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Re: Reincarnation
By: coldwar Date: August 8, 2013, 8:43 am
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Getting back to the subject at hand, I neither believe or
disbelieve in reincarnation, although I do prefer the writings
of Origen more than any of the church councils that pronounced
him anathema. I do have a question about it. Is it a possibility
that the 144,000 who are sealed in Revelation, being referred to
as "virgins" mean that they are reincarnated? I guess the real
question I'm asking is about the word "virgin" - could this be a
bible code-word for reincarnated beings?
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Re: Reincarnation
By: George Date: August 8, 2013, 9:56 am
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[quote author=Mike link=topic=583.msg5835#msg5835
date=1375940737]
And from 1 Corinthians 13:8
"Love (especially pure 'childlike' love) [color=blue][i]never
fails:
[/quote]
What a beautiful teaching! Would you not agree?
[quote author=Mike link=topic=583.msg5835#msg5835
date=1375940737]
I read all parts of the Bible, and many expositions by many
Christians, and have listened to many preachings and teachings
from many pulpits.
And all the time I do so with simple childlike trust and faith
that God will lead me ever closer to him in terms of such as I
need to know in order thus to walk.
[/quote]
My question is how does one know that they have arrived? What
powers does one attain in order that they can say "I know all
that I need to know in order thus to walk?"
[quote author=Mike link=topic=583.msg5835#msg5835
date=1375940737]
Conversely George accepts nothing without proof.
[/quote]
This is true for many things. Many teachings that appear to me
to be the works of the hands of men, many dogmas and doctrine
that are attributed to Christendom.
[quote author=Mike link=topic=583.msg5835#msg5835
date=1375940737]
IMO my walk of faith is a deliberate (and scriptural) 'Cop-in'
as distinct from a 'cop-out'
[/quote]
James 2:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath
faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
To pull a book out of your page Mike. Quick Google search
produced the following list of scripture.
Psalm 62:12
For you render to each one according to his works.
Proverbs 10:16
The labour of the righteous tendeth to life: the fruit of
the wicked to sin.
Ecclesiastes 12:14
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every
secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Jeremiah 17:10
I the Lord ... give every man according to his ways, and
according to the fruit of his doings.
Ezekiel 18:27, 30
When the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness ... and
doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul.
(V.27)
I will judge you ... every one according to his ways, saith
the Lord GOD. (v.30)
Matthew 5:20
Except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of
the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the
kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words
thou shalt be condemned.
Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with
His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
Matthew 19:17
If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 25:41-46
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart
from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the
devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no
meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger,
and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and
in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer
him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a
stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister
unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto
you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye
did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting
punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Luke 10:26-28
He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest
thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God
with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and
thou shalt live.
John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the
resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the
resurrection of damnation.
Romans 2:6, 13
Who will render to each one according to his deeds. ... For
not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the
doers of the law will be justified.
2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the jugment seat of Christ,
that each one may receive the things done in the body, according
to what he has done, whether good or bad.
2 Corinthians 11:15
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also
transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end
will be according to their works.
Philippians 2:12
Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
James 1:22
Be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving
your own selves
James 2:14, 17, 21-25
What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has
faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? (v.14)
Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is
dead. (v.17)
Was not Abraham our father justified by works? You see then
that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
Likewise, was not Rabab the harlot also justified by works? For
as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works
is dead also. (vv.21-25)
1 Peter 1:17
The Father, who without partiality judges according to each
one's work.
Revelation 2:23
I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Revelation 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and
the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the
book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which
were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea
gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered
up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man
according to their works.
Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may
have right to the tree of life.
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Re: Reincarnation
By: Mike Date: August 8, 2013, 12:18 pm
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George, the "Leaf that you've pulled out" comes from a different
book to mine.
IMO 'works' does not equate 'knowledge' and is an essential by
product of 'faith' whereas 'knowledge' is not.
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Re: Reincarnation
By: George Date: August 8, 2013, 1:08 pm
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^ Gotcha Mike, we are on different pages, I was referring to the
work and endurance one must be will to put forth in order to
acquire knowledge. It has been my experience that many would
rather go to church and listen to the preacher and take there
words for truth, never really putting forth the effort to study
for ones self in order to gain a personal knowledge of the
scripture, and growing there personal relationship with God or
there Higher Power. I have seen many time where individuals will
hear a sermon, they follow along in there own bible, and even
take home the study pamphlets for further reading, yet they
already have a preconceived idea of what they should take from
the scriptures, or how to interpret them. Then there are the
other works which come from Loving thy neighbor, which
individuals will also seem to set to the side and feel that
because they accepted Jesus as lord and savior then they have
arrived and are somehow granted a free pass into the kingdom. I
think that accepting Jesus as lord and savior, to those who have
heard his name, have just begun on there path.
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Re: Reincarnation
By: Mike Date: August 8, 2013, 2:29 pm
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Good on yer George.
