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#Post#: 6454--------------------------------------------------
Re: Power of prayer
By: Kerry Date: December 17, 2013, 9:13 pm
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[quote author=George M. C. Jr. link=topic=656.msg6453#msg6453
date=1387326664]
This question can be taken in different ways, I will try to
answer to the best of my ability; but I may not be understanding
exactly what your asking. From my understanding we are able to
move because of our brains.[/quote]I've never seen my brain, and
I'm guessing you have never seen yours. Yet we believe we have
them.
[quote] The brain sends electrical signals through the body
using our nervous system which causes muscles to expand and
contract, which then causes a movement. This is how I understand
the body to work. [/quote]
That doesn't really explain it to me. Say you are sitting in a
chair and a guest asks you for a glass of water. Do you have a
choice about it, or does your brain do everything automatically?
You move your mouth, lips and tongue to say yes. Then you
stand up and move towards the kitchen and so on. Is the brain
doing everything on its own, or is there a "you" that has
something to do with it?
You can do an experiment. Sit on a chair and when you decide to
get up out of it, don't do it right away. Sit and think about
your decision to get up and go somewhere else but don't move for
a while. Don't try to change your decision -- just observe the
situation for a while. When you do move, what changed?
[quote]Someone who is completely brain dead is not able to move
there body. [/quote]
That could be like saying someone sitting in a car without a
battery can't get the car to move. He can turn the ignition
key to try to start the car, but nothing happens. Or perhaps
it's like a car without having someone in it to turn the
ignition key?
If the brain is damaged permanently, it wouldn't matter if there
was a "spiritual being" trying to run the body since it would be
like a car without a battery. If there is nothing wrong with
the brain except there is no one running it, it would be like
observing a car that sits there. Comas can be like that -- and
you can do experiments with bodies in comas. If you can get the
"person" to come back, you can get him to move the body by
activating the brain. It's been done. Or sometimes the
"spirit" returns to the body on its own -- comas are
unpredictable.
Scientologists learn now to talk to the "real person." You
don't talk to the body if you want to revive the body. What you
do is touch the body to stimulate it while talking to the "real
person" and "ordering" him to return.
Can you "order" someone else around? Again, that is something
you can do experiments with. The theory in Scientology can be
tested -- that theory says if the other person is truly in
charge and in control of himself, you cannot control him. If
he's out of control, you can tell him to do something using a
voice of control (remember the power of the spoken word from the
Bible?) and he'll do it. This is true, the theory says,
because the other person really wishes to be under control.
Thus he will agree to it if you order him to get under control.
I've tested this. I can get drunk people to sober up -- at
least temporarily -- by telling them to do certain things. Of
course, their bodies are still being affected by the booze
until that clears out of their system; but it is possible to
order them around to a certain extent. I also once told a kid
I was going to make him leave the 7-11 I was a clerk in because
he was creating a problem. He said he wouldn't go; and I said,
"Yes, you will." I took my first finger, put it in the middle
of his back and pushed him out of the store. He was
struggling as he went -- but my one finger pushed him out of the
store.
The process is called "running control" or 8-C. It's not
something anyone should try just for fun -- but it does work.
Again going back to the example of the car -- suppose you're a
passenger and the driver temporarily loses control of the car.
You reach over and grab the wheel and hit the brake with your
foot. You can do that because no one is in control. That gives
you the right to take control -- and once he gets himself back
in control, you take your hands off his wheel and drive the car.
You can't control another person if he's in control himself;
but you can take control if he's out of control.
[quote]If you are referring to moving in space, such as walking
from the kitchen to the bedroom, gravity plays a huge factor in
this. If we were in outer space where there is zero gravity,
while we could still move our body parts, we would not be able
to move in space, such as we can do here on earth. It gets much
deeper if one ponders on what causes the brain to function; but
that is way beyond my knowledge or understanding. I think it is
said that the brain is made up of mostly fat cells, and what
causes that fat to have some sort of intelligence appose to the
fat on our stomach, waist, or hips is beyond me.[/quote]In other
words, you don't know how it is done; but you know how to do it
and since it works, you believe you can move your body. You
have faith in your ability to move your body.
