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Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: Runner Date: September 25, 2013, 6:55 pm
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[quote]quote meshak...
You don't seem to know how to read His commandments. I am using
computer to tell the world about Christianity. [/quote]
Right now, with everything within me...I feel very sorry for
you. If you believe that what you call "Christianity" is a
message worth spreading, you are very greatly confused.
I am sorry, but I have to really wonder if you know at all Who
Jesus IS...because the Jesus 'you' say you serve, is for sure
NOT the Jesus that is preached in the N.T. especially from Acts
to Revelation!!!
Your confusion make me sad for you and your family.
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Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: meshak Date: September 25, 2013, 8:17 pm
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=604.msg6083#msg6083
date=1380153316]
[quote]quote meshak...
You don't seem to know how to read His commandments. I am using
computer to tell the world about Christianity. [/quote]
Right now, with everything within me...I feel very sorry for
you. If you believe that what you call "Christianity" is a
message worth spreading, you are very greatly confused.
I am sorry, but I have to really wonder if you know at all Who
Jesus IS...because the Jesus 'you' say you serve, is for sure
NOT the Jesus that is preached in the N.T. especially from Acts
to Revelation!!!
Your confusion make me sad for you and your family.
[/quote]
I feel sorry for you because you don't know Jesus and why Jesus
was sent to be our lamb. Jesus was sent to us to teach us how
to be godly and holy and peace loving.
God's kingdom is all about love and peace, holy and
righteousness.
Jesus expects His followers to be perfect by not being
hypocrites with their witnessing. If we are hypocrites, we
cannot spread Jesus.
Love is not just not offending anyone. Jesus offended many
people. Regardless, we have responsibility to love one another
by being righteous.
We reject Jesus' teachings because we are so selfish and dont
have much of consideration, love for others. The world is filled
with hatred, never ending war proves it.
Lukewarm Christianity is abound and this is the main source of
hypocrisy.
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Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: Kerry Date: September 25, 2013, 11:18 pm
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[quote author=meshak link=topic=604.msg6082#msg6082
date=1380147776]
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=604.msg6078#msg6078
date=1380124917]
How are you on the internet? You have a computer? Sell it.
[/quote]
You don't seem to know how to read His commandments. I am using
computer to tell the world about Christianity. Without computer
I cannot do it. What you are doing is desperate attempt to
insult me personally.[/quote]Wrong. He said sell everything you
have and give the money to the poor. How can you witness for
Jesus if you disobey his commandments? Then you say you must
disobey him in order to tell the world about him. Does that
make sense?
[quote][quote]Give up your house and all your family, including
your children.[/quote]
How is that going to be loving by abandoning my
family?[/quote]Stop being selfish and thinking about yourself.
Trust Jesus to take care of them if they need taking care of.
[quote][quote][b]Mark 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily
I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or
brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or
children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses,
and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands,
with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
[/quote]
Agains what Jesus is saying is that Jesus comes first for His
followers. Parents have responsibility to raise their children
as they shoud go so they become faithful servants. If other
people including your family member reject Jesus, His followers
should separate themselves from them instead of accommodating
them.
You don't seem to know how to apply or practice what He teaches
and commands.[/quote]I know how to read, and it doesn't say if
they reject Jesus to separate yourself. Can children reject
Jesus? Can houses and lands? You're making things up by
adding that to justify yourself.
[quote][quote]You can then go to the public library to get
online; and when you join a forum and they don't accept your
message, leave that forum. Don't wait for them to ban you, just
leave instead of remaining and fighting.[/quote]
You need to get rid of your bitterness just became you don't
like what I have to say. It is becoming, friend.[/quote]Who's
bitter? I think you're mentally ill. Why would I be bitter
about that? No, I feel sorry for you. I pray for you. I urge
everyone here to pray for you.
[quote][quote]Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you,
nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under
your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you,
It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of
judgment, than for that city.[/quote]
I will spread as much as I can. Forum can reach out to world
wide.[/quote]But why not obey what Jesus said about it? Why
wait for others to ban you? Why get into arguments at forums
with people and get them annoyed? If they reject you, leave.
Obey Jesus. But you don't do that. You seem to enjoy vexing
others and keep it up until they ban you. You even think
you're annoying me. You think I'm bitter. No, I think you're
delusional -- mentally off. If we met in person, perhaps we
could talk better. You could tell I wasn't angry.
[quote][quote]If someone gives you enough money, go buy a sword.
Not a gun. No need to join the military, but buy a
sword.[/quote]
What His followers could do with two swords?????[/quote]One is
enough to stab someone to death or take off his head if you get
a sharp one. Jesus said two were enough. One would be enough
for you since you're one person.
[quote][quote]Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he
that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and
he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy
one.[/quote]
Read the above.[/quote]Did you buy it yet?
