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not so pupular verses (1)
DIR By: meshak
Date: July 5, 2013, 6:19 pm
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Prov. 27:5 Open rebuke [is] better than secret love.
27:6 Faithful [are] the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an
enemy [are] deceitful.
Rev. 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous
therefore, and repent.
Matt. 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why
tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites?
Matt. 23:24 [Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and
swallow a camel.
23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within
they are full of extortion and excess.
Matt. 23:19 [Ye] fools and blind: for whether [is] greater, the
gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the
friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore
will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
2 Tim. 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season;
reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
1 Tim. 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also
may fear.
Titus 1:12 One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own,
said, The Cretians [are] alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that
they may be sound in the faith;
Rebuke when rebuke is called for is a sign of love, but failure
to do so is a sign of hate!
Ez. 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and
thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked
from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked [man]
shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine
hand.
3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his
iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
3:20 Again, When a righteous [man] doth turn from his
righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock
before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him
warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he
hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require
at thine hand.
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Re: not so pupular verses (1)
DIR By: Kerry
Date: July 5, 2013, 6:56 pm
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Do you accept all the books quoted as inspired Scriptures?
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Re: not so pupular verses (1)
DIR By: Runner
Date: July 5, 2013, 7:08 pm
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I am not quite sure what the discusion is?
I can think of more verses that are "not so popular".
Some days I hear the Lord say in my spirit , like He said to
Adam and Elijah " What doest thou here..." Helen.. But, while
not popular with me, it gives me the nudge I need to remind me
that I have let my mind wander and have lost focus.
Not always popular...but good for us!! ;)
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Re: not so pupular verses (1)
DIR By: meshak
Date: July 5, 2013, 7:15 pm
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--- Quote from: Helen link ---
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> [size=12pt]I am not quite sure what the discusion is?
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I had hard time how to titile those verses.
I picked those because I have been pointing out how Jesus'
teachings are not practiced diligently. And I get targeted to
be banned because of it.
How they criticize me is that I am judgmental or not loving.
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Re: not so pupular verses (1)
DIR By: Kerry
Date: July 5, 2013, 7:20 pm
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--- Quote from: meshak link ---
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> [quote author=Helen link=topic=551.msg5416#msg5416
date=1373069337]
> [size=12pt]I am not quite sure what the discusion is?
--- End Quote ---
I had hard time how to titile those verses.
I picked those because I have been pointing out how Jesus'
teachings are not practiced diligently. And I get targeted to
be banned because of it.
How they criticize me is that I am judgmental or not loving.
[/quote]And you're criticizing them for criticizing you. . . .
And the merry-go-round never stops.
I thought you accepted only the Gospels. I thought you didn't
accept other books in the Bible; but now you seem to be saying
they are part of Jesus' teachings. When people tried to quote
other books to you, you would say they weren't what Jesus said.
So it surprised me to see you quoting them here.
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Re: not so pupular verses (1)
DIR By: meshak
Date: July 5, 2013, 7:45 pm
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--- Quote from: Kerry link ---
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> And you're criticizing them for criticizing you. . . . And
the merry-go-round never stops.
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Let me get this strait. I don't criticize anyone saying they
are unloving or judgmental.
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> I thought you accepted only the Gospels.
--- End Quote ---
Nope, I said I pick and choose what harmonizes with Jesus' word.
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Re: not so pupular verses (1)
DIR By: Amadeus
Date: July 5, 2013, 8:08 pm
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> Meshak: Nope, I said I pick and choose what harmonizes with
Jesus' word.
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How is a person to know what is Jesus's word and what is not?
Should we accept as Jesus' word only those words some men
decided to print in red in some Bibles?
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Re: not so pupular verses (1)
DIR By: Kerry
Date: July 5, 2013, 8:16 pm
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--- Quote from: meshak link ---
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> [quote author=Kerry link=topic=551.msg5418#msg5418
date=1373070038]
> And you're criticizing them for criticizing you. . . . And
the merry-go-round never stops.
--- End Quote ---
Let me get this strait. I don't criticize anyone saying they
are unloving or judgmental.[/quote]
You said in your post to Helen that:
--- Quote ---
> I picked those because I have been pointing out how Jesus'
teachings are not practiced diligently. And I get targeted to
be banned because of it.
