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John Calvin
By: meshak Date: May 7, 2014, 9:59 pm
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Calvin's Judicial Murder of Michael Servetus
By John Thomas Didymus
Michael Servetus (Miguel Serveto 1511-1553) was an intellectual
who made original contributions in several fields of human
knowledge, the most notable of which was his description of the
pulmonary circulation. Unfortunately, his productive life was
cut short by his crossing paths with John Calvin, the famous
leader of the protestant reformation in Switzerland.
Servetus was born in Spain to a family with Jewish blood links.
He is said to have been very gifted in languages having studied
Latin, Greek and Hebrew under Dominican friars. He attended the
University of Toulouse, in France, and got a degree in law.
After leaving school Servetus traveled in Germany and Italy. By
1530 he was in Basel where he worked as a proofreader. He read
widely during this time and, in July 1531, he published his
first work "On the Errors of the Trinity," and the following
year another titled, "Dialogues on Trinity." He returned to
Paris in 1536 to study medicine.
In his two books, Servetus rejected the Church doctrine of the
Trinity. He believed that it was not a biblical doctrine. He
urged a return to what he considered the simplicity of the
Gospels, for in his views, the Trinity doctrine had been
influenced by the pagan philosophies of the Greeks.
Servetus found no sympathy in Europe both from Catholics and
Protestants alike who believed in the Trinity and considered all
Unitarians heretics. Servetus started a medical practice near
Lyon and practiced for about fifteen years. He was personal
physician to some important personalities. During this time he
also published two new works on Ptolemy's Geography. Servetus
persisted in his anti-Trinitarian beliefs and in 1553 he
published a work which criticized John Calvin's doctrine of
predestination. Calvin considered this work a personal attack on
him. Servetus had been publishing under a pen name for several
years but he was soon corresponding openly with Calvin.
Calvin, at first, made a show of tolerating the "heretic," but
he soon ran out of patience and stopped communicating with him.
Servetus unwisely persisted in sending letters to Calvin and
soon Calvin had grown impatient with what he considered
Servetus' impertinent tone
A friend of Calvin's, in 1553, denounced Servetus as heretic in
Vienna, and Servetus was held for questioning by the French
inquisitor. He was released for lack of evidence. However, the
letters that Servetus had sent to Calvin were soon produced as
evidence and Servetus was again arrested by the Roman Catholic
authorities and imprisoned. He managed to escaped from prison
but was convicted of heresy and sentenced to be burned to death.
The Catholic authorities burned his books and effigy in his
absence.
Why Servetus returned to Geneva after he had escaped death in
the hands of the Catholics remains a mystery to this day. But on
August 13, 1553, he was present at a sermon by Calvin in Geneva.
He was arrested and again sent to prison. Servetus might have
thought that Calvin, a protestant, would be unwilling to have
him condemned to death, but it turned out that he had been
mistaken in his assessment of Calvin's pious personality. He was
condemned for spreading heretical doctrines. Servetus had only
very few supporters: the party of Libertines who were opposed to
his execution but enjoyed very little support.
Servetus was sentenced to death on 27 October 1553. He was
burned at the stake after the Geneva Council rejected Calvin's
request that he be decapitated rather than burned at the stake.
Calvin's position on Servetus was made plain throughout the
affair. He wanted nothing short of the death of the man who had
dared raise his opinions against his. Calvin revealed a
personality trait typical of men imbued with a deep sense of
service to God in matters of high principles which are thought
to absolve the "man of God" of all humane considerations. In
Calvin's words: "...we spare not kin, nor blood of any, and
disdain all humanity when the matter is to fight for God's
glory."
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Re: John Calvin
By: meshak Date: May 8, 2014, 11:02 am
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It is amazing that most main streamers follow this mad man's
teachings, disregarding Jesus' word of "we know them by their
fruit.
Calvin's fruit was evil.
There is no truth in evil man's teachings.
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Re: John Calvin
By: Kerry Date: May 8, 2014, 12:30 pm
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And he had more blood on his hands. From biblelife.org
HTML http://www.biblelife.org/calvinism.htm:
After some negotiation, Ami Perrin, commissioner for Geneva,
persuaded Calvin to return. He did so, though unwillingly, on
September 13, 1541. His entry was modest. Geneva was a
church-city-state of 15,000 people, and the church constitution
now recognized "pastors, doctors, elders and deacons," but the
supreme power was given to the magistrate, John Calvin. In
November 1552, the Council declared Calvin's Institutes of the
Christian Religion to be a "holy doctrine which no man might
speak against." Thus the State issued dogmatic decrees, the
force of which had been anticipated earlier, as when Jacques
Gruet, a known opponent of Calvin, was arrested, tortured for a
month and beheaded on July 26, 1547, for placing a letter in
Calvin's pulpit calling him a hypocrite. Gruet's book was later
found and burned along with his house while his wife was thrown
out into the street to watch. Gruet's death was more highly
criticized by far than the banishment of Castellio or the
penalties inflicted on Bolsec -- moderate men opposed to extreme
views in discipline and doctrine, who fell under suspicion as
reactionary. Calvin did not shrink from his self-appointed task.