[quote][quote]Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send
peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.[/quote]
Jesus is talking about spiritual battle. Take look at this
forum alone. You are fighting against me who is working for
Jesus.[/quote]Peace on earth is an earthly affair. Duh! Jesus
did not come to establish peace on this on this earth. Come
now, don't pretend to be so stupid you can't understand this.
Who's fighting? If we were truly fighting, I'd get a sword and
kill you and you'd stand there and let me do it. All we are
doing here is using words, and according to you using words
isn't sinful. The only violence you see as sinful if using
physical violence.
Look at this forum? You can't see the entire forum. What you
see is what the public sees. There is a section for people who
don't cause trouble. If you had been able to talk to people
without causing friction, you could see it and read it and would
have been invited to join in the conversations there.
[quote][quote]Why bother calling yourself a Christian if you
can't do these things?
[/quote]
read the above. You need to get rid of your bitterness against
Jesus' noble and high standards.[/quote]
I read everything you wrote and see no reason given for your
disobedience.
[quote]blessings.[/quote]Blessings?
James 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and
cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
If you enjoy playing the victim and fantasizing that you're
engaging in spiritual warfare, say so. I think getting banned
may be your goal. Yes, I think you may enjoy getting banned and
feeling like a victim. That's one reason not to ban you. I
don't believe in feeding people's delusions. My goal is to get
you to relax and start behaving like a real person. I think
you need to learn how to understand other people.
Yes, I think that's it. I don't think you ever had anyone care
enough about you that he or she was willing to die to protect
you from harm. You don't understand the kind of love where
someone would be willing to die for you to protect you. Study
animals. Study mother cats. If you try to harm the kittens of
a mother cat, you'll have a big fight on your hands. It doesn't
matter to that mother cat how big you are, she'll fight you to
the death if need be to try to protect her kittens. It works
too. Male cats who know this leave her and her kittens alone.
They have nothing to fear from either the kittens or the mother
cat if they respect her devotion to her kittens.
And I feel sorry for you since I am convinced no one has ever
loved you that much. If someone had loved you that much, you'd
understand it and see it as a good thing, not something to be
feared or something sinful.
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Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: Kerry Date: September 25, 2013, 11:50 pm
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Deuteronomy said it first and Jesus quoted it: "Man shall not
live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of
the mouth of God." Meshak says we can ignore the Old
Testament. We should accept only the passages she approves of.
Forget the Old Testament. Forget Paul and Peter, James and
John. Meshak's version of of the Gospel is that man lives by
not going to war. Avoid war, and you will inherit eternal
life. You can even ignore the other commandments given by
Jesus.
I say that is a cheap version of the Gospel and a corrupt
version. While I admit there are problems with the texts and
even errors, I don't buy into the idea that we should throw out
a passage just because it doesn't suit us. No, when a passage
is hard and seems to conflict with our ideas, that's when we
should take it seriously. Perhaps we're wrong and can be
corrected. How could Scripture teach us or correct us if we
reject it because it says something that disagrees with what we
believe?
I know -- yes, I know -- if I am willing to die myself to
protect the innocent, I am loving my neighbor as myself. If I
kill a guilty person, I am not doing to him anything I am not
willing to have happen to me. I have the right to kill him if
I am willing to be killed myself.
John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as
I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his
life for his friends.
Do I really have that right? Yes, I claim I do. And I'm
willing to pay the price for it too. There may be a price, but
I'll pay it. It may require me being led into captivity. It
may require me being killed by the sword. So be it.
Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into
captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with
the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Was it worth it for Israel to sojourn in Egypt in bondage? I
say it was. When they left Egypt, many Egyptians also left
with them. Many souls were added to Israel.
If I see an adult about to sin greatly against a child, making
that child stumble spiritually, and if I kill that adult before
he can sin that way, I've done him a favor by taking "guilt"
onto myself that I can bear instead of allowing him to incur
guilt.
Mark 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones
that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were
hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
Who would dare to kill someone because it would be better for
him to be killed? Yet if you loved enough, you would do it.
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Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: meshak Date: September 26, 2013, 6:16 am
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=604.msg6086#msg6086
date=1380171045]
Deuteronomy said it first and Jesus quoted it: "Man shall not
live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of
the mouth of God." Meshak says we can ignore the Old
Testament. [/quote]
I did not say that. but Jesus corrected many of OT practice and
we need to know the basic principle how He corrected it.
Most main streamers are picking and choosing to justify their
wrongful practice, like justify to kill your enemy because OT
people destroyed unfaithful ones.
Please be fair in judgements.
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Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: meshak Date: September 26, 2013, 6:27 am
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Readers:
Most of us, yes including me, who are living in so called "free
world" will have to pay for our comfortable way of living
because there are tons of starving people all over the world.
Jesus is concerned of those people greatly. He died because of
our self- centered way of living.
