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Re: Power of prayer
By: Kerry Date: December 19, 2013, 11:58 pm
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[quote author=George M. C. Jr. link=topic=656.msg6464#msg6464
date=1387501417]
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=656.msg6460#msg6460
date=1387427334]
Does it seem reasonable to try to understand how prayer works
before you understand how your own body works? Perhaps running
your body is a type of miracle.
[/quote]
For that matter why understand anything before understanding how
our body works? I would say that there are very few if any that
truly know with full understanding of how our bodies work. Would
you say that you know 100% how the body works?[/quote]We need to
know enough about it to make it work the way we want. If your
ideas get the results you want, then your theory may be right.
But if you get results you don't want, your theory needs looked
at again -- just the way science keeps modifying and refining
theories.
If you know you don't know about something, then you are wise to
find someone who does. So we go to doctors. We hope they know
more than we do. If my car breaks down, I take it to my
mechanic since he's demonstrated to me that he knows more about
cars than I do. I know he does by his past acts, so I trust
his judgment. He makes some mistakes but I'd make more.
[quote][quote author=Kerry link=topic=656.msg6460#msg6460
date=1387427334]
But what changes at the exact second the urge to move gets so
strong you get up and move?
[/quote]
I would say reason. I think there is reason behind all action or
lack of action.[/quote]"Reason" is not measurable in any real
way. It exists mostly in people's minds. I can't smell it,
taste it, touch it, weigh it, hear it or see it. "Reason" is
not a thing.
[quote]From my experience smoking pot has little change on
actual reality.[/quote]Ha, no, it has more to do with our
perceptions of reality. With our feelings.
But any drug which changes our thoughts and feelings can be
dangerous. If I was on so many drugs I couldn't feel any pain,
I could burn my hand on the stove not knowing I had it in the
fire. Pain can be a good experience. Very good. Negative
emotions can be good to experience -- they tell us something is
wrong out there in reality. The fear of the rabbit when it
sees a bigger animal helps that rabbit survive. Emotions should
relate to reality. We should not feel depressed if there's
nothing to be depressed about; and we shouldn't be happy if
there's nothing to be happy about.
How drugs affect reality can be subtle. I get drunk and don't
do the things I need to do. So I feel good. I may call off
work and have some more booze to feel good about that. How
long can I neglect doing the things in reality that I need to do
to have things the way I want so I'm happy about them?
[quote]Now there are cases such as coldwars experience when
someone in my opinion over does it and it affects there reality.
[/quote]Does it really affect reality, or only their perception
of it?
[quote]This wasn't a pleasurable experience though. I think if
smoked within limitation it enhances reality, it makes pleasure
even more pleasurable, if one loves music it seems to make the
music that much better. Or if one loves chocolate it makes it
that much more desirable. Similar to adding seasoning to food.
Potatoes are good, add butter and salt and its that much better.
Does it make it wrong to add butter and salt? I would say no.
[/quote]Butter and salt are real. My tongue can taste them.
I'm not hallucinating them. I'm not feeling good about
something that isn't there.
[quote]The only way I see it becoming a problem is if one became
dependent on pot, if one cannot enjoy life unless they are
smoking. Yet I think that is a vary rare occasion for someone to
be dependent on pot. I wouldn't say I was dependent on pot when
I was smoking, I never felt like without it I couldn't function
or enjoy things. Compare that to eating the potatoes, one could
eat the potatoes if they were starving and there was no salt or
butter; but if there is salt and butter available, why not add
it?
To me there are a lot of things in life that are this way, we
add all types of enhancements to all sorts of things that we do.
I love music, so I buy a large speaker and an amplifier to play
the music loader. Women are beautiful yet they wear makeup to
enhance there beauty. Men cut there hair or grow there hair,
shave or don't shave, we all do something to enhance what we
like or enjoy. To me pot is in the same category, unlike pain
pills. people become addicted to pain pills, without them they
cannot function, they cant eat, they cant even get out of the
bed until the get there fix. Like heroin or crack, there are
certain substances that take control and people become dependent
on them. Pot doesn't seem to me to be that way, not from my
experience. [/quote]You are still confusing real things in
reality with altered perceptions of real things. You are
avoiding reality if you do pot to make the music sound better
than it really is. Maybe you should go find better music or
get a better sound system instead of altering your perception of
reality. Pot tends to make people apathetic. Life already seems
good to them, so why try to make it better?