Within five years fifty-eight sentences of death and seventy-six
of exile, besides numerous committals of the most eminent
citizens to prison, took place in Geneva. The iron yoke could
not be shaken off. In 1555, under Ami Perrin, a revolt was
attempted. No blood was shed, but Perrin lost the day, and
Calvin's theocracy triumphed. John Calvin had secured his grip
on Geneva by defeating the very man who had invited him there,
Ami Perrin, commissioner of Geneva.
Many people have forgotten, but the Catholics remember what he
did to them. From the Catholic Encyclopedia
HTML http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03195b.htm:
. . . in 1530 the Catholic party underwent defeat, and Geneva
became independent. It had two councils, but the final verdict
on public measures rested with the people. These appointed
Farel, a convert of Le Fevre, as their preacher in 1534. A
discussion between the two Churches from 30 May to 24 June, 1535
ended in victory for the Protestants. The altars were
desecrated, the sacred images broken, the Mass done away with.
Bernese troops entered and "the Gospel" was accepted, 21 May,
1536. This implied persecution of Catholics by the councils
which acted both as Church and State. Priests were thrown into
prison; citizens were fined for not attending sermons. At
Zürich, Basle, and Berne the same laws were established.
Toleration did not enter into the ideas of the time.
I like to hear both sides. You don't hear the bad stuff from
the people who would rather forget it; but their enemies are
often happy to share what they know. There is a saying that
sometimes you can count on your enemies telling you the truth --
that is true too. Whenever someone who doesn't like me says
something, I ask myself if it could be true. Maybe my friends
wouldn't want to tell me? Yes, I take what my enemies say
seriously. They might be right. I would have to thank them for
telling me.
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Re: John Calvin
By: meshak Date: May 9, 2014, 10:50 am
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=730.msg7220#msg7220
date=1399570257]
Many people have forgotten, but the Catholics remember what he
did to them.[/quote]
RCC started persecuting non-trins and their opposers.
Protestants are just following her.
RCC have been militant from the beginning of their history. they
have been at war all their history. Their militant faith is
continuing by approving to kill their enemy.
It is clear to me that RCC is mother of harlot and protestants
are her daughters.
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Re: John Calvin
By: meshak Date: May 9, 2014, 7:48 pm
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[quote author=meshak link=topic=730.msg7229#msg7229
date=1399650615]
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=730.msg7220#msg7220
date=1399570257]
Many people have forgotten, but the Catholics remember what he
did to them.[/quote]
RCC started persecuting non-trins and their opposers.
Protestants are just following her.
RCC have been militant from the beginning of their history. they
have been at war all their history. Their militant faith is
continuing by approving to kill their enemy.
It is clear to me that RCC is mother of harlot and protestants
are her daughters.
[/quote]
It is just mind-boggling that so many "Christians" blindly trust
and follow their traditional corrupt organization.
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Re: John Calvin
By: coldwar Date: May 10, 2014, 6:54 am
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^ "It is just mind-boggling that so many "Christians" blindly
trust and follow their traditional corrupt organization"
^ "It is clear to me that RCC is mother of harlot and
protestants are her daughters"
Your second statement is spoken often by the Seventh Day
Adventists. But examine it closely - Rev 17:5 says "And upon her
forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE
MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." It doesn't say
that Babylon has "daughters" directly, but it is implied in that
she is the "mother of harlots". This means that Protestants are
the harlots, but the Roman Catholic Church is their mother, and
also a harlot (v16). Of course we would agree that this is
totally a "spiritual" picture, but I'm not sure that the meaning
assigned by the SDA Church is correct, because it would say that
they are a harlot also, by self implication. Besides, v18 says
"And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which
reigneth over the kings of the earth". She is a city, not a
church (also 18:10). Now read what her merchandise is -
18:12 "The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones,
and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and
scarlet, and all thyne wood, and all manner vessels of ivory,
and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and
iron, and marble, 13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments,
and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat,
and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and
souls of men." This is a symbolic picture of "everything" ...
"all manner of..."
This is clearly connected with trade and commerce, not religion.