That brings up another question: Is it more important to
understand the logic and science of everything or more important
to know how to do something? Do you want to understand the
"theory of prayer" or do you want to "know how" to get results
-- the way you get results when you want to move your body?
You can think of prayer as a way of being able to control
objects or people in a way that doesn't depend on your brain.
We are like people in cars -- who think that to go anywhere or
get anything done, we have to use the cars and its controls.
We are trapped in large part by our bodies and our faith in
them. The idea of getting out and walking without the car
seems impossible to us. Or being able to fly in an airplane
seems crazy. We are so used to using our brains to move our
bodies with us in them around.
So I ask, if you can create an electrical field in your brain
that moves your body around, can you create electrical fields in
other objects? Can you "think a thought" in an ashtray?
Scientologists have an exercise where they do that. They learn
how to put thoughts in objects instead of having their thoughts
only inside or close to their bodies. It's something you have
to learn, the way we have to learn how to run our bodies after
we're born. Babies are mostly helpless until they learn how to
"drive" their bodies by learning where the right brain cells are
for moving the parts of the body. With animals, that's not the
case -- all their bodies are wired the same way. A calf can
get up and stand right after being born. Humans have to wire
their brains.
#Post#: 6455--------------------------------------------------
Re: Power of prayer
By: coldwar Date: December 17, 2013, 10:38 pm
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It's a little embarrassing for me to talk about this now, but
the discussion is hitting so close to a recent experience, I
have to mention it.
A couple of months ago, I smoked some pot with a friend. I've
probably smoked the stuff at least 20 times before, but the last
time was about 15 years ago. I was especially interested in
seeing if it would have positive benefit for my Dystonia,
because everybody's talking about it being a wonder drug for
just about everything else these days. Anyway, we went ahead and
smoked one joint between us - in the past, I'd been accustomed
to smoking at least two, and one time as many as ten.
This time, however, was extremely different, and it scared the
crap out of me! On just half a joint for my portion, I got
completely detached from myself - that's the only way I can
describe it. My friend and I ended up back sitting in his
kitchen, but he had to help me in, because I went "legless".
When my brain said to walk, my legs couldn't respond. It just
kept getting stranger and stranger. When I spoke, it was as if
it wasn't me, but somebody else in the room. I had to constantly
try to keep grounded by reminding myself where I was, and who my
friend was, because he had assumed the persona of his father -
they do look a lot alike, but he had aged, and even seemed to me
to have taken on his father's Hungarian accent. There was the
usual distortion of time - minutes turned into hours, but this
effect was 1000X greater than I had ever experienced before. I
remained unable to get up out of my chair and walk for what
seemed like several hours, but was really less than 2 hours. I
was extremely thirsty, and I had to keep asking him to get me
more water - he was not affected nearly to the extent that I
was. Also, with my past experiences, I was able to continue
functioning- I could walk, play pool, even drive my car. But not
so this time.
Strangely enough, I recall frequently asking him to go get his
guitar so we could play some tunes together - I had managed to
at least get my mandolin on me, but he said "right now I
couldn't even tune my guitar let alone play it". I tried keeping
myself grounded by noodling around with my mandolin as we
talked, but it seemed like somebody else was playing it - not
me. Strange again, because I recall one of my earlier
experiences over thirty years ago, when I was working on a Stage
Crew for a performance by one of our (then) famous Canadian folk
singers, who lit up and passed around 4 joints among six of us
back-stage before the performance. He could still sing and play,
and the rest of us could still do our thing, it was just so much
more enjoyable. But this time was so much different than
anything like I had ever experienced before, and I wasn't
enjoying it one bit - I was scared. plain and simple. Finally, I
was able to stand up, and used the bathroom and went to bed. I
looked in the bathroom mirror, and everything seemed OK with me
- I was still quite high, but at least no longer "un-glued".
