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Can three be one
By: George Date: January 1, 2014, 5:21 pm
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[quote author=Saul link=topic=656.msg6538#msg6538
date=1388587174]
George: An egg has 3 seperate parts with three seperate
functions yet it is still an egg. You can take an egg shell
seperate it from the rest of the egg, and that doesn't change
the fact that the egg shell is still part of the egg.
[/quote]
As not to derail the other thread I started a new thread to
reply to this comment. There has been a few threads on this
topic; but why not start a fresh one.
Here for me personally is the fallacy in the statement of the
egg. I absolutely agree that when the shell is separated from
the other parts of the egg it is still "part" of the egg; But it
is no longer an egg. When we take a whole and dissect it, the
individual parts are no longer considered the whole. An egg
consist of lets say three parts, the yolk, the egg white, and
the shell, and each plays its own role in being one egg as a
whole. If we take and crack the egg and empty the egg yolk and
white into a bowl, the egg shell alone cannot be considered to
still be an egg. To be an egg it must consists of three parts,
so the shell alone is just as you said, it is part of the egg;
but not the egg in whole, thus we say its the egg "shell". Same
is said for the yolk and whites, if we ask what is in the bowl
we might say its a cracked egg, or its the egg yolk, referring
to the fact that it is part of the original whole which is the
egg, minus the shell.
In the past I have heard it said that by claiming what the bible
says which is God is one, I am dissecting God. My argument then
as is now is that for me it seems that the Trinitarian dissects
God who I believe to be one a whole within himself into three
while still claiming a wholeness of one. The Trinitarian tries
to say that God is the father, his spirit is the Holy Ghost or
Holy Spirit and his word is the Son or Jesus, and these three
make up the whole which is one God. In the same breath the
Trinitarian will say Jesus died on the cross that God is
immortal, Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, and the Holy
Spirit is the comforter that will guide us into all truth. Each
having a separate role while still being one.
One egg can hatch into a chicken, One egg shell is not able nor
does it consist of what is needed to hatch into a chicken, it
lacks key ingredients to be an egg, which is capable of becoming
a chicken. To me likewise someone that is mortal lacks what it
is to be God. God cannot be both mortal and immortal
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Re: Can three be one
By: Saul Date: January 2, 2014, 9:24 pm
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[quote]thus we say its the egg "shell". [/quote][quote]cracked
egg, or its the egg yolk, [/quote]
In every case, whether it's complete, it's still a part of an
egg. Whether seperated from it or not. Now, true enough an egg
without it's entire part will not spring forth a chick. But it
is no less an egg, a boiled egg is still an egg, even though a
boiled egg cannot spring forth a chicken.
Now with Jesus, and I'm not pretending to completly understand,
but In John's Gospel we have:
John 1:1-5
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the
light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the
darkness comprehended it not.
And again
Colossians 1:16-18
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
16 for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and
that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be
thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things
were created by him, and for him: 17 and he is before all
things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of
the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from
the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
John 8:58
"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was
born, I am!"
With God all things are possible. John 8:58 Jesus states I Am
.........God told Moses in the desert that He is YAhWeh........I
AM. I cannot say I understand it all, but I believe that there
is enough substantial proof in the scriptures to conclude that
Jesus came on the earth as absolutely 100% Man and 100% God. In
any case with God nothing is impossible.
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Re: Can three be one
By: George Date: January 5, 2014, 11:04 am
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[quote author=Saul link=topic=666.msg6561#msg6561
date=1388719480]
With God all things are possible.
[/quote]
With God is it possible to create another God?
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Re: Can three be one
By: Saul Date: January 5, 2014, 12:54 pm
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[quote]With God is it possible to create another God?[/quote] I
could answer this another way, but I'll say this, God could. He
can do anything He wants to. You are looking at this from a
physical perception, which says God can't do it. His Word tells
us Jesus is a part of Him. There is no getting around it. Jesus
is the Son of Man, Son of God, Son of David all the while being
Jehovah, Himself. Can any human fully understand or explain it,
probably not. I do not have to fully understand it, for it to
be truth. Do you fully understand electricity, or better yet
can you fully explain the human body? If you could fully
understand the human body, then you're the only one that has the
answers to why the human body breaks down. No one fully
understands the human body, otherwise all diseases could be
cured, by mankind. Yet, the human body still exists even though
we do not fully understand it. Same way with God The Father,
God The Son and God The Holy Spirit, no one fully understands
it, but by His Words He exists as such.
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Re: Can three be one
By: George Date: January 5, 2014, 4:43 pm
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[quote author=Saul link=topic=666.msg6578#msg6578
date=1388948072]
I could answer this another way, but I'll say this, God could.
[/quote]
I disagree, God is uncreated. Therefor by sheer definition of
who God is one cannot create another God or creator. He can
create another god possibly but not another Creator God who is
first cause. Likewise God cannot lie. God is perfect so he is
not capable of imperfection
[quote author=Saul link=topic=666.msg6578#msg6578
date=1388948072]
He can do anything He wants to.