[quote]Then there are the beneficial effects of pot. there are
many things even in the medical field that pot is good for,
people suffering from loss of appetite due to chemo therapy have
been proven to gain there appetite after smoking pot for
example. Ive even seen in studies where it was claimed that
smoking pot had many cancer fighting benefits associated with
it, more so than even consuming the plant by means of eating it.
It was said that when eating it the body processes it
differently and destroys many of the cancer fighting substances
that one receives when smoking it. Its claimed that smoking pot
is good for the eyes and many other things.
Tobacco is more of a dependent substance than pot in my opinion,
I was able to give up pot; but cigarettes is a battle. I am not
even sure what it is about cigarettes that I enjoy, yet I can't
just put them down. Do you think cigarettes change reality, or
have any effect on reality? Why do you think people smoke
cigarettes? [/quote]
You wouldn't believe me if I told you. Nicotine addiction is
more subtle than almost any other. It also may be the only drug
that once you're addicted, doesn't make you feel good by doing.
Its major effect is making you feel bad if you don't do it.
If God is a spirit and you are something else -- how could you
know about Him? If God is a spirit and you are a spirit also,
that would imply you could know something about Him. If you
are a spirit but don't know what a spirit is, how could you
worship God "in spirit and in truth"? If you were made in the
image and likeness of God but can't find that in yourself, how
would you know what to look for "out there"?
If you and God are both "cause" because you are both spirit,
this may have something to do with how prayer works.
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Re: Power of prayer
By: Kerry Date: December 21, 2013, 10:33 am
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Speaking of nicotine! I was wondering if maybe smoking
cigarettes would help dystonia. By my theory of things, it
might. Indeed, it has worked for some people, I discovered.
HTML http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)63142-X/fulltext<br
/> Doctors prefer nicotine patches to cigarettes, of course.
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Re: Power of prayer
By: coldwar Date: December 21, 2013, 12:10 pm
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^ That is interesting, but I'm sceptical. Nicotine is a
stimulant to the central nervous system - and so is sugar. Sugar
is the absolute worst thing for me - even a small amount will
set off my spasms and pain real bad. I'm glad for this, as it
helps keep my weight under control. The drugs I take (Valium and
codeine) are CNS depressants, and so is the neuro-stimulator for
that matter. These all help - with the stimulator providing
about 50% of the benefit now. Near the beginning, it gave me
more like 80% relief, so it's effectiveness is dwindling over
the years. So did the marijuana, except as George notes - I
overdid it; but for the life of me George, I still find it
incredible that I could at one time share several joints with my
friends, and still function, but this recent experience of
smoking just one joint with one friend caused the cheese to slip
right off my cracker! I guess I could say, I'm all for Pot, but
Pot isn't for me. If it has really gotten that much stronger,
then I believe that people who dispense it for medical purposes
ought to provide very strong precautions about what could happen
in certain cases.
Anyway, we ought to get back to the prayer discussion. I've seen
so many cases among Pentecostal type Christians where people are
believing lies about prayer. About a dozen years ago, there was
this "gold tooth filling" phenomena going around. One guy I knew
was very convinced that he got a gold filling from God when he
had gone to the very (in)famous Toronto Airport Christian
Fellowship church. He was showing it to everybody when he
returned home, and everybody at church was "Woww! Praise the
Lord, thank you Jesus!" I asked him to show me, and all I saw
was one old fashioned mercury-silver filling - it was almost
black in colour as if it had been there for years. I confronted
him with this; but he insisted that his mother told him he had
never had a tooth filled in his life.
Now my daughter is into much the same thing, but this time it's
"angel feathers" she keeps finding in her house. Again I said
"show me", and sure enough, she took a small box out of a
drawer, in which there were several very small white feathers,
and every one of them had a very small strip of a golden colour
along one edge. Of course, I am glad that my daughter is of
strong Christian faith and I don't want to discourage her, so I
just responded with "well, how about that" I suspect these
feathers were coming out of a down-filled comforter somewhere in
her house. But I can't explain the gold edge - I've never noted
such a thing on down-feathers before, but then, I haven't
actually seen many of them, period. An even bigger issue for me
is that her six year old son has Autism, her two year old isn't
talking yet, she has just booted her husband out and wants to
divorce him - I need to know why God isn't answering her real
serious needs, but is giving her gold-edged feathers instead???
