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Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: meshak Date: September 23, 2013, 8:34 am
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Jesus' servants have responsibility to present Him as what He
is. What most churches are doing is evil because they are
misrepresenting Him.
I go to Okinawa for evangelism every November for three weeks.
Some people ask me why Christians use God's name and engaging in
war. I have to explain to them that the military and war are
not Jesus idea.
You see, pagans knows God more than so called "Christians".
Shame on you people mocking Christian who are actually working
for Jesus.
You are not mocking me but Jesus.
blessings.
#Post#: 6069--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: Kerry Date: September 23, 2013, 1:17 pm
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Don't confuse yourself with Jesus. You are not Jesus. You
have read the Bible or parts of it; but that doesn't mean you
know the Mind of God. You have your ideas. You are not Jesus.
You even ignore some things he said if they don't agree with
your ideas.
The next time you visit Okinawa, ask them if they would prefer
to be living in a regime run by the Japanese military with a
figurehead Emperor who is worshiped as a god. Do they regret
the ending of the plans of the Japanese military to take over as
much of the world as possible? What do they think Christian
nations should have done, let the Japanese armies and navies
conquer them without resisting? They don't like the democracy
they have in Okinawa today?
What if China wanted to invade them? Should Christian nations
stand by and let the Japanese and Chinese fight it out? Who
would win that one? Well, if China ever decides to invade,
maybe no one will help the people on Okinawa. We'll all be
good Christians and let it happen while telling Jesus how great
we are for not getting our hands dirty.
#Post#: 6071--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: Runner Date: September 23, 2013, 3:31 pm
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Good post Kerry.
meshak I somehow think you have misunderstood what the Christian
calling is.
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the
world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end
come .
Gospel mean GOOD NEWS. I don't get the impression that you are
much of a one for spreading good news, but only of beating a
drum saying how bad your BROTHER Christians are!! Hopefully I
am wrong about that.
I also don't feel any joyfulness coming through from you. Your
faith and belief in the Victory of Jesus and the cross , seems
to bring you more worry than joy.
Worry that everyone else is not getting your important message.
Why don't you "rest" as the scriptures say, and pray more for
your fellow Christians brethren.
I personally do not find "your important message" being one that
flows through the scriptures!! It is hardly a message that Jesus
told His disciples to take to the world.
HE SAID
Mark 16:15
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the
gospel to every creature." = GOOD NEWS.
Matt 10. 7 "And as ye go , preach , saying , 'The kingdom of
heaven is at hand . 8 Heal the sick , cleanse the lepers, raise
the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received , freely
give." THIS the good news of the Kingdom.
You seem a little preoccupied by " other things".
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Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: meshak Date: September 25, 2013, 10:00 am
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=604.msg6069#msg6069
date=1379960242]
Don't confuse yourself with Jesus. You are not Jesus. [/quote]
Jesus commands us:
"go therefore, make disciples of all nations... teaching them to
obey everything I have commanded you."
Why do you not obey His commands? Why do you even bother to
call yourselves Christians if you don't do what He commands you?
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Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: meshak Date: September 25, 2013, 10:08 am
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=604.msg6071#msg6071
date=1379968268]
[size=12pt]
Gospel mean GOOD NEWS. I don't get the impression that you are
much of a one for spreading good news, but only of beating a
drum saying how bad your BROTHER Christians are!! Hopefully I
am wrong about that.[/quote]
Yes, I am spreading Jesus' true messages, not sugarcoated ones
which most mainstream churches are spreading.
What they are doing is misrepresenting Jesus with their corrupt
practice. Why do you refuse to see the ugly reality of their
hypocritical witnessing after I explained behind my messages?
Jesus is not war monger nor hypocrite but that's kind of savior
you are presenting to the world. What is joyful about it? It is
just plain evil.
#Post#: 6078--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: Kerry Date: September 25, 2013, 11:01 am
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Why don't you obey all Jesus' commandments instead of telling
others to do what you don't?
How are you on the internet? You have a computer? Sell it.
Luke 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him,
Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and
distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in
heaven: and come, follow me.
Give up your house and all your family, including your children.
Mark 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you,
There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters,
or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my
sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses,
and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands,
with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
You can then go to the public library to get online; and when
you join a forum and they don't accept your message, leave that
forum. Don't wait for them to ban you, just leave instead of
remaining and fighting.
Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you,
when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a
testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more
tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than
for that city.
If someone gives you enough money, go buy a sword. Not a gun.
No need to join the military, but buy a sword.
Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a
purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath
no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Why bother calling yourself a Christian if you can't do these
things?
#Post#: 6079--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: Kerry Date: September 25, 2013, 12:01 pm
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Here is another sermon for the people of Okinawa.
Most people do not care about something unless it affects them.
Thus people who aren't concerned about gun violence suddenly
"get religion" about guns when they get shot or when someone
they love gets shot. Then all of a sudden, because it hurts
them, they get converted to the idea and seem to get obsessed
with it. Some of them go around giving speeches, hoping to
bring others around to their way of thinking. They are still
being self-centered, expecting others to care about it because
they do.