[/quote]
I would have to disagree with this statement as well. God can
only do Godly things, God cannot sin. Do you truly believe God
is capable of sin or imperfection if he wanted to? If God was
not perfect or if he could sin, then what would make him God?
Just like the egg has to consist of certain traits in order to
be considered an egg, likewise God has certain traits that make
him God, by Gods own will. It is the way he ordered things to
be. We are human, and there are certain traits that
differentiate us from being God, we are not perfect, we sin, we
are mortal, these are the characteristics of being a human.
[quote author=Saul link=topic=666.msg6578#msg6578
date=1388948072]
You are looking at this from a physical perception, which says
God can't do it. His Word tells us Jesus is a part of Him.
There is no getting around it. Jesus is the Son of Man, Son of
God, Son of David all the while being Jehovah, Himself.
[/quote]
If I am to believe in God, The creator of all things, then I
believe we are all a part of God, we are all the sons and
daughters of God.
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Re: Can three be one
By: Saul Date: January 5, 2014, 8:23 pm
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I see you side-stepped my main point. So here it is again.
His Word tells us Jesus is a part of Him. There is no getting
around it. Jesus is the Son of Man, Son of God, Son of David all
the while being Jehovah, Himself. Can any human fully
understand or explain it, probably not. I do not have to fully
understand it, for it to be truth. Do you fully understand
electricity, or better yet can you fully explain the human body?
If you could fully understand the human body, then you're the
only one that has the answers to why the human body breaks down.
No one fully understands the human body, otherwise all diseases
could be cured, by mankind. Yet, the human body still exists
even though we do not fully understand it. Same way with God
The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Spirit, no one fully
understands it, but by His Words He exists as such.
[quote]If I am to believe in God, The creator of all things,
then I believe we are all a part of God, we are all the sons and
daughters of God.[/quote] So you can believe we are all a part
of God, but cannot believe that God became a man Jesus, who was
100% God and 100% Man?
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Re: Can three be one
By: meshak Date: January 5, 2014, 11:20 pm
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[quote author=Saul link=topic=666.msg6583#msg6583
date=1388975039]
So you can believe we are all a part of God, but cannot believe
that God became a man Jesus, who was 100% God and 100% Man?
[/quote]
Where does Jesus say He is 100% God and 100% man?
You see, doctrine of trinity is man-made. You cannot prove this
dogma scripturally.
It is sin to create your own doctrine and ostracize others who
don't beliver in this man-made doctrine as cult.
BTW, I am not a JW. I don't belong to any organization. I
follow Jesus, not any organization.
blessings.
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Re: Can three be one
By: Kerry Date: January 5, 2014, 11:43 pm
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[quote author=meshak link=topic=666.msg6586#msg6586
date=1388985616]
Where does Jesus say He is 100% God and 100% man?[/quote]
This is a Catholic teaching, I believe, that most Protestants
also accept as true. From the Catechism:
CCC 464 The unique and altogether singular event of the
Incarnation of the Son of God does not mean that Jesus Christ is
part God and part man, nor does it imply that he is the result
of a confused mixture of the divine and the human. He became
truly man while remaining truly God. Jesus Christ is true God
and true man.
During the first centuries, the Church had to defend and
clarify this truth of faith against the heresies that falsified
it.
Not everyone held this view in the early church. The Catechism
admits that. They held councils and voted on things and then
declared people heretics. When the Protestants broke away,
most of them kept this idea without questioning it. I question
it myself.
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Re: Can three be one
By: Kerry Date: January 5, 2014, 11:56 pm
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[quote author=George M. C. Jr. link=topic=666.msg6577#msg6577
date=1388941493]
With God is it possible to create another God?[/quote]No, but it
is possible for beings called gods to come into being. They can
be called that since they are so much like God in some way.
They did not exist from all eternity, of course.
Psalm 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he
judgeth among the gods.
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are
children of the most High.
Psalm 136:2 O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy
endureth for ever.
Psalm 138:1 I will praise thee with my whole heart: before the
gods will I sing praise unto thee.
Moses was told he would be as god to Pharaoh. Aaron would be
Moses' prophet or mouth, and Moses would be god -- or as a
god.
Exodus 4:16 (Youngs Literal Translation) and he, he hath spoken
for thee unto the people, and it hath come to pass, he -- he is
to thee for a mouth, and thou -- thou art to him for God;
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Re: Can three be one
By: Saul Date: January 6, 2014, 8:00 am
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[quote]Where does Jesus say He is 100% God and 100% man?
You see, doctrine of trinity is man-made. You cannot prove this
dogma scripturally.
It is sin to create your own doctrine and ostracize others who
don't beliver in this man-made doctrine as cult.
BTW, I am not a JW. I don't belong to any organization. I
follow Jesus, not any organization.
blessings.[/quote] Meshak who am I judging? Or ostracizing.
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