Now, Paul said that "Love... Beareth all things, believeth all
things, hopeth all things, endureth all things." (1 Cor 13:7) It
seems at first glance that these people are indeed "believing
all things" to be true, even if they're not. What does Paul mean
here? I can't answer that right now, because I don't know.
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Re: Power of prayer
By: Kerry Date: December 22, 2013, 8:21 am
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[quote]That is interesting, but I'm sceptical. Nicotine is a
stimulant to the central nervous system - and so is sugar. Sugar
is the absolute worst thing for me - even a small amount will
set off my spasms and pain real bad. I'm glad for this, as it
helps keep my weight under control. [/quote]
Nicotine affects the autonomic nervous system.
HTML http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/ap/saladin/nervous/reading12.mhtml
[quote]The drugs I take (Valium and codeine) are CNS
depressants, and so is the neuro-stimulator for that matter.
These all help - with the stimulator providing about 50% of the
benefit now. Near the beginning, it gave me more like 80%
relief, so it's effectiveness is dwindling over the
years.[/quote]
The activity of the CNS relative to the ANS may be something to
look at. Coffee and cigarettes tend to offset each other, with
the caffeine stimulating the CNS making it more active than the
ANS -- creating at times a feeling of tension, etc. So if you
stimulate the ANS with nicotine, that level creeps up and tends
to balance things out.
My guess is it's unpredictable but in some cases, stimulating
the ANS would give similar results to depressing the CNS.
[quote]So did the ****, except as George notes - I overdid it;
but for the life of me George, I still find it incredible that I
could at one time share several joints with my friends, and
still function, but this recent experience of smoking just one
joint with one friend caused the cheese to slip right off my
cracker! I guess I could say, I'm all for Pot, but Pot isn't for
me. If it has really gotten that much stronger, then I believe
that people who dispense it for medical purposes ought to
provide very strong precautions about what could happen in
certain cases.[/quote]
There are several variables; but if you kept using it, you'd get
used to it. It's like having dials on your car dashboard that
register wrong. You get used to it and adjust. Or it's like
having two cars, one with a good set of brakes and one with a
bad set. You get used to driving them both.
Any drug that severs the mind-body connection can produce some
very strange results initially -- or under stress. I had a very
strange experience once when I got high. My body was very
sensitive to air currents too -- the slightest breeze made me
shiver. I got under some covers and started hallucinating. I
saw a beautiful vibrantly red rose on a stem, and a drop of
water falling onto it.
It varies by the person too. But it's can become destructive
since you are never sure if what you're seeing is real or not.
A few years later I started seeing lines of light. I wasn't
sure if they were really there or not. I stopped getting high.
The lines were still there at times. Then I found out what they
were. If I had kept getting high, I think I may have driven
myself nuts -- deriving fanciful theories and losing my grip on
reality.
There are several spiritual things which get mimicked by drugs.
Acid is particularly bad for mimicking things; and it can twist
the mind permanently. Almost anything people say they have
experienced on acid, I can say I've seen without it. The
problem is they don't know what's going on. If I see a wall
vibrating, I know what's going on. If I see through something,
it's a minor annoyance. But I also know full well that other
people aren't seeing things the way I'm seeing them; so I
wouldn't discuss them unless I was with a person who wouldn't
get freaked out.
I also would not freak out too much if I saw someone's face
start to resemble his father's face. I'd feel confident I knew
what I was seeing. You may find it hard to believe, but those
"faces" can put on and taken off. I was talking to a girl once
and she said somewhat surprised that I looked like Jesus. Now
really I do not; but she was correct when she saw me that way.
It was a "face" I had been putting on.
That is harder to do in the waking state -- the physical reality
interferes with the "projected" pictures. It's much easier in
dreams. I've been known to disguise myself in dreams to play
tricks. Call it shape-shifting perhaps. I have dreamed about
being "other people." But last week, I dreamed about being
about six years old as myself, and I was giving a teacher a
difficult time. I won her over in the end.
In another recent dream, I was tired of having too many people
in the dream and got rid of their projected bodies into my dream
by whacking them over the head -- they just went poof. It
didn't harm them really -- just sent them back to their physical
bodies.
