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Son of man
By: George Date: January 5, 2014, 8:59 pm
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In Christianity there seems to be some sort of connection with
the term Son of man and Son of God and ultimately God himself.
It is maid claim by Jesus that he is the Son of man, this has
been translated to mean that he is Son of God and ultimately God
by majority of Christendom. It is also claimed that Jesus had no
earthly father, so how then if Jesus had no earthly father is he
the Son of man? Even more confusing is how does Son of man
relate to being God himself, who I believe if he is the creator
of all things, the first cause, could not possibly be then the
son of man or son of a god. What or where do we find the Son of
man being a connection to begotten son of God or God? Likewise
how is Jesus Son of David if he had no earthly father? It is
well known that in the Jewish tradition that the mother of a
child was not considered when referring to the child's "family
tree" or descendants. Jesus himself according to the scripture
refers to himself as Son of man, he also tells the disciples
when you pray, pray like this, ""our Father" which leads me to
believe he felt that we were all equally children of God. Does
Jesus refer to himself as son of David, and if so, what could he
have meant by it?
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Re: Son of man
By: Kerry Date: January 5, 2014, 10:04 pm
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[quote author=George M. C. Jr. link=topic=669.msg6584#msg6584
date=1388977141]
In Christianity there seems to be some sort of connection with
the term Son of man and Son of God and ultimately God himself.
[/quote]Consult the Hebrew for the expression of "son of man"
and you find it's "ben adam." It is not "ben enosh." Enosh is
the physical man -- the animal expression. Adam is the
spiritual man, in the "image and likeness of God."
Thus the expression "son of man" means to have the correct image
and likeness, that given to Adam. It does not mean being born
as a mortal human being. The "Son of Man" came down from
Heaven -- while remaining in Heaven at the same time. It is
the Spiritual Man.
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that
came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
See how that says the Son of Man both came down from Heaven and
yet is "in" Heaven?
[quote]It is maid claim by Jesus that he is the Son of man, this
has been translated to mean that he is Son of God and ultimately
God by majority of Christendom.[/quote]This view arises, I
believe, from a misunderstanding of the distinction between
"enosh" the carnal man and "adam" the spiritual man.
[quote] It is also claimed that Jesus had no earthly father, so
how then if Jesus had no earthly father is he the Son of
man?[/quote]The correct image and likeness of Adam came down
from Heaven.
[quote]Even more confusing is how does Son of man relate to
being God himself, who I believe if he is the creator of all
things, the first cause, could not possibly be then the son of
man or son of a god. What or where do we find the Son of man
being a connection to begotten son of God or God? Likewise how
is Jesus Son of David if he had no earthly father? It is well
known that in the Jewish tradition that the mother of a child
was not considered when referring to the child's "family tree"
or descendants. Jesus himself according to the scripture refers
to himself as Son of man, he also tells the disciples when you
pray, pray like this, ""our Father" which leads me to believe he
felt that we were all equally children of God. Does Jesus refer
to himself as son of David, and if so, what could he have meant
by it?[/quote]The lineage of the mother doesn't matter when it
comes to being a son of David. That goes only through the
males.
I will say something that may strike many as very strange.
During the period of betrothal, before the man and woman took up
living together as husband and wife, the Jewish man is supposed
to pray for some of his own spiritual light to descend on the
woman. It is the woman who brings light into the world.
Through a woman, it left the world and it must return through a
woman. So I say Joseph was involved in this, and without his
prayers Jesus would not have been conceived. I also believe
Jesus obtained the "seed of David" by the descent of light
because of the prayers of Joseph. In one way, Joseph was the
father of Jesus -- but not by sexual intercourse.
When it comes to such things, Christians are often uninformed.
If they read more "bad books," they might understand things
better. Aleister Crowley frightens people; but he wrote about
how virgin births happen. Of course, Crowley was in a tradition
that borrowed heavily from the Jewish tradition.
Consider the confusion when people start invoking the Trinity.
They quote the Bible correctly that the Holy Spirit overshadowed
Mary; but how do they then say Jesus called the first person of
the Trinity "Father." Wouldn't the Holy Spirit have been his
father?
I say Jesus came to change fallen man -- the carnal fleshly type
of Enos -- back into the spiritual type of Adam. We should not
think that sexual intercourse is necessary for spiritual
reproduction. The type of bearing offspring changed in Genesis
after the fall. If a man having sex with a woman to have
babies is obeying the commandment to be "fruitful and multiply,"
then Jesus did not keep this commandment. Neither did Mary. I
believe both did keep the commandment -- and in the way Adam
and Eve were supposed to obey it before the fall.
What I do not believe is that teenagers in the back seat of a
car guided by lust and having premarital sex and making a baby
is obeying that commandment. A man raping a woman and getting
her pregnant is not obeying that commandment. The purpose was
to duplicate the correct image and likeness of God.
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