishop, he writes to someone -- I think
the Patriarch in Constantinople who then writes the Patriarch in
Alexandria -- and everyone adds that name to the list of saints.
Thus Augustine somehow became a saint in the Orthodox Church
although his teachings are soundly rejected.
My guess is the Catholics were afraid of fraudulent claims and
came up with these protocols. Can you imagine how awkward it
would be if this nun did have a relapse and died with it? So
they are supposed to take time and make sure the miracle was
authentic. In this case, we know they were rushing into
things. If it ever got proved that this miracle was not a real
miracle, they'd have egg on their face. It looks to me as if
maybe it wasn't a miracle.
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