But what you saw was a bad sign. That fellow is not in good
mental health; and if his father is still alive, I'd advise him
to stop seeing him. Remember when I said we control bodies
using electrical fields? I never knew how to describe it right
and never got around to it; but now you saw that, I'm telling
you you saw something that was probably real. (Keep doing the
pot, and you couldn't trust what you saw -- but such faces can
be real.) He was probably projecting it. And it will affet
his body eventually. People can get diseases that way. If his
father had diabetes and he's projecting a copy of his father
onto his own electrical field, he could create diabetes in his
own body.
[quote]Anyway, we ought to get back to the prayer discussion.
I've seen so many cases among Pentecostal type Christians where
people are believing lies about prayer. About a dozen years ago,
there was this "gold tooth filling" phenomena going around. One
guy I knew was very convinced that he got a gold filling from
God when he had gone to the very (in)famous Toronto Airport
Christian Fellowship church. He was showing it to everybody when
he returned home, and everybody at church was "Woww! Praise the
Lord, thank you Jesus!" I asked him to show me, and all I saw
was one old fashioned mercury-silver filling - it was almost
black in colour as if it had been there for years. I confronted
him with this; but he insisted that his mother told him he had
never had a tooth filled in his life.[/quote]
He's also playing with projections. In his mind, all those
things are true, absolutely true. The only problem is they
don't match up with the "shared reality" of other people; and he
has no way of making his projection become true. A "miracle"
would occur -- changing reality -- if his mercury filling was
changed to gold and looked like gold to everyone else.
A critical factor in prayer is having the "right picture" in the
mind. Then it's a matter of getting the power to make it true.
Some people can imagine that what they picture has become true
in the "common reality" when really all they've done is made it
true in their minds. Thus they're out of synch. Ideally, you
should be able to tell the difference between "my universe" and
"the commonly shared universe."
If you are flexible enough mentally, you can even "walk into
someone else's universe." You can read his mind. You can feel
what he's feeling. The trick there is being able to drop your
own assumptions about reality and being willing to adopt his.
Some people also "broadcast" their thoughts -- one guy was
"thinking so loud" one day, I had to ask him, "What are you
doing in those woods?" We were in a stockroom in fact; but I
kept getting this picture of him in the woods. So I knew he was
thinking about being in the woods. At first he tried to deny it
-- then he admitted it was true. He and his girlfriend had had
a pleasant outing in the woods; and he was daydreaming about it.
[quote]Now my daughter is into much the same thing, but this
time it's "angel feathers" she keeps finding in her house. Again
I said "show me", and sure enough, she took a small box out of a
drawer, in which there were several very small white feathers,
and every one of them had a very small strip of a golden colour
along one edge. Of course, I am glad that my daughter is of
strong Christian faith and I don't want to discourage her, so I
just responded with "well, how about that" I suspect these
feathers were coming out of a down-filled comforter somewhere in
her house. But I can't explain the gold edge - I've never noted
such a thing on down-feathers before, but then, I haven't
actually seen many of them, period. An even bigger issue for me
is that her six year old son has Autism, her two year old isn't
talking yet, she has just booted her husband out and wants to
divorce him - I need to know why God isn't answering her real
serious needs, but is giving her gold-edged feathers
instead???[/quote]She has what she wants. It is a rule with me
that people get what they want. It doesn't matter if they like
it or not.
[quote]Now, Paul said that "Love... Beareth all things,
believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things."
(1 Cor 13:7) It seems at first glance that these people are
indeed "believing all things" to be true, even if they're not.
What does Paul mean here? I can't answer that right now, because
I don't know.[/quote]
Believeth all things really means, I think, believes what is
really there in the shared universe or reality. She has pin
feathers but doesn't believe they are pin feathers. I'd say she
doesn't believe all things.
What is reality? To me, I know what is true in my own universe
and I believe I also know what is true in the shared universe we
call the physical universe. I also try to understand other
people's personal universes if they try to communicate them.
You can "understand" that she is convinced these feathers are
"angel feathers" in her universe. You can't change that -- not
really -- only she can. It is "true" in her mind -- thus in
your mind you tell yourself it is true for her but not for you.
Your mind encompasses her set of beliefs and understands them as
"her truths."
To be sure, she is apt to run into further problems as the
"reality out there, the common reality" conflicts with her
personal reality.
"The Word of God" when it came to prophets often was pictures or
words, sometimes both. Having the pictures come true -- that is
also involved in prayer. But one must be sane. I have to know
that the picture in my mind is not true already out there. And
I have to have faith in seeing it become true out there.