Babylon's destruction will have a huge effect on the "kings of
the earth" (leaders of nations) bringing to them profound
sorrow. On the other hand, if the Catholic and all Protestant
churches were to be destroyed, the effect on trade would not be
significantly bad - it would probably be positive - in fact,
the less religion a nation has, the more manufacturing, trade
and commerce they seem able to conduct. I suggest that Babylon
is a para-government network of the super wealthy and their
organizations, and the corporations that enable world-wide trade
are her daughters. Or, if you don't believe in a futurist
interpretation of Revelation, it still holds true - Babylon was
the trading organization and those who enabled it in the days of
the Roman Empire, it's the same thing, only at a different time
and on a smaller scale. It is so clear that the description of
Babylon in Rev. 17 and 18 has nothing to do with churches or
religion, and everything to do with macro-politics and trade.
18:4 "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of
her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." The Lord has
called us to a simple life - to not get entangled with this
world of high finance, trade and government - Babylon's ultimate
merchandise is the "souls of men", and Jesus taught "what profit
is it if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?"
Your first statement "it is mind boggling..." Yes I agree. But
it is a very human tendency for people to either follow that
which they're born into, or to rebel against it, and begin
following something just as bad. Catholics became Protestants,
and Protestants spawned the later religions, such as
Pentecostal, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists,
Scientology... Trinity, Unity... whatever. It's all bad for you.
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Re: John Calvin
By: Kerry Date: May 10, 2014, 7:50 am
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^ Babylon was built around the Tower of Babel where people's
tongues were confused and people couldn't understand each other.
When I think of all the thousands and thousands of
denominations, I think "Babylon" describes them pretty well.
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Re: John Calvin
By: meshak Date: May 10, 2014, 8:25 am
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[quote author=coldwar link=topic=730.msg7231#msg7231
date=1399722889]
18:4 "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of
her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." The Lord has
called us to a simple life - to not get entangled with this
world of high finance, trade and government - Babylon's ultimate
merchandise is the "souls of men", and Jesus taught "what profit
is it if you gain the whole world but lose your own
soul?"[/quote]
You are right, that's why I say that the RCC and the protestants
are of the world because they get involved with the world affair
which so evil especially getting involved in bloody affairs.
[quote]Your first statement "it is mind boggling..." Yes I
agree. But it is a very human tendency for people to either
follow that which they're born into,[/quote]
that's just an excuse. Jesus' followers are supposed to be born
again, meaning not to follow wicked tradition. Born again
Christians strive to follow all Jesus' righteousness or
teachings.
[quote] or to rebel against it, [/quote]
Why is it bad not going against wicked tradition?
[quote]Catholics became Protestants, and Protestants spawned
the later religions, such as Pentecostal, Jehovah Witnesses,
Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Scientology... Trinity,
Unity... whatever. It's all bad for you.
[/quote]
The only obvious wickedness is RCC and protestants because their
moral standards are no different form the secular world. Most
minority organization don't get involved with the world's
affairs, only Mormons approve of the military, it seems. I am
not sure because there are tons of denominations.
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Re: John Calvin
By: meshak Date: May 10, 2014, 8:28 am
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=730.msg7232#msg7232
date=1399726245]
^ Babylon was built around the Tower of Babel where people's
tongues were confused and people couldn't understand each other.
When I think of all the thousands and thousands of
denominations, I think "Babylon" describes them pretty well.
[/quote]
Yes, but wickedness or harlotry stems from the RCC and
protestants. They are the source of wickedness, IMO.
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Re: John Calvin
By: Kerry Date: May 10, 2014, 5:26 pm
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[quote author=meshak link=topic=730.msg7235#msg7235
date=1399728536]
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=730.msg7232#msg7232
date=1399726245]
^ Babylon was built around the Tower of Babel where people's
tongues were confused and people couldn't understand each other.
When I think of all the thousands and thousands of
denominations, I think "Babylon" describes them pretty well.
[/quote]
Yes, but wickedness or harlotry stems from the RCC and
protestants. They are the source of wickedness, IMO.
[/quote]I would say it comes from some of their leaders -- I
wouldn't lump everyone together. If a spiritual leader is
trypng to serve both God and mammon, you get all kinds of
problems.
Still though, I think it is God's Will that false churches stay
around. They serve a purpose. They keep part of the truth
alive -- enough truth that people who want to improve can
benefit.
Didn't we all start off in false religion? Aren't we all fallen
to begin with? Don't most of us wish to have religious leaders
that are always right so we don't have to think for ourselves?
Surely we all start off as children of the Lady of Babylon.
Our mother is the fallen woman. Then comes the call.
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying,
Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her
sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
So we should believe, I think, that God's people are still found
wrapped up in false religion -- just as the Jews kept falling
into idolatry and the like. It will be so until God's people
hear and obey the Voice from Heaven.
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