DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
Love God Only
HTML https://lovegodonly.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: Earthly Things
*****************************************************
#Post#: 5445--------------------------------------------------
Re: not so pupular verses (1)
By: meshak Date: July 6, 2013, 11:29 am
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=551.msg5432#msg5432
date=1373095460]
Isn't that true about a lot of people who come to forums?
[/quote]
Some say they come to forum to learn from other believers.
[quote] So many think they can't learn from other people because
Jesus is their teacher or because the Bible has told them
everything. They wind up trying to rebuke and correct each
other -- and no one is willing to accept rebuke or correction
himself. [/quote]
We don't have rebuke but we certainly have right to spread
convictions for our Lord.
[quote]Having confidence in being right doesn't make us right.
It takes a lot of confidence and conviction to burn someone
alive, but people burned heretics. They were so sure they were
right, they could do it.
[/quote]
If I don't have confidence in what I am talking about I have no
business spreading them.
I don't talk about things I don't know, like prophesy. I only
talk about Jesus' simple teachings which watered down by the
mainstream churches.
#Post#: 5446--------------------------------------------------
Re: not so pupular verses (1)
By: meshak Date: July 6, 2013, 11:33 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Ok, everyone, I replied to all. Now you may begin fighting back
;D
#Post#: 5447--------------------------------------------------
Re: not so pupular verses (1)
By: Amadeus Date: July 6, 2013, 12:08 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote]Ok, everyone, I replied to all. Now you may begin
fighting back ;D[/quote]
[font=courier]No, sister, let us not fight. Let each of us
rather read this and consider: "Consider your ways" Haggai 1:5,7
[/font]
#Post#: 5448--------------------------------------------------
Re: not so pupular verses (1)
By: Kerry Date: July 6, 2013, 12:16 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=meshak link=topic=551.msg5445#msg5445
date=1373128187]
Some say they come to forum to learn from other
believers.[/quote]I think some do say that, and I think they do
learn if that is their reason.
[quote]We don't have rebuke but we certainly have right to
spread convictions for our Lord. [/quote]
If the Bible tells us to accept rebuking, someone would have to
do the rebuking. Ah, that's the question, isn't it?
[quote]If I don't have confidence in what I am talking about I
have no business spreading them.[/quote]
One reason I first came to a forum on the internet was to test
myself. Were my ideas right? I could argue; and if the other
side had better arguments than I did, I figured they were right.
When we say things, I think we should be willing to be wrong if
someone else has better ideas. I was wrong about something just
the other day at another site. What could I say? The only
thing I could say is that I saw where the other fellow was
right. He was right. I had been wrong. I'm not ashamed of
saying something that wasn't true -- I got corrected. If I
hadn't said it, I might still believe this wrong thing.
[quote]I don't talk about things I don't know, like prophesy. I
only talk about Jesus' simple teachings which watered down by
the mainstream churches.[/quote]I am sure you believe these
things.
#Post#: 5449--------------------------------------------------
Re: not so pupular verses (1)
By: George Date: July 6, 2013, 1:33 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=meshak link=topic=551.msg5442#msg5442
date=1373127791]
That applies to all situation, discerning spiritual matters..
[/quote]
Is that what Jesus said? While I do agree that you can tell by
there fruit about all people and it can be said about church's
to an extent, you emphasize what it is that Jesus "Says"; but
then you translate what is said in the scripture and add your
own interpretation. The scripture is talking about prophets.
Jesus is talking about prophets,You take it upon yourself to
relate it to church's. that is your interpretation. Do you see
were I am going? I am not saying that you are wrong. What I am
saying is that Jesus didn't say anything about church's. Jesus
never lead a church or started a church(what we call church
today). It is my opinion that you err by saying Jesus said, and
then adding your interpretation. Basically it is not what Jesus
said it is how you interpret it that you then say is the true
teachings of Jesus. Again it appears to me that you feel you can
put words into the mouth of Jesus and then say this is my
conviction therefor it must be true. From my understanding Jesus
command was to spread the word, not start church's and divide
into separate denominations, etc. etc.
I was asking if maybe in the scripture you can connect what you
claim Jesus said to what is actually in the scripture. Rather
you came back with your interpretation. So that would lead me to
wonder is that really what Jesus said? My answer would be no.
Take the Catholic church as an example, I think there are good
Catholics that seek to do the will of the Father in Heaven, who
try and live by Jesus example. There are others who have been
proven to be doing that which is evil. So which of the two is
the true fruit of the church? This can be said about all
church's. Only God knows the heart of each individual. We can
tell by the fruit of an individual. It is hard to judge a church
as a whole by there fruit. That would be like saying all
Christians are this or all Muslims are that.
#Post#: 5450--------------------------------------------------
Re: not so pupular verses (1)
By: meshak Date: July 6, 2013, 2:44 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=551.msg5448#msg5448
date=1373131000]
.[/quote]I think some do say that, and I think they do learn if
that is their reason. [/quote]
That is just fine, but they try to push their idea on others.
And get defensive if I don't take or agree with them.
[quote]If the Bible tells us to accept rebuking, someone would
have to do the rebuking. Ah, that's the question, isn't it?