The process is little different from opening a door when someone
knocks. You know you want the person to come through the door
when it's open; and you know it's closed. So you imagine this
state of the person coming through the door -- it's true in your
mind at that point and false in the physical universe. There
is a difference between the two -- the door is shut but you
imagine it open. So you must "do" something -- using power --
to make it so.
The person who can't harness the power to make things true is
free of course to get wrapped up in fantasies.
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Re: Power of prayer
By: coldwar Date: December 22, 2013, 10:25 am
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"But what you saw was a bad sign. That fellow is not in good
mental health; and if his father is still alive, I'd advise him
to stop seeing him. Remember when I said we control bodies
using electrical fields? I never knew how to describe it right
and never got around to it; but now you saw that, I'm telling
you you saw something that was probably real. (Keep doing the
pot, and you couldn't trust what you saw -- but such faces can
be real.) He was probably projecting it. And it will affet
his body eventually. People can get diseases that way. If his
father had diabetes and he's projecting a copy of his father
onto his own electrical field, he could create diabetes in his
own body. "
OMG Kerry - you don't know this guy at all - never met him! But,
all this took place in his father's house - it consists of two
flats, with his father living downstairs, and the upper kept
vacant for my friend when he comes home (his father used to rent
out the upper flat). For the past 5 years or so, my friend has
been living in the Orient - various countries. But you nailed it
- his father and he both have diabetes - four needles a day
required, both of them. While we were smoking, "dad" was
downstairs comfortably watching TV. Upstairs, like I said
before, I was confused as to who was in the room with me - was
it my friend or his Dad - especially when he would occasionally
take on his Dad's foreign accent.
His mother died about 10 years ago of cancer, and I recall he
always had a rocky relationship with her. I always felt his
relationship with his father was OK in comparison, and now, he
says he gets along with his father better than ever before.
Now, as for my friends mental health - he seems to have it
altogether, but has recently told me he has great trouble
sleeping, and has restless leg syndrome, and he smokes Pot as an
antidote for both of these. He used to be a Christian - that's
where I first met him - it was at a church about 15 years ago
(it was the Vineyard Church, which started out OK, but
eventually went with the gold fillings type of stuff) He told me
recently he was never happy as a Christian, but claims to be now
very happy as an agnostic socialist, save the world type of
person. He has taken on a very strong sense of justice, and
posts a lot on Facebook about various injustices that are
happening in the world. But he also is very worried about his
own life and his future. He never got into a career track until
he was 40 years old, and that was overseas; and so he will never
qualify for Canada's universal pension plan. I'm sure his
physical health bothers him mentally too. BTW, he regards me as
more than a friend, often referring to me as "his older
brother".
Meanwhile, I'm re-reading what you wrote above, to see if I can
gain any greater understanding of it.
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Re: Power of prayer
By: coldwar Date: December 22, 2013, 12:30 pm
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"It is "true" in her mind -- thus in your mind you tell yourself
it is true for her but not for you. Your mind encompasses her
set of beliefs and understands them as "her truths.""
That is indeed what I am doing, but should I be doing it? Aren't
I being an enabler by not objecting against what she's
believing? Then there's always the question - "maybe she's
right?" I've never seen feathers quite like them - the gold edge
is really quite golden, not merely yellow or brown. Perhaps
she's making these herself by applying a bit of gold-leaf paint
to the edges - she is exceptionally good with arts and crafts,
especially extremely fine work. She's almost like one of those
people who can do a painting on the head of a pin.
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Re: Power of prayer
By: Kerry Date: December 22, 2013, 12:41 pm
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I am a little stunned myself. I thought diabetes would be a
good example. It's very bad news he's still hanging out with
his father. And yes, I can imagine his relationship with his
mother could have had its problems. When two people are around
someone like his father, they are usually afraid to take on the
real source of the problems and blame each other. Once the
third person can get two people fighting with each other and
suspicious of each other, he can tell them almost anything and
they'll believe him. Both can be convinced the third person is
on their "side."
I doubt if you could pry this fellow away. If you tried, I bet
he'd say something about it to his father who would then poison
him against you.
Odds are too that without the father around, he and his mother
would have gotten along fine. Both were probably duped by the
things the father said -- the ideas he projected were "more
real" than what they actually saw. Humans are very vulnerable
to having their relationships poisoned. If a woman tells
another woman her husband was staring at a third woman, odds are
the wife will get upset although she didn't see it and she was
happy up until then with her husband. If she gets quiet and
broods about it and never sorts it out in reality, it can poison
the marriage. People really do live a lot in a world of ideas.
