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Men love darkness.
By: James Date: September 15, 2013, 4:17 am
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Communicating with God easy or hard?
Of late I have been aware that I fall into bed at night after a
day of saying I just need to get this done and then I can spend
time with God, "I need to maintain my relationship with the
Lord"
The truth of the matter is .....I can't maintain my relationship
with God, you can not maintain yours either. I could not
establish a relationship with the Lord in the first place so how
come now I have one think I am qualified or capable of
maintaining one, just a second let me go back an read that
again, did I say now I have one.
Well it does not feel like it was!
God does not hide from us we do from him, Gen 3:9 And the LORD
God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10And
he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid,
because I was naked; and I hid myself.
God has not hidden himself I have sort the darkness of the
forest, I have decided to hid behind other mens lives to cover
my own sin. Why, because my deeds are evil John 3: 19And this is
the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men
loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
I might not think that I have sinned or that my deeds are evil
but that is how things are in the purity of Gods love.
All these things I think I need to do, I really do not. What I
need is to find some place to be quiet, to let my life become
quiet , to let my mind become quiet to be still and let He who
has formed a relationship in me pray through me to the Father.
For this is true Phil 1:6Being confident of this very thing,
that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it
until the day of Jesus Christ:
James
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Re: Men love darkness.
By: Runner Date: September 15, 2013, 10:54 am
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[quote]Communicating with God easy or hard?[/quote]
Interesting, that word communicating.
...the activity of conveying information through the exchange of
thoughts, messages, or information, as by speech, visuals,
signals, writing..
It can't be done without the sharing of time together!
Is that why we don't have as much communication with God as we
think we would like?
i.e. because we believe that what we are doing daily is more
important and just MUST be done 'now' and first, and then we
don't find that we have as much time left over for communication
with God?
We are the choosers, so it must come down to choice!
humm
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Re: Men love darkness.
By: Kerry Date: September 16, 2013, 5:04 pm
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I think God does hide Himself and things from us. The question
for me is finding a good reason.
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but
the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
If we take advantage of the opportunity to search things out,
God can then consider us honorable. God would be wrong to love
us if we were utterly worthless creatures incapable of acting
honorably; so it pleases Him if we do things right because then
He was right to create us and right to love us all along. His
purpose, hidden while we were in sin and ignorance, was not yet
revealed. Look around at the world. If this is the way
people will always be, I'd have to agree with Satan that God did
a bad job of it and his creation of man was a big mistake.
Solomon also said God dwells in darkness.
2 Chronicles 6:1 Then said Solomon, The Lord hath said that he
would dwell in the thick darkness.
There is doctrine in that, I think, meaning man's nature is dark
but God still dwells in it.
Then we find:
7:1 Now when Solomon had made an end of praying, the fire came
down from heaven, and consumed the burnt offering and the
sacrifices; and the glory of the Lord filled the house.
You're right, James, that men hide from God but they're also
hiding from themselves. Facing that darkness! Abraham built
his altar facing west towards the setting sun. Abraham was
also overtaken by a horror of the darkness. Jacob had his
experience at night. God is there in the darkness, yes,
waiting to be revealed.
Were God to reveal too much of Himself to the impure, I believe
they would be consumed by seeing too much too soon. Their
feelings of unworthiness would inspire such guilt and
condemnation, they'd go out of existence. So I see it as an
act of Mercy for God to hide Himself, content with allowing us
to approach by degrees. Think of how Israel was told to behave
at Sinai. Moses alone went all the way up. Joshua went part of
the way. Then the priests, then others and finally the rest of
the people.
But you're right -- the problem lies with us. It's guilt and
condemnation that creates the separation. The "lie" is that we
are unworthy. When we believe that, we feel guilt and
condemnation. If we refuse to believe it, we get over the past,
learn from it and don't repeat our mistakes. We are made in the
image and likeness of God; and the sooner we accept that fact,
the better it is for us. All this other stuff we see in the
world is just people pretending to be unworthy, pretending to be
abject hopeless sinners -- people under the delusion of Satan.
If we see our fellow man as worthless, what does that say about
our opinion of God who made him? Men may love darkness; but
eventually they'll have to come to terms with the truth. We
are all made in the image of God. People need to get used to it
and stop pretending to be devils.
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Re: Men love darkness.
By: George Date: September 16, 2013, 8:28 pm
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While the scripture says man was made in the likeness and image
of God, is it not true that individuals choose to act in a
sinful likeness? If that is true, how then can one not look at
another as worthless or even devilish?
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Re: Men love darkness.
By: Kerry Date: September 17, 2013, 5:55 am
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[quote author=George M. C. Jr. link=topic=607.msg6014#msg6014
date=1379381326]
While the scripture says man was made in the likeness and image
of God, is it not true that individuals choose to act in a
sinful likeness? If that is true, how then can one not look at
another as worthless or even devilish?
[/quote]How we look at others says more about us than about
them. If you know that all the naughty things you ever did
were the result of . . . <fill in the blank>, then you suspect
all the naughty things other people do are the result of the
same thing.
When Jesus said our sins are not forgiven unless we forgive
others, that is not something God imposes on us. We impose it
on ourselves. If we can see why we deserve to be forgiven for
something, we can forgive others for the same thing. If we
can't forgive them, it really means we still have a problem with
it.
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Re: Men love darkness.
By: James Date: October 4, 2013, 3:18 am
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Can we boil all problems down, the two great wars not to mention
all those in the past over religion. World events and manifest
evil, can we boil it all down to "I don't believe God really
loves me".
I know he loves me, I can read that in the bible and hear it
preached every Sunday, read it in daily notes and devotional
helps, but knowing is that the same as believing?
Maybe it should be the other way round 'do I really know God
loves me', if I did I would not fear to come to the light , I
would confess "yes Lord it was me I did it" and I would then
know I was clean in his sight.
Is it that simple?
No need for delving into obscure scriptures, no more debate over
the original Greek or who wrote what, just seek to be still in
his love.
If that's it how do we accomplish it?
Just wait for Him to do it in us?
James
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