This was two hours later. I slept very well, and woke up
sometime in the night feeling fantastic, but the next day, I had
some residual effect where things didn't seem quite real
somehow, although all my physical functions had returned to
normal.
Fifteen years ago, Pot was always green, loose and leafy, but
this stuff was gray and very sticky I had noticed. My friend
said it was enough for him to last a week, but it looked to me
to be a very small quantity that he had. I'm thinking that
today's Pot must be 100X more potent than what I had been used
to years ago.
Oh yes - it did help my Dystonia symptoms considerably - in fact
the problem went away completely while I was high, but so did
most of my normal muscle control (Dystonia is abnormal muscle
control). Also, for the whole day following, I was mostly
symptom free, but the price was too great... I'd like to be able
to get some added symptom relief, but still retain my sanity.
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Re: Power of prayer
By: Kerry Date: December 18, 2013, 3:07 pm
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^ Do you have a theory about what happened, Coldwar?
My guess is it was a higher grade -- with some cannaboid that
you weren't used to. If you persisted at it, odds are you
could teach yourself to move your body while on it. I don't
know if I'd advise that, but that's my guess.
#Post#: 6457--------------------------------------------------
Re: Power of prayer
By: coldwar Date: December 18, 2013, 3:54 pm
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Much much stronger than what I'm used to, no question. Many
mental health professionals are now saying that the Pot
available today is far stronger than it used to be, and that
it's causing Schizophrenia in teens who use it. Could it be
what's behind things like school shootings and the like? People
who are pro-cannabis are always saying that nobody ever gets
violent while high on Pot, in comparison to alcohol, but perhaps
they're not taking into account the escalation of mental health
problems that seem to be taking over the youth of our society.
???
As for this drastic effect on me, my theory is that I have the
Neuro-stimulator going - possibly a bad mix with cannabis? Too
bad I wasn't able to shut it off, especially as this was
supposed to be an experiment to see if cannabis would help my
dystonia symptoms. But I didn't have my controller with me, so
that's a moot point. I'd like to try it again, but with a much
lower potency - the good old green dry leafy kind we used to get
in the '70's, if it even still exists. And of course, I'd have
my controller with me to shut the Stimulator off.
#Post#: 6458--------------------------------------------------
Re: Power of prayer
By: George Date: December 18, 2013, 5:40 pm
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Interesting experience you had coldwar. I am a firm believer in
the idea that pot has a lot more beneficial factors than
negative. I have been a chronic smoker for about twenty years,
until just recently. I decided in around July to quit smoking to
see if I felt any better, and because it was the only way I was
going to get a descent Job since the construction business has
basically come to a halt. I think I was over doing it for sure
and anything done in excess becomes harmful. Since I have quit I
have felt better physically; but as far as mentally I cant tell
a positive difference, I may have even been more mentally stable
when I smoked as well as creative and open minded. If it wasn't
for the random drug testing that the company I am currently
working for has I would certainly love to start back smoking but
with limitations. I literally smoked from the moment I woke up
to the moment I went to sleep, every day all day. It didn't
matter what I had going on I was smoking. I would think that you
just consumed to much, considering that it had been so long
since you had previously partook in that activity. Along with
the fact that the quality is far better you basically just over
did it. I would bet that if you just hit the joint one time and
let it take its affect, it would help you tremendously as well
as I would imagine you would enjoy it. Eventually one puff would
turn into two and then three in order to reach that feeling; but
if you could control and limit your intake, my money is on you
would enjoy life even more than you do now. Again I am a firm
advocate of pot and the legalization of it, so I am definitely
partial to the side of the argument that pot is a good thing.
I'm sure there are others who would completely disagree. I would
wonder though how much experience does the apposing argument
party have compared to my experience with it.
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Re: Power of prayer
By: George Date: December 18, 2013, 7:17 pm
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=656.msg6454#msg6454
date=1387336406]
I've never seen my brain, and I'm guessing you have never seen
yours. Yet we believe we have them.