People tend to take on the faces and mannerisms of other people
they see as "winning." I had a friend once who was a dedicated
alcoholic. When she started drinking, she often went through
a phase where her language changed and she'd tell people they
had heart of gold. That was one expression she used. She
appeared friendly in that personality. As she drank more,
she'd switch to another personality. You could tell how much
she had had to drink by which personality she was showing.
Those were personalities from her past; and when drunk, she'd
slip into them. I never found out who she had copied and was
projecting. I'd say she was one of the most impressive people
I ever met; and if she had never done the speed and the booze,
she would have been a splendid person. But she was
deteriorating quickly -- almost before my eyes -- physically and
mentally. And yes, she had me convinced she was my best and
only friend and everyone else was not to be trusted that much.
Later I found out she had told various lies to other people
about me, rousing suspicion in them.
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Re: Power of prayer
By: Kerry Date: December 22, 2013, 12:49 pm
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[quote author=coldwar link=topic=656.msg6477#msg6477
date=1387737008]
That is indeed what I am doing, but should I be doing it? Aren't
I being an enabler by not objecting against what she's
believing? Then there's always the question - "maybe she's
right?" I've never seen feathers quite like them - the gold edge
is really quite golden, not merely yellow or brown. Perhaps
she's making these herself by applying a bit of gold-leaf paint
to the edges - she is exceptionally good with arts and crafts,
especially extremely fine work. She's almost like one of those
people who can do a painting on the head of a pin.[/quote]
I don't know if you're enabling her or not. You don't know.
All you can do is try to understand; and the time may come when
you see what you should do. I'd be wanting to look around to
see if I could find the source of the feathers. She could be
making them herself or perhaps someone else was making them to
drive her nutty. Did they look like any of the feathers at this
site:
HTML http://honestlywtf.com/diy/diy-gold-dipped-feathers/
If you can figure out how her feathers got done, you could make
some of your own and pretend yours are angel feathers too. When
she is so happy about that, then you tell her you were joking
and really had made them yourself. Logic may not work; but
something dramatic may shock her out of the delusion.
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Re: Power of prayer
By: Saul Date: December 23, 2013, 6:29 am
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I am curious how many have witness the power in prayer,
experienced something that could not be explained through any
other means other than an act of God, and seen this happen
continually. Not just one or two unexplained acts throughout
several years of fervent prayer.
I am a witness to the power of prayer. The question is how many
examples would you like? I'll give one that truly shows how
powerful Jesus is. I was invited to a Bible study, little did I
know they were inviting me to lead the study group. Well, there
were 8 of us. While I was on the porch talking to a woman, she
stated how bad her feet hurt. I prayed for her the swelling went
down, and the pain stopped. The next woman I recieved a word of
knowledge on, I asked her if she had something wrong with her
brain (I tried to word it without being insulting lol) and
pointed to a spot on the back of her head. Turns out she had
been in a bike accident, she was healed. We went inside, The
Lord gave me words of knowledge on every person in the room
except one. I had them pray over each other, to show them that
it wasn't anything with me, that it is The Holy Spirit doing the
healing. All got healed of their various problems, since then
all have been medically confirmed. Now, for the one that didn't
get a word of knowledge, she refused to let anyone pray for her.
I asked her why not, she said it wasn't God's Will for her,
because I didn't get a specific word of knowledge for her. I
said ok, whatever is wrong with you, simply move that part. She
looked at me, then did it, turns how her kneck had been the
part, she was healed and I never prayed for her. Out of 8 people
in the room 7 were healed. I was the eigth and am perfectly
healthy......lol Praise Jesus! Seven people within a 30 minute
time span.........that's power in prayer!!! In a nine month time
span I have prayed for at least one person a day and saw them
get healed. I was working for a transportation company, where I
took people to their doctor appointments. So each person was
medically diagnosed with the problem and medically confirmed.
There were cases where the person wasn't healed, I do not keep
count, but would say there is about a 80% success rate. My
company has since closed down, so unfortunately I do not get to
pray for as many people now. But, this does show the power of
Prayer.
Experiments (my opinion) will not show positive results, because
there is built-in unbelief with experiments. You are trying to
prove or disapprove the power of prayer. If I were to pray for
someone knowing it was an expirement then I believe the outcome
would not be positive.