The people of Okinawa are being silly about this. The American
people never asked why people with the Shinto religion decided
to bomb Pearl Harbor. We didn't blame the religion of the
Japanese people. What the people in Okinawa see is the last
military presence on their island. It's American and Americans
are Christians, so they blur reality and confuse the two.
Do the "good" people of Okinawa care at all about the people
being killed by Islamic terrorists? They're killing people in
Kenya, with the terrorists from Somalia crossing over to attack
innocent people in Kenya. THe bloody incident in the mall
should horrify us all. Do they care about the bombing of
churches by terrorists? Do they care about Christians in
Pakistan being killed in their churches by bombs?
Do the people of Okinawa know about the world or care?
Christians are fleeing for the lives from Syria, Egypt, Iraq and
Afghanistan. There are no churches left in Afghanistan. Not
one.
Do the people of Okinawa know enough about history to know how
atheist governments killed millions in the 20th century?
Communism is a recent thing; but in less than a hundred years,
they probably killed more people than Christians did in the
previous 1900.
What the people of Okinawa seem to know is what affects them, so
they want to talk about the evils of Christianity. They are
callous and indifferent to the suffering of others by the larger
threats of Communism and Islamic terrorism.
Perhaps they should also be told that Christianity is
responsible for eliminating human sacrifice around the world
where it existed before the "evil warlike Christians" arrived.
I guess the people of Okinawa would rather have Mexicans still
cutting out the hearts of living people than risk a war. Or have
people throwing virgins into volcanoes to placate the gods. If
people in India want to burn widows alive, fine. If followers
of Kali want to slit people's throats, that's fine too.
I don't know what's wrong with Okinawa, but something is. I'm
surprised the Japanese wanted it back. They keep spending
millions (maybe billions) trying to build it up, but nothing
seems to happen. Perhaps Japan wants it so China can't get it
and put military bases on it.
It's completely crazy to blame Christianity for wars. Nuts.
Should I list all the places in the world being attacked by
radical Islamists? I can look it up at Wikipedia. I read the
article once that dealt with all the current wars in the world.
Most of them involved radical Islamists -- and they're not real
Muslims. I don't blame Islam.
#Post#: 6080--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: Kerry Date: September 25, 2013, 2:51 pm
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[quote author=meshak link=topic=604.msg6077#msg6077
date=1380121707]
[quote author=Helen link=topic=604.msg6071#msg6071
date=1379968268]
[size=12pt]
Gospel mean GOOD NEWS. I don't get the impression that you are
much of a one for spreading good news, but only of beating a
drum saying how bad your BROTHER Christians are!! Hopefully I
am wrong about that.[/quote]
Yes, I am spreading Jesus' true messages, not sugarcoated ones
which most mainstream churches are spreading.
What they are doing is misrepresenting Jesus with their corrupt
practice. Why do you refuse to see the ugly reality of their
hypocritical witnessing after I explained behind my messages?
Jesus is not war monger nor hypocrite but that's kind of savior
you are presenting to the world. What is joyful about it? It is
just plain evil.
[/quote]Applying Paul a little might be helpful.
Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true,
whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just,
whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely,
whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue,
and if there be any praise, think on these things.
You may give yourself an ulcer or make yourself ill in some
other way by being so constantly negative. You are also
cheating yourself out of the things in life you should be
grateful to God for.
Do you pray about these things? I pray about them almost every
day. For the people in Syria, in Egypt, in other war torn
areas; and I know some people from some these countries. Most
people in those countries are decent and good people -- but
suffering and dying. They deserve our prayers. I even pray for
the terrorists that God will show them how they are not making
anything better but bringing death and destruction to their own
people. But what do you do? Complain and act like the
righteous Pharisee who said, "God, I thank Thee that I am not
like other men."
Go pray about these things. It would do more good than
criticizing us.
#Post#: 6081--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: George Date: September 25, 2013, 4:23 pm
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=604.msg6078#msg6078
date=1380124917]
Why don't you obey all Jesus' commandments instead of telling
others to do what you don't?
How are you on the internet? You have a computer? Sell it.
Luke 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him,
Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and
distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in
heaven: and come, follow me.
Give up your house and all your family, including your children.
Mark 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you,
There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters,
or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my
sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses,
and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands,
with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
You can then go to the public library to get online; and when
you join a forum and they don't accept your message, leave that
forum. Don't wait for them to ban you, just leave instead of
remaining and fighting.
Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you,
when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a
testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more
tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than
for that city.
If someone gives you enough money, go buy a sword. Not a gun.
No need to join the military, but buy a sword.
Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a
purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath
no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Why bother calling yourself a Christian if you can't do these
things?
[/quote]
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=604.msg6079#msg6079
date=1380128477]
Here is another sermon for the people of Okinawa.
Most people do not care about something unless it affects them.
Thus people who aren't concerned about gun violence suddenly
"get religion" about guns when they get shot or when someone
they love gets shot. Then all of a sudden, because it hurts
them, they get converted to the idea and seem to get obsessed
with it. Some of them go around giving speeches, hoping to
bring others around to their way of thinking. They are still
being self-centered, expecting others to care about it because
they do.