[/quote]
But we have both seen a brain and are fully aware that all
living beings have one and without it one could not function. It
is more than a belief its a fact, wouldn't you say?
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=656.msg6454#msg6454
date=1387336406]
That doesn't really explain it to me. Say you are sitting in a
chair and a guest asks you for a glass of water. Do you have a
choice about it, or does your brain do everything automatically?
You move your mouth, lips and tongue to say yes. Then you
stand up and move towards the kitchen and so on. Is the brain
doing everything on its own, or is there a "you" that has
something to do with it?
[/quote]
I think, that the "you" and the brain are so closely intertwined
that one can not function without the other. The "you" controls
the brain yet the brain controls the "you". Now while that
doesn't seem to make much sense I do think that is how it works.
But no I cant explain it in much more detail than that.
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=656.msg6454#msg6454
date=1387336406]
You can do an experiment. Sit on a chair and when you decide to
get up out of it, don't do it right away. Sit and think about
your decision to get up and go somewhere else but don't move for
a while. Don't try to change your decision -- just observe the
situation for a while. When you do move, what changed?
[/quote]
I seem to do that regularly, maybe not; but I think we all have
to think about what we are going to do next for the most part.
Now of course there are reactions and reflects where in we move
without giving much if any thought. It would seem that in the
day to day decision making process we do think about our next
move though, and sometimes decide to do something different than
what we first thought or had the urge to do.
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=656.msg6454#msg6454
date=1387336406]
That could be like saying someone sitting in a car without a
battery can't get the car to move. He can turn the ignition
key to try to start the car, but nothing happens. Or perhaps
it's like a car without having someone in it to turn the
ignition key?
[/quote]
To an extent is this not indeed a true statement, a fact? They
could put it in neutral open the door and push it and get it to
move; but they wont be turning the key, putting it in drive or
revers and getting it to move.
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=656.msg6454#msg6454
date=1387336406]
If the brain is damaged permanently, it wouldn't matter if there
was a "spiritual being" trying to run the body since it would be
like a car without a battery. If there is nothing wrong with
the brain except there is no one running it, it would be like
observing a car that sits there. Comas can be like that -- and
you can do experiments with bodies in comas. If you can get the
"person" to come back, you can get him to move the body by
activating the brain. It's been done. Or sometimes the
"spirit" returns to the body on its own -- comas are
unpredictable.
Scientologists learn now to talk to the "real person." You
don't talk to the body if you want to revive the body. What you
do is touch the body to stimulate it while talking to the "real
person" and "ordering" him to return.
[/quote]
This is a completely separate subject that consist of is the
"you" actually a spirit. This could be very interesting and deep
conversation in itself.
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=656.msg6454#msg6454
date=1387336406]
So I ask, if you can create an electrical field in your brain
that moves your body around, can you create electrical fields in
other objects? Can you "think a thought" in an ashtray?
Scientologists have an exercise where they do that. They learn
how to put thoughts in objects instead of having their thoughts
only inside or close to their bodies. It's something you have
to learn, the way we have to learn how to run our bodies after
we're born. Babies are mostly helpless until they learn how to
"drive" their bodies by learning where the right brain cells are
for moving the parts of the body. With animals, that's not the
case -- all their bodies are wired the same way. A calf can
get up and stand right after being born. Humans have to wire
their brains.
[/quote]
This question takes for granted that the "you" is capable of
creating without the use of the brain. I am not sure if this is
indeed true. My theory is that the "you" and the brain are
unable to function solely on its own, or without the other
member. Now if the "you" is indeed spirit and able to function
without a brain this would be a different ballgame yet I am not
sure how one could test that idea. While researching up on Billy
Meier it is his belief that at death the "you" or the "I" or the
"me" dies. This would seem to make sense to me and fall in line
with the idea that the "you" and the brain are intertwined and
cannot function solely on its own.