[/quote]
Nope, I am talking about spreading convictions. I don't push it
to anyone. They can just take it or leave it.
[quote]One reason I first came to a forum on the internet was to
test myself. Were my ideas right? I could argue; and if the
other side had better arguments than I did, I figured they were
right. When we say things, I think we should be willing to be
wrong if someone else has better ideas. I was wrong about
something just the other day at another site. What could I
say? The only thing I could say is that I saw where the other
fellow was right. He was right. I had been wrong. I'm not
ashamed of saying something that wasn't true -- I got corrected.
If I hadn't said it, I might still believe this wrong thing.
[/quote]
I came to forum because I was deeply disappointed by the
churches accepting watered down practice. That's how I began my
forum life about seven years ago or so. I searched around,
joined and served major denominations.
I gave JW the benefit of the doubt when I stopped searching
around trinity churches. Then I concluded that they are
controlling organization than others even though their lay
people are striving to be godly than trinity churches.
I think the trinity churches are so corrupt because the leaders
are paid. they have to please their congregation rather than
God and Jesus in orders to keep them and getting more members.
[quote]I don't talk about things I don't know, like prophesy. I
only talk about Jesus' simple teachings which watered down by
the mainstream churches.[/quote]I am sure you believe these
things.
[/quote]
#Post#: 5451--------------------------------------------------
Re: not so pupular verses (1)
By: meshak Date: July 6, 2013, 2:46 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=George M. C. Jr. link=topic=551.msg5449#msg5449
date=1373135638]
Is that what Jesus said? [/quote]
Al His teachings apply to all His followers.
#Post#: 5452--------------------------------------------------
Re: not so pupular verses (1)
By: Kerry Date: July 6, 2013, 3:00 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=meshak link=topic=551.msg5450#msg5450
date=1373139871]
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=551.msg5448#msg5448
date=1373131000]
I think some do say that, and I think they do learn if that is
their reason. [/quote]
That is just fine, but they try to push their idea on others.
And get defensive if I don't take or agree with them.
[/quote]People can have more than one reason to get defensive.
[quote][quote]If the Bible tells us to accept rebuking, someone
would have to do the rebuking. Ah, that's the question, isn't
it? [/quote]
Nope, I am talking about spreading convictions. I don't push it
to anyone. They can just take it or leave it. [/quote]This
thread is about rebuking. The opening post and the title of the
thread suggest that Christians do not like these passages
because they don't like being rebuked or corrected. Not you
specifically -- don't think about what you do. Rather ask
yourself who should rebuke others? Who is qualified to correct
someone else the way a teacher does in school?
[quote]I came to forum because I was deeply disappointed by the
churches accepting watered down practice. That's how I began my
forum life about seven years ago or so. I searched around,
joined and served major denominations.
I gave JW the benefit of the doubt when I stopped searching
around trinity churches. Then I concluded that they are
controlling organization than others even though their lay
people are striving to be godly than trinity churches.[/quote]
So many churches to choose from, and you could not find one
where you thought the leaders knew some things you did not?
[quote]I think the trinity churches are so corrupt because the
leaders are paid. they have to please their congregation rather
than God and Jesus in orders to keep them and getting more
members. [/quote]
I think any organization can fall into this trap.
#Post#: 5453--------------------------------------------------
Re: not so pupular verses (1)
By: Kerry Date: July 6, 2013, 3:11 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=George M. C. Jr. link=topic=551.msg5431#msg5431
date=1373090563]
Was Jesus referring to the "Church's" When he said we will know
them by there fruit? That is not how I read it, You have some
understandings that are new to me. I am interested in how you
interpret these scriptures speaking of knowing them by there
fruit to be referring to "Church's"
Matthew 7:15-20
King James Version (KJV)
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of
thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a
corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a
corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down,
and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[/quote]While you can apply this principle in several ways, I'd
say he was talking about identifying voices. Eve listened to
the serpent and Adam listened to her. It should have been Adam
listening to God and Eve listening to him.
When a prophet speaks, what spirit is putting words in his
mouth? The right words are spirit and lead to life. Thus Jesus
said his spoken words were spirit.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth
nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and
they are life.
You can easily see the reference to Genesis by the "thorns" and
"thistles." A little harder is seeing how the Tree of Life is
connected to grapes and figs; but the Tree of Life is actually
two intertwined trees. One grows up, and the other grows down
like a vine. Thus I read these passages as meaning man will
have access to the Tree of Life.
Micah 4:4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under
his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of
the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.
Zechariah 3:10 In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye
call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig
tree.
In short, the words of the false prophet lead to death, and the
words of the true prophet lead to life.
#Post#: 5454--------------------------------------------------
Re: not so pupular verses (1)
By: meshak Date: July 6, 2013, 3:21 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=551.msg5452#msg5452
date=1373140853]
. This thread is about rebuking. [/quoe]
Not really, it is just one of them. I am the OP starter, if you
got that impression, it is my poor writing skill.
[quote]I think any organization can fall into this trap.
[/quote] Not if they don't rely on their members' tithes and
offerings to have church.
*****************************************************
DIR Previous Page
DIR Next Page