We agree when we're on different pages.
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Re: Reincarnation
By: Kerry Date: August 8, 2013, 7:54 pm
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[quote author=Mike link=topic=583.msg5829#msg5829
date=1375904751]
I'm not entirely sure about that,
The image is of two rotating pyramids, each having four points
making a total of eight, whereas the Star of David surely only
has six.
[/quote]It's the difference between a square and a cube. If
you view the rotating pyramids from a certain angle, you get the
six sided Star of David.
You could also portray each triangle or pyramid inside a sphere
-- with one sphere (of spirit) above and one below (soul).
Then following the principle, draw near to God and God will draw
near to you, the two spheres come closer and closer. They
begin to overlap; and if the soul is perfectly formed, it
matches spirit, and the two merge completely in time and space.
The two become one. That is when the dot appears in the middle
of the Star of David.
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Re: Reincarnation
By: Kerry Date: August 8, 2013, 8:23 pm
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[quote author=George M. C. Jr. link=topic=583.msg5840#msg5840
date=1375985322]
^ Gotcha Mike, we are on different pages, I was referring to the
work and endurance one must be will to put forth in order to
acquire knowledge. It has been my experience that many would
rather go to church and listen to the preacher and take there
words for truth, never really putting forth the effort to study
for ones self in order to gain a personal knowledge of the
scripture, and growing there personal relationship with God or
there Higher Power. I have seen many time where individuals will
hear a sermon, they follow along in there own bible, and even
take home the study pamphlets for further reading, yet they
already have a preconceived idea of what they should take from
the scriptures, or how to interpret them. Then there are the
other works which come from Loving thy neighbor, which
individuals will also seem to set to the side and feel that
because they accepted Jesus as lord and savior then they have
arrived and are somehow granted a free pass into the kingdom. I
think that accepting Jesus as lord and savior, to those who have
heard his name, have just begun on there path.
[/quote]I may be talking about something different than you; but
I think there is a type of knowledge (wisdom might be a better
word) that comes from struggling with situations. If you care
about someone, your mind wants to look for answers or solutions
to problems, unwilling to give up too easily. Of course, love
sometimes tells us to do nothing -- let other people do what
they want. Or avoid them if we know it will cause stress.
The mind also expands if love prompts you to listen to what
other people say so you understand them better. If someone
happens to mention their favorite color, do you remember it so
the next time you buy them a present, you know what color to
buy? "Do unto others" may not mean buy them something blue
because blue is our favorite color.
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Re: Reincarnation
By: George Date: August 8, 2013, 10:49 pm
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^ Excellent point, Some wisdom cant be taught from a book. This
may actually be the truest form of Wisdom appose to knowledge?
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Re: Reincarnation
By: Kerry Date: August 8, 2013, 11:14 pm
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[quote author=George M. C. Jr. link=topic=583.msg5845#msg5845
date=1376020146]
^ Excellent point, Some wisdom cant be taught from a book. This
may actually be the truest form of Wisdom appose to
knowledge?[/quote]It may be. Every situation is unique. A
rule may be a good rule if it covers most cases, but what rule
can cover every case? It seems to me that there are exceptions
to most rules. We have to be willing to be guided by love; and
if we love, we have to seek to understand others so we know what
we're doing. Obeying a set of rules is generally safe but not
always.
I stole a man's gun once, and I'd do it again. He was going a
little nuts, and people were worried about him having it. Then
one day he shot a bullet into a wall. He said it was just to
see if it would go through the wall.
His wife knew where the gun was, so I stole it and she drove
over a bridge and I tossed it into the river. I may have been
willing to steal it, but I didn't want to get caught with it if
the cops came looking.
If we could size up situations properly, I don't think we'd need
rules.
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Re: Reincarnation
By: Mike Date: August 9, 2013, 12:01 am
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=583.msg5843#msg5843
date=1376009658]
[quote author=Mike link=topic=583.msg5829#msg5829
date=1375904751]
I'm not entirely sure about that,
The image is of two rotating pyramids, each having four points
making a total of eight, whereas the Star of David surely only
has six.
[/quote]It's the difference between a square and a cube. If
you view the rotating pyramids from a certain angle, you get the
six sided Star of David.
You could also portray each triangle or pyramid inside a sphere
-- with one sphere (of spirit) above and one below (soul).
Then following the principle, draw near to God and God will draw
near to you, the two spheres come closer and closer. They
begin to overlap; and if the soul is perfectly formed, it
matches spirit, and the two merge completely in time and space.
The two become one. That is when the dot appears in the middle
of the Star of David.
[/quote]
If you view a pyramid from its central axis with one of its
three sides horizontal at the top or the bottom, then when it
rotates the three points on the horizontal plain appear at
different vertical heights according to how close they are to
your eye (more so the closer you are).
How does that fit with spiritual significance?
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