#Post#: 6460--------------------------------------------------
Re: Power of prayer
By: Kerry Date: December 18, 2013, 10:28 pm
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[quote author=George M. C. Jr. link=topic=656.msg6459#msg6459
date=1387415856]
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=656.msg6454#msg6454
date=1387336406]
I've never seen my brain, and I'm guessing you have never seen
yours. Yet we believe we have them.
[/quote]
But we have both seen a brain and are fully aware that all
living beings have one and without it one could not function. It
is more than a belief its a fact, wouldn't you say?[/quote]You
believe it. You do not know what would happen to you without
your brain. For all you know, you could be hallucinating
everything. Your body and brain may not exist. Other people
may not. The only thing you can be sure about is that you are
aware.
[quote][quote author=Kerry link=topic=656.msg6454#msg6454
date=1387336406]
That doesn't really explain it to me. Say you are sitting in a
chair and a guest asks you for a glass of water. Do you have a
choice about it, or does your brain do everything automatically?
You move your mouth, lips and tongue to say yes. Then you
stand up and move towards the kitchen and so on. Is the brain
doing everything on its own, or is there a "you" that has
something to do with it?
[/quote]
I think, that the "you" and the brain are so closely intertwined
that one can not function without the other. The "you" controls
the brain yet the brain controls the "you". Now while that
doesn't seem to make much sense I do think that is how it works.
But no I cant explain it in much more detail than
that.[/quote]Does it seem reasonable to try to understand how
prayer works before you understand how your own body works?
Perhaps running your body is a type of miracle.
[quote][quote author=Kerry link=topic=656.msg6454#msg6454
date=1387336406]
You can do an experiment. Sit on a chair and when you decide to
get up out of it, don't do it right away. Sit and think about
your decision to get up and go somewhere else but don't move for
a while. Don't try to change your decision -- just observe the
situation for a while. When you do move, what changed?
[/quote]
I seem to do that regularly, maybe not; but I think we all have
to think about what we are going to do next for the most part.
Now of course there are reactions and reflects where in we move
without giving much if any thought. It would seem that in the
day to day decision making process we do think about our next
move though, and sometimes decide to do something different than
what we first thought or had the urge to do. [/quote]But what
changes at the exact second the urge to move gets so strong you
get up and move?
[quote][quote author=Kerry link=topic=656.msg6454#msg6454
date=1387336406]
That could be like saying someone sitting in a car without a
battery can't get the car to move. He can turn the ignition
key to try to start the car, but nothing happens. Or perhaps
it's like a car without having someone in it to turn the
ignition key? [/quote]
To an extent is this not indeed a true statement, a fact? They
could put it in neutral open the door and push it and get it to
move; but they wont be turning the key, putting it in drive or
revers and getting it to move. [/quote]By my analogy, they don't
believe they can get out of the car. They believe the only way
to move is to stay in the car. That's their theory, and they
don't investigate other possibilities.
[quote]This is a completely separate subject that consist of is
the "you" actually a spirit. This could be very interesting and
deep conversation in itself.[/quote]How can it be a separate
subject? Who or what is in charge? Who or what is "cause"
that can make things happen? My theory is that "matter is
effect" and "spirit is cause." I don't see physical objects
making decisions to do things.
[quote]This question takes for granted that the "you" is capable
of creating without the use of the brain. I am not sure if this
is indeed true. My theory is that the "you" and the brain are
unable to function solely on its own, or without the other
member. Now if the "you" is indeed spirit and able to function
without a brain this would be a different ballgame yet I am not
sure how one could test that idea. While researching up on Billy
Meier it is his belief that at death the "you" or the "I" or the
"me" dies. This would seem to make sense to me and fall in line
with the idea that the "you" and the brain are intertwined and
cannot function solely on its own.
[/quote]I'm telling you as a spirit, you can imagine almost
anything and make it true. If you believe you need your brain to
do anything, then that's the way you will operate.