We are giving them left overs after preserving our luxurious
life style. I know most of us will we are not living
luxuriously but it is only our lame excuse. And we fight to
secure our wealthy life style.
PS: Members of this board, please don't come to me I should go
to starving country. Jesus put me where I should be and you
don't own this country. God owns the whole world.
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Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: Kerry Date: September 26, 2013, 6:33 am
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[quote author=meshak link=topic=604.msg6088#msg6088
date=1380194196]
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=604.msg6086#msg6086
date=1380171045]
Deuteronomy said it first and Jesus quoted it: "Man shall not
live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of
the mouth of God." Meshak says we can ignore the Old
Testament. [/quote]
I did not say that. but Jesus corrected many of OT practice and
we need to know the basic principle how He corrected it.
Most main streamers are picking and choosing to justify their
wrongful practice, like justify to kill your enemy because OT
people destroyed unfaithful ones.
Please be fair in judgements.
[/quote]That's even worse. Now you're saying the saints in the
Old Testament were sinners. And they were stupid and didn't
know anything, so Jesus had to come along and correct them.
That's not what Jesus said about it. He quoted Moses, saying
man shall live by every word. But you say, "Oh, not every word
because people in the Old Testament had things wrong."
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth
pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled.
Have heaven and earth passed? No? Then do not say Jesus was
correcting things that people got wrong.
Did David have this wrong?
Psalm 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul:
the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
If the law was perfect, why would Jesus need to fix it?
So whom should we believe? Moses and the prophets and Jesus who
quoted them, or Meshak who thinks she knows more than all of
them together?
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Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: Kerry Date: September 26, 2013, 12:53 pm
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[quote author=meshak link=topic=604.msg6089#msg6089
date=1380194863]
Readers:
Most of us, yes including me, who are living in so called "free
world" will have to pay for our comfortable way of living
because there are tons of starving people all over the world.
Jesus is concerned of those people greatly. He died because of
our self- centered way of living.[/quote]What's Jesus waiting
for then? Why doesn't he do something for them?
[quote]We are giving them left overs after preserving our
luxurious life style. I know most of us will we are not living
luxuriously but it is only our lame excuse. And we fight to
secure our wealthy life style.[/quote]I'd say wars cost a lot of
money. The days of invading a country and making it a colony
seem to be over. That used to be a way of making money since
wars didn't cost as much years ago.
[quote]PS: Members of this board, please don't come to me I
should go to starving country. Jesus put me where I should be
and you don't own this country. God owns the whole
world.[/quote]
It's hard to preach the Gospel to the entire world if you say
Jesus put you where you should be and you aren't moving.
Luke 10:2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is
great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of
the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his
harvest.
3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man
by the way.
You remain unwilling to give up much, don't you?
Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or
brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or
children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an
hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
That couldn't mean you. Jesus gave you what you have, so that
must mean he means for you to have it while others don't. As
long as you're not fighting in a war to take from others, you're
okay with Jesus? That's what you say. That's not what he
said.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for
the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty,
and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye
clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we
thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick,
or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did
it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the
righteous into life eternal.
I would not advise anyone to sit around waiting for Jesus to
come to fix all the problems of the world. He expects us to
work at it ourselves. How can we call ourselves his servants
if we expect him to do all the work?
What would you like Jesus to do? Answer that question and then
go out and try to work at it yourself.
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Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: George Date: September 26, 2013, 6:05 pm
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[quote author=meshak link=topic=604.msg6089#msg6089
date=1380194863]
He died because of our self- centered way of living.
[/quote]
I believe you are mistaken. That is not what the scripture say.
John 11:47-51
King James Version (KJV)
47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council,
and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and
the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that
same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should
die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that
year, he prophesied that [b]Jesus should die for that
nation;[/b]
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Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: Kerry Date: September 27, 2013, 5:54 am
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[quote author=George M. C. Jr. link=topic=604.msg6092#msg6092
date=1380236719]
[quote author=meshak link=topic=604.msg6089#msg6089
date=1380194863]
He died because of our self- centered way of living.
[/quote]
I believe you are mistaken. That is not what the scripture
say.[/quote]
I think she would benefit from reading other parts of the Bible.
She's close to something here. If only she could piece things
together a little. I don't see much point in complaining about
wars; as long as the causes of war are there, we will have wars.
The solution is to fix the causes, and on this Meshak is close
to a truth. The causes of war are our lusts.
James 4:1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come
they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
And our governments cater to our lusts. The nations can never
agree about a problem area like Syria or Somalia or any other
place. Each country wants what is "best" for its people even
it that is hurtful to people in other countries.