>
> How they criticize me is that I am judgmental or not loving.
--- End Quote ---
In other words, you were criticizing people for what you see as
their doing as Jesus said. When you point this out to them, you
feel targeted and think that's the reason you get banned. I
don't see how you can saying people are not practicing things
diligently without being judgmental of them. I can understand
why they take offense and strike back at you. You can't?
--- Quote ---
> [quote]I thought you accepted only the Gospels.
--- End Quote ---
Nope, I said I pick and choose what harmonizes with Jesus'
word.[/quote]With your interpretation of what he said. If Paul
says something you like, you agree with him. If Paul says
something you don't like, you say he's disagreeing with Jesus;
but I'd say Paul is disagreeing with your interpretation of what
Jesus said.
Peter, James and John knew Jesus in person. Paul said he met
Jesus. I would think they would know better than me how to
interpret the things Jesus said. If my interpretation of
something Jesus said is contradicted by James or Peter, I'd
doubt myself. After all, they knew Jesus better than I do.
You are also setting yourself up as a judge over Paul, Peter,
James and John. I don't know what to make of it. I don't know
how to talk to you because you can accept or reject anything as
you like. While I know there are problems with the Bible, I
don't reject a passage just because I don't like it.
This thread talks about rebuking. How can you accept rebuking
or correction from the Scriptures if you reject them when they
disagree with you? If I accept rebukes and correction means
I'm admitting someone else is right and I am wrong. By
rejecting the parts of those books you don't like, you're saying
you're so sure you're right about how to read the words of
Jesus, you couldn't be wrong. Paul, Peter, James and John are
wrong -- and you wouldn't take correction from them. But you
will quote them to tell others they should accept correction.
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Re: not so pupular verses (1)
DIR By: meshak
Date: July 5, 2013, 9:28 pm
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--- Quote from: Amadeus link ---
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> [quote]Meshak: Nope, I said I pick and choose what harmonizes
with Jesus' word.
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How is a person to know what is Jesus's word and what is not?
Should we accept as Jesus' word only those words some men
decided to print in red in some Bibles?
We have to set a foot on somewhere. There are tons to verses
that don't harmonize with God and Jesus' love.
I want to be consistent.
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Re: not so pupular verses (1)
DIR By: meshak
Date: July 5, 2013, 9:47 pm
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--- Quote from: Kerry link ---
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> In other words, you were criticizing people for what you see
as their doing as Jesus said. When you point this out to them,
you feel targeted and think that's the reason you get banned.
I don't see how you can saying people are not practicing things
diligently without being judgmental of them. I can understand
why they take offense and strike back at you. You can't?
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I cannot ban anyone. I don't have authority over anyone.
Forums do. They ban people who are pointing out their
hypocrisy.
You see I discuss fruit of the majority of the churches because
Jesus says we know them by their fruit (practice). Every time I
talk about the practice (fruit) of the churches, I get to called
judgmental or not loving (charity).
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> With your interpretation of what he said. If Paul says
something you like, you agree with him. If Paul says something
you don't like, you say he's disagreeing with Jesus; but I'd
say Paul is disagreeing with your interpretation of what Jesus
said.
--- End Quote ---
That's right. Jesus is consistent in His word. Please don't go
into His hyperboles. We have been there.
Paul is so busy spreading "grace and faith alone" doctrines and
giving readers impression that obeying Jesus is not important.
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> Peter, James and John knew Jesus in person. Paul said he met
Jesus. I would think they would know better than me how to
interpret the things Jesus said. If my interpretation of
something Jesus said is contradicted by James or Peter, I'd
doubt myself. After all, they knew Jesus better than I do.
--- End Quote ---
I don't know if what Peter was really what Peter said. I doubt
it.
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> You are also setting yourself up as a judge over Paul, Peter,
James and John. I don't know what to make of it. I don't know
how to talk to you because you can accept or reject anything as
you like. While I know there are problems with the Bible, I
don't reject a passage just because I don't like it.
--- End Quote ---
Ok, that is why I call my claims are all my convictions. We
will be judged according to what we are spreading too. If I am
spreading lies, I will be in deep trouble with my Lord.
Anyway, most churches are so busy trying to hush what Jesus
truly teaching, calling people "judgmental" and "unloving" is
one of the most frequently used tactics.
this is the bottom line of this thread and my point..
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