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Re: Power of prayer
By: Kerry Date: December 18, 2013, 11:40 pm
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[quote author=coldwar link=topic=656.msg6457#msg6457
date=1387403663]
Much much stronger than what I'm used to, no question. Many
mental health professionals are now saying that the Pot
available today is far stronger than it used to be, and that
it's causing Schizophrenia in teens who use it. Could it be
what's behind things like school shootings and the like? People
who are pro-cannabis are always saying that nobody ever gets
violent while high on Pot, in comparison to alcohol, but perhaps
they're not taking into account the escalation of mental health
problems that seem to be taking over the youth of our society.
???[/quote]Most of the school shootings involve legal prescribed
drugs. My take on that is that we aren't being responsible
for our actions or even our own feelings. People aren't
teaching their children how to relate to other people. If their
children are emotionally troubled, they get pills, and the pills
don't fix anything.
I'd say people get on drugs because of stress and other things;
and as long as reality is unpleasant, they want to stay on the
drugs. I think the real problem is cultural -- and we're
trying to blame drugs and chemical imbalances in the brain.
It's known -- from Scientology and from one study in mice too
-- that if you're painkillers, your body doesn't heal as fast.
Yet doctors pump out the painkillers to people. Painkillers
serve a useful purpose; but feeling a little pain is also
useful. If the spirit-body connection is broken, the spirit
doesn't feel the pain; but it also isn't taking charge and
giving the orders to heal. So it remains detached; and when
the painkillers wear off and the pain starts to be felt again,
the spirit says it's time for more painkillers. I had a
friend (a Scientologist at that) who got addicted to opiates and
stayed addicted until he moved and his new doctor cut back the
dosage and then cut him off. His body healed when he started
tapering off. It hadn't healed when he was hooked on the
opiates.
[quote]As for this drastic effect on me, my theory is that I
have the Neuro-stimulator going - possibly a bad mix with
cannabis? Too bad I wasn't able to shut it off, especially as
this was supposed to be an experiment to see if cannabis would
help my dystonia symptoms. But I didn't have my controller with
me, so that's a moot point. I'd like to try it again, but with a
much lower potency - the good old green dry leafy kind we used
to get in the '70's, if it even still exists. And of course, I'd
have my controller with me to shut the Stimulator off.
[/quote]My guess -- and it's only a guess -- is that you aren't
pinpointing the exact location of the dystonia as it moves
around. The neurons in the brain correspond to parts in the
body -- and if you aren't matching them up right, then what?
It would be like trying to play a guitar and plucking the wrong
string. That's a crude analogy but it seems to me there could
be a problem with identifying things in space and then having
input and output through the correct neurons in the brain.
Most pain is resisted -- we say we don't want to have it.
We're apt to shift its location at times. Tooth pain especially
can get moved around and around. When the body is shifting
things around like that and the spirit is not sure where the
pain is really coming from, the spirit cannot solve the
problem.
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Re: Power of prayer
By: Kerry Date: December 19, 2013, 12:04 am
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[quote author=George M. C. Jr. link=topic=656.msg6458#msg6458
date=1387410022]
Interesting experience you had coldwar. I am a firm believer in
the idea that pot has a lot more beneficial factors than
negative. I have been a chronic smoker for about twenty years,
until just recently. I decided in around July to quit smoking to
see if I felt any better, and because it was the only way I was
going to get a descent Job since the construction business has
basically come to a halt. I think I was over doing it for sure
and anything done in excess becomes harmful. Since I have quit I
have felt better physically; but as far as mentally I cant tell
a positive difference, I may have even been more mentally stable
when I smoked as well as creative and open minded. If it wasn't
for the random drug testing that the company I am currently
working for has I would certainly love to start back smoking but
with limitations. I literally smoked from the moment I woke up
to the moment I went to sleep, every day all day. It didn't
matter what I had going on I was smoking. I would think that you
just consumed to much, considering that it had been so long
since you had previously partook in that activity. Along with
the fact that the quality is far better you basically just over
did it. I would bet that if you just hit the joint one time and
let it take its affect, it would help you tremendously as well
as I would imagine you would enjoy it. Eventually one puff would
turn into two and then three in order to reach that feeling; but
if you could control and limit your intake, my money is on you
would enjoy life even more than you do now. Again I am a firm
advocate of pot and the legalization of it, so I am definitely
partial to the side of the argument that pot is a good thing.