Take the conflict in Syria. I'm praying that gets resolved
soon; but I doubt it will be. There's too much money at stake;
and no one seems willing to be honest about it. Russia is
buddies with Syria because of the proposed gas pipeline. If
Gazprom (the big oil and gas company) can build that pipeline
through Syria, Russia will control all the gas that has been
discovered in Israel and other places to the south. If things
get too bad in Syria or the regime changes to one which doesn't
like Russia, Gazprom would lose billions and billions. Turkey
would like to have it. There is talk about going across the sea
too over Cyprus.
Gaprom also had its eyes on Cyprus earlier, offering to lend it
billions to handle its debt crisis if Gazprom got drilling,
extraction and other rights. In other words, a company wanted
to run the country of Cyprus. While the EU countries didn't
like bailing Cyprus out, they would surely have been alarmed if
Cyprus had agreed.
The question I ask is why Obama was so gung-ho about taking
military action. I have to wonder if his buddy Nadhmi Auchi
has a hand in some proposed Mediterranean deal. You don't
remember Auchi? The billionaire Obama said he never met when we
know he did?
What I do not buy is that Obama had hard evidence that Assad had
used poison gas. I believe there was evidence someone had; but
was it Assad? Why jump to conclusions so fast? Would it be
worth it? Do we remember how we got in the Vietnam War with the
Gulf of Tonkin Resolution? Years later, we found out it was
based on a lie. Things hadn't happened as Congress and the
American people were told.
I also ask this question. If people in the USA were trying to
overthrow our government and another country sent the rebels
guns and money and sent people to train them in warfare, what
would we call that? I'd call it supporting terrorism. Yes,
I'd say that government was supporting terrorism; but the Obama
administration has already done those things. While it tells
the American people they have no legitimate use for assault
rifles, they were glad to send assault rifles to the Syrian
rebels.
Then of course, other countries were happy to send arms and
money to Assad or to the rebels, depending on which side they
favored. I say every country that does this is not helping
solve the problem. If the UN could get things done and hold
votes where one or two countries couldn't veto things, the
world could have voted on this. Threatening Assad with a
massive invasion would have stopped him; or threatening the
rebels by saying the world was going to support Assad would have
ended this conflict.
I rely on the Chinese book, The Art of War, for the best theory
of war. When two armies face each other, there is no need to
kill each other. The smaller army can see it would lose and
the best thing to do is leave. If the bigger army is led by a
good and clever general, he allows the smaller army to leave.
By being generous, he does not arouse hatred. That reminds me
of how generous George Washington was in treating the enemy. At
one point he had some prisoners that needed to be moved; and he
was having trouble getting them where they needed to be. He
asked them if they would go by themselves part of the way
without an escort. He had treated them so well, they did not
fear him; and they said they would go by themselves. Sounds
crazy? But they did it. They marched by themselves to their
new prison and handed themselves over. Washington had treated
them honorably and with dignity; and they behaved that way.
It is wise to behave so in war since if your enemy knows you
will treat him kindly if he surrenders, he'd rather surrender
than fight it out with you and get killed. So you get the
biggest army you can with no plan of killing anyone with it.
If the UN could do this, we would see the end of wars; but as
long as one country has the power to veto resolutions of the
Security Council, I don't see the end of wars. Every country
pursues its own agenda; and Russia's agenda is fairly clear. It
has already made billions from oil and gas and is poised to make
billions more. It practically has the resources largely
untapped so far in Central Asia under its control. And the more
money Russia makes, the more they spend on their military.
My best guess is that Obama was trying to curb Russia's income
and thus curb their military spending by threatening Assad.
The belief that America can restrain Russia's military build up
by attacking their financial interests is misguided. All that
does is convince the "enemy" that he needs his military more
than ever. And eventually things tend to spin out of control
with someone deciding it's time to use their military to protect
their financial interests.
Well, the bloom may be off that rose. Most Americans didn't
buy Obama's story and opposed a unilateral action. We are no
longer believing something just because the President says it.
A recent poll
HTML http://today.yougov.com/news/2013/09/25/americans-doubt-obamas-effectiveness-syria/<br
/>had more Americans saying Putin behaved better than Obama. It
wasn't even close -- 49% for Putin to 25% for Obama.
As much as I dislike and distrust Putin, I'd have to say he
behaved more like an adult than Obama who looked like a
warmonger to me. I saw talk, talk, talk from Obama -- but no
evidence. If he had the evidence that Assad used poison gas,
why not produce it? And yes, I also despise Assad. His father
was responsible for many horrible things. One of my friends is
from Lebanon but his ancestral home is a town in Syria -- it's
the town the former Assad wiped off the map. My friend said
they paved areas of the town after razing it; but you could see
body parts in places coming up out of the pavement.
But will it be over if Assad is booted out? Not at all. The
rebels will then start fighting each other. I say it's because
the UN is run the way it is, allowing the "Big Five" to veto
resolutions. America, Russia and China can protect their
puppets. No one wants to give up that power.
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