The weather my examples a little less impressive. I'll just
state this, in the year and a half I have been a true believer,
there hasn't been a extreme storm hit my area. Recently, we were
supposed to be hit with that ice storm that hit the east coast,
it didn't happen. A bad snow storm, hasn't happened. This
weekend thunderstorms, hasn't happened. Praying for weather or
natural disasters on a national level, not very successful. I
would say this is because of the mass of people talking negative
and not prophesying against them. But you figure in a area with
three small cities population around guessing 13,000, with two
people known to be praying (surely more than that praying),
that's pretty positive results.
There is a price to pay, especially when praying for the sick.
After my healing when I started to pray for the sick, when The
Holy Spirit moved and healed someone, I would pay a price when I
got home, there would be chaos and bad things happen. Whenever,
God's Kingdom advances there is a push back, from our advesary.
But once we recognized this and trusted Jesus, then the enemy is
powerless. Another cross to bear is the one's that do not get
healed. I've had more than one heartbreak, that I've had to hand
over to Jesus. I still have times when I cry over the one's that
have gone to be with Jesus. But even then Jesus steps in and
comforts me. The comfort is also in the fact if there are ten
people dying and seven are healed, then that is worth it. We
serve a Loving and a Merciful Father!!
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Re: Power of prayer
By: Kerry Date: December 23, 2013, 7:17 am
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I did experiments with hurricanes. It started when I had a
friend who was living in New Orleans, and I had a vision one
night of a massive wall of water. I knew there was going to a
problem there. When I called him, I told him about my vision
and asked him if he would leave. Of course, I don't think he
took me too seriously; but he said he wasn't going to move that
year because there were still things he wanted to wrap up. So I
prayed that year. I can't remember how many hurricanes there
were that year; but New Orleans didn't get hit -- I think it was
a pretty slow year. He moved back to Pennsylvania the
following year, and I did not pray that year. I felt perhaps
it was correct for New Orleans to get hit and I had already
pressed my luck asking for a year's worth of mercy. That was
the year Katrina hit.
Then I met Leaf (she is a member here but doesn't post that
much) at another forum, and the topic came up; and we agreed to
pray that year to try to stop hurricanes. That was also a very
slow year for hurricanes -- but if a storm was headed towards
Haiti, I wouldn't pray for them. The voodoo in Haiti was part
of the reason for hurricanes in my opinion -- as had the voodoo
in New Orlean, the voodoo in Africa where those winds go over --
and an evil presence in the Atlantic Ocean. So it seems to me.
So it was back and forth. Some years I would pray and others I
wouldn't. I don't know if the prayers messed up scientific
studies or not; but I read where they said they were giving up
trying to predict which years would have lots of hurricanes. I
may be guilty of messing up their studies.
This year, without telling anyone, I prayed to prevent
hurricanes. I don't think there needs to be as much prayer as in
the past since the voodoo centers of evil finally got hit
themselves. For too many years, they summoned these forces that
then went and hit other places. But I was praying this year. I
can't prove that, of course, by saying it after the fact; but
Leaf can tell you about the past year when we were praying. I
was not praying about the Pacific. While I feel sure there was
some dark spiritual force at work, I cannot say I have a clue
what it is. I know I was surprised when the Philippines got
hit. I didn't feel too bad. After all, there are millions of
people there -- they could have been praying themselves. I
started watching weather maps off the coast of Africa. And I
noticed that prayers seemed to work best early as the winds left
Africa and hit the ocean. (The section of Africa the winds go
across is the voodoo area.) A little weak potential storm could
be handled. The bigger it got, I think the more people knew
about it from the news. And the more people knew about it, the
more faith they had in it becoming a hurricane.
One can pray to God; and you can also talk to the spiritual
forces (the elementals) that govern the weather. Yes, I think
you can talk to the wind. One day I was driving and had to
stop. When I turned my head to look out the window, I got a
puff of air right on my nose. Nowhere else. There was no other
breeze. Some wind spirit was trying to talk to me to get my
attention, so I talked back.
Ah, that reminds me of when I lived in Greenville, South
Carolina. I was not a Christian at the time; but I did know
about the wind spirits. I could tell it was going to rain and I
was walking home. So I asked if the rain could please be
postponed until I got home. The first drops fell as I stepped
onto the sidewalk going from the street to our house. That was
good enough for me. In fact, I saw the drops on the sidewalk
before I felt any.
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