I'm sure there are others who would completely disagree. I would
wonder though how much experience does the apposing argument
party have compared to my experience with it.
[/quote]What about reality? The very essence of smoking pot for
pleasure is based on unreality. "I want to feel good even
though I have nothing to feel good about." This is like
religion that makes people feel good about themselves or about
life without really doing anything real. Marx was not too
wrong when he said religion is the opiate of the masses.
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Re: Power of prayer
By: George Date: December 19, 2013, 7:03 pm
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=656.msg6460#msg6460
date=1387427334]
Does it seem reasonable to try to understand how prayer works
before you understand how your own body works? Perhaps running
your body is a type of miracle.
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For that matter why understand anything before understanding how
our body works? I would say that there are very few if any that
truly know with full understanding of how our bodies work. Would
you say that you know 100% how the body works?
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=656.msg6460#msg6460
date=1387427334]
But what changes at the exact second the urge to move gets so
strong you get up and move?
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I would say reason. I think there is reason behind all action or
lack of action.
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=656.msg6462#msg6462
date=1387433059]
What about reality? The very essence of smoking pot for
pleasure is based on unreality. "I want to feel good even
though I have nothing to feel good about." This is like
religion that makes people feel good about themselves or about
life without really doing anything real. Marx was not too
wrong when he said religion is the opiate of the masses.
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From my experience smoking pot has little change on actual
reality. Now there are cases such as coldwars experience when
someone in my opinion over does it and it affects there reality.
This wasn't a pleasurable experience though. I think if smoked
within limitation it enhances reality, it makes pleasure even
more pleasurable, if one loves music it seems to make the music
that much better. Or if one loves chocolate it makes it that
much more desirable. Similar to adding seasoning to food.
Potatoes are good, add butter and salt and its that much better.
Does it make it wrong to add butter and salt? I would say no.
The only way I see it becoming a problem is if one became
dependent on pot, if one cannot enjoy life unless they are
smoking. Yet I think that is a vary rare occasion for someone to
be dependent on pot. I wouldn't say I was dependent on pot when
I was smoking, I never felt like without it I couldn't function
or enjoy things. Compare that to eating the potatoes, one could
eat the potatoes if they were starving and there was no salt or
butter; but if there is salt and butter available, why not add
it?
To me there are a lot of things in life that are this way, we
add all types of enhancements to all sorts of things that we do.
I love music, so I buy a large speaker and an amplifier to play
the music loader. Women are beautiful yet they wear makeup to
enhance there beauty. Men cut there hair or grow there hair,
shave or don't shave, we all do something to enhance what we
like or enjoy. To me pot is in the same category, unlike pain
pills. people become addicted to pain pills, without them they
cannot function, they cant eat, they cant even get out of the
bed until the get there fix. Like heroin or crack, there are
certain substances that take control and people become dependent
on them. Pot doesn't seem to me to be that way, not from my
experience.
Then there are the beneficial effects of pot. there are many
things even in the medical field that pot is good for, people
suffering from loss of appetite due to chemo therapy have been
proven to gain there appetite after smoking pot for example. Ive
even seen in studies where it was claimed that smoking pot had
many cancer fighting benefits associated with it, more so than
even consuming the plant by means of eating it. It was said that
when eating it the body processes it differently and destroys
many of the cancer fighting substances that one receives when
smoking it. Its claimed that smoking pot is good for the eyes
and many other things.
Tobacco is more of a dependent substance than pot in my opinion,
I was able to give up pot; but cigarettes is a battle. I am not
even sure what it is about cigarettes that I enjoy, yet I can't
just put them down. Do you think cigarettes change reality, or
have any effect on reality? Why do you think people smoke
cigarettes?
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