The people of Okinawa are being silly about this. The American
people never asked why people with the Shinto religion decided
to bomb Pearl Harbor. We didn't blame the religion of the
Japanese people. What the people in Okinawa see is the last
military presence on their island. It's American and Americans
are Christians, so they blur reality and confuse the two.
Do the "good" people of Okinawa care at all about the people
being killed by Islamic terrorists? They're killing people in
Kenya, with the terrorists from Somalia crossing over to attack
innocent people in Kenya. THe bloody incident in the mall
should horrify us all. Do they care about the bombing of
churches by terrorists? Do they care about Christians in
Pakistan being killed in their churches by bombs?
Do the people of Okinawa know about the world or care?
Christians are fleeing for the lives from Syria, Egypt, Iraq and
Afghanistan. There are no churches left in Afghanistan. Not
one.
Do the people of Okinawa know enough about history to know how
atheist governments killed millions in the 20th century?
Communism is a recent thing; but in less than a hundred years,
they probably killed more people than Christians did in the
previous 1900.
What the people of Okinawa seem to know is what affects them, so
they want to talk about the evils of Christianity. They are
callous and indifferent to the suffering of others by the larger
threats of Communism and Islamic terrorism.
Perhaps they should also be told that Christianity is
responsible for eliminating human sacrifice around the world
where it existed before the "evil warlike Christians" arrived.
I guess the people of Okinawa would rather have Mexicans still
cutting out the hearts of living people than risk a war. Or have
people throwing virgins into volcanoes to placate the gods. If
people in India want to burn widows alive, fine. If followers
of Kali want to slit people's throats, that's fine too.
I don't know what's wrong with Okinawa, but something is. I'm
surprised the Japanese wanted it back. They keep spending
millions (maybe billions) trying to build it up, but nothing
seems to happen. Perhaps Japan wants it so China can't get it
and put military bases on it.
It's completely crazy to blame Christianity for wars. Nuts.
Should I list all the places in the world being attacked by
radical Islamists? I can look it up at Wikipedia. I read the
article once that dealt with all the current wars in the world.
Most of them involved radical Islamists -- and they're not real
Muslims. I don't blame Islam.
[/quote]
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=604.msg6080#msg6080
date=1380138716]
Applying Paul a little might be helpful.
Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true,
whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just,
whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely,
whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue,
and if there be any praise, think on these things.
You may give yourself an ulcer or make yourself ill in some
other way by being so constantly negative. You are also
cheating yourself out of the things in life you should be
grateful to God for.
Do you pray about these things? I pray about them almost every
day. For the people in Syria, in Egypt, in other war torn
areas; and I know some people from some these countries. Most
people in those countries are decent and good people -- but
suffering and dying. They deserve our prayers. I even pray for
the terrorists that God will show them how they are not making
anything better but bringing death and destruction to their own
people. But what do you do? Complain and act like the
righteous Pharisee who said, "God, I thank Thee that I am not
like other men."
Go pray about these things. It would do more good than
criticizing us.
[/quote]
[center]Can we get a HALLELUJAH up in this church tonight!!!
HALLELUJAH!!!
;D[/center]
#Post#: 6082--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christian forum pet peev.
By: meshak Date: September 25, 2013, 5:22 pm
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=604.msg6078#msg6078
date=1380124917]
How are you on the internet? You have a computer? Sell it.
[/quote]
You don't seem to know how to read His commandments. I am using
computer to tell the world about Christianity. Without computer
I cannot do it. What you are doing is desperate attempt to
insult me personally.
[quote]Give up your house and all your family, including your
children.[/quote]
How is that going to be loving by abandoning my family?
[quote][b]Mark 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say
unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or
sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands,
for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses,
and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands,
with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
[/quoe]
Agains what Jesus is saying is that Jesus comes first for His
followers. Parents have responsibility to raise their children
as they shoud go so they become faithful servants. If other
people including your family member reject Jesus, His followers
should separate themselves from them instead of accommodating
them.
You don't seem to know how to apply or practice what He teaches
and commands.
[quote]You can then go to the public library to get online; and
when you join a forum and they don't accept your message, leave
that forum. Don't wait for them to ban you, just leave instead
of remaining and fighting.[/quote]
You need to get rid of your bitterness just became you don't
like what I have to say. It is becoming, friend.
[quote]Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear
you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet
for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be
more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment,
than for that city.[/quote]
I will spread as much as I can. Forum can reach out to world
wide.
[quote]If someone gives you enough money, go buy a sword. Not a
gun. No need to join the military, but buy a sword.[/quote]
What His followers could do with two swords?????
[quote]Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath
a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that
hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.[/quote]
Read the above.
[quote]Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on
earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.[/quote]
Jesus is talking about spiritual battle. Take look at this
forum alone. You are fighting against me who is working for
Jesus.
[quote]Why bother calling yourself a Christian if you can't do
these things?
[/quote]
read the above. You need to get rid of your bitterness against
Jesus' noble and high standards.
blessings.
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