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How old are man's earliest ancestors?
By: Mike Date: June 12, 2013, 12:16 pm
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Visiting my children in France's Dordogne I got taken to the Le
Village Troglodytique de La Madeleine said to have been
inhabited 50,000 years ago.
It is absolutely mind blowing and has to be visited to
experience something of what life used to be like in that
'village'.
It really is worth the next best thing which is to visit
HTML http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=28276
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Re: How old are man's earliest ancestors?
By: Mike Date: June 12, 2013, 12:59 pm
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The 'village' is hewn high up out of the absolutely verticle
cliff face which immediately flanks the outside of a sharp bend
in the river.
In those days there was no road network and the river was the
only means of access.
The 'village' stretched wide enough for it to have a view down
each reach of the river, and had a sentry lookout at each end to
warn of any approaching vessel which would be 'bombed' from
above if thought to be an invader. It had a form of gantry near
its centre for raising provisions which also came in by boat.
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Re: How old are man's earliest ancestors?
By: Kerry Date: June 12, 2013, 4:16 pm
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I think man's ancestors go back millions of years. Maybe
billions for all I know.
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Re: How old are man's earliest ancestors?
By: Amadeus Date: June 12, 2013, 5:34 pm
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[quote]Kerry:I think man's ancestors go back millions of years.
Maybe billions for all I know. [/quote]
[font=courier]But... hopefully, our closest relative is to be
timeless and therefore...Hmmm... ageless?[/font]
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Re: How old are man's earliest ancestors?
By: George Date: June 12, 2013, 5:42 pm
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=531.msg5097#msg5097
date=1371071774]
I think man's ancestors go back millions of years. Maybe
billions for all I know.
[/quote]
Is this the same thing as "Mankind"?
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Re: How old are man's earliest ancestors?
By: Kerry Date: June 12, 2013, 6:04 pm
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=531.msg5100#msg5100
date=1371076493]
[quote]Kerry:I think man's ancestors go back millions of years.
Maybe billions for all I know. [/quote]
[font=courier]But... hopefully, our closest relative is to be
timeless and therefore...Hmmm... ageless?[/font]
[/quote]That may depend on the "us" was in Genesis. "Let us
make the man in our own image. . . . "
[quote author=George M. C. Jr. link=topic=531.msg5101#msg5101
date=1371076979]
[quote author=Kerry link=topic=531.msg5097#msg5097
date=1371071774]
I think man's ancestors go back millions of years. Maybe
billions for all I know.
[/quote]
Is this the same thing as "Mankind"?
[/quote]That depends on the definition. If you define "man" as
the bridge or connection between the spiritual and material
worlds, "yes." If you mean human beings as people of the sort
we see now, "no."
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Re: How old are man's earliest ancestors?
By: Amadeus Date: June 13, 2013, 2:03 pm
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[quote]Kerry:I think man's ancestors go back millions of years.
Maybe billions for all I know.[/quote]
[quote]Amadeus: But... hopefully, our closest relative is to be
timeless and therefore...Hmmm... ageless?[/quote]
[quote]Kerry: That may depend on the "us" was in Genesis. "Let
us make the man in our own image. . . . " [/quote]
[font=courier]What if the "us" is those who can hear God call
them and then answer God favorably and obey Him?
"Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love
me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of
myself, but he sent me.
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear
my word." John 8:42-43
Those who do not and/or cannot...
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father
ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not
in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh
a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father
of it." John 8:44[/font]
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Re: How old are man's earliest ancestors?
By: Kerry Date: June 13, 2013, 6:31 pm
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=531.msg5104#msg5104
date=1371150206]
[font=courier]What if the "us" is those who can hear God call
them and then answer God favorably and obey Him?
"Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love
me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of
myself, but he sent me.
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear
my word." John 8:42-43
Those who do not and/or cannot...
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father
ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not
in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh
a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father
of it." John 8:44[/font]
[/quote]I can be dense. I am not following you.
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Re: How old are man's earliest ancestors?
By: Amadeus Date: June 14, 2013, 10:00 am
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[quote]Amadeus: What if the "us" is those who can hear God call
them and then answer God favorably and obey Him?
"Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love
me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of
myself, but he sent me.
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear
my word." John 8:42-43
Those who do not and/or cannot...
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father
ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not
in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh
a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father
of it." John 8:44[/quote]
[quote]Kerry: I can be dense. I am not following you.
[/quote]
[font=courier]Sorry, I was not necessarily expressing even my
own belief which remains perhaps in abeyance on this point. I
will attempt to clarify:
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over
the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the
earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the
earth." Gen 1:26
My intention was for you to consider that God in that verse is
speaking to you and me and others today, or God wants us to be,
in effect, speaking with Him of the creation of man in His
image.
What if we, you and I and the other guy, are to be One with the
Creator in the creation of man in the image of God and it was
this that God was saying in Gen 1:26?
My mind also goes to the wording in John 17 as Jesus spoke to
His Father about us.
I am not making a statement, but asking if you have considered
these things or will do so. I would be interested in any
positive or negative comments. Thanks![/font]
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Re: How old are man's earliest ancestors?
By: Kerry Date: June 14, 2013, 4:30 pm
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=531.msg5106#msg5106
date=1371222029]
Sorry, I was not necessarily expressing even my own belief which
remains perhaps in abeyance on this point. I will attempt to
clarify:
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over
the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the
earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the
earth." Gen 1:26
My intention was for you to consider that God in that verse is
speaking to you and me and others today, or God wants us to be,
in effect, speaking with Him of the creation of man in His
image.
What if we, you and I and the other guy, are to be One with the
Creator in the creation of man in the image of God and it was
this that God was saying in Gen 1:26?
My mind also goes to the wording in John 17 as Jesus spoke to
His Father about us.
I am not making a statement, but asking if you have considered
these things or will do so. I would be interested in any
positive or negative comments. Thanks![/quote]
What is the image and likeness of God? While that cannot be
know to me in full, I can believe that all of creation up to
that point in the six days had something to do with the
manifestation of God into the world of form. Thus man was
also to reflect everything up to that point; and the-man was
formed and given dominion over all the other things in the world
of form.
The "us" then could refer to the angels set over things. If you
can believe there is an intelligence that governs the winds, the
plants, and every other thing, then the "us" would include all
those angels. I believe as the Jews do that each species of
plant and animal has its governing angel or guardian angel -- or
in American Indian terms, its totem.
Note that later when the-man needs a helper, all the "animals"
come to him to be named, but none of them is found to be the
helper. How could the cow help man? The guardian angel of
the cow was concerned only with cows. Plants would be less of
a help and we don't see them summoned.
I tend to think that the-man was not in "human" form at that
point. He was to be over all the animals and all the plants,
not identifying with one species. The error was falling into
physical bodies identifying with the species we can call "man"
-- Enos, not Adam -- the physical mortal man that preceded Eden
-- yes, even 50,000 years ago.
The fall of the "spirit of man" into one species of animals
seems to have been the result of curiosity over sex and the
pleasure of sex.
The unfortunate results for the rest of the world are that the
animals and plants must wait for the day when the "spirit of
man" sorts out his confusion with the "human species." Thus all
of creation still groans. The day foreseen by Isaiah has not
yet come.
This may sound incredibly sound; but then I suppose the idea of
God making a covenant with the animals in the days of Moses also
sounds strange.
The awareness of mankind (of the "son of man" may be a clearer
expression) should not be tied to only one physical human body.
It is connected to plants and animals too. When we read about
thorns, that is almost always a reference to a spiritual
principle that was affected by the fall of Adam. The crown of
thorns surely is referring to Genesis -- and on the "tree" when
the "serpent" is lifted up, the "crown of thorns" becomes the
"crown of life." I would say the "Vine" is another reference
to Genesis; and I would say the spiritual principle or being was
one of the "us" who said, "Let us." So too were the lion and
the lamb. It is more than figure of speeches when Jesus is
called the lion of Judah or the Lamb of God. To me, these are
real spiritual forces or angels -- you could call them gods but
that word can be confusing.
As well, there are the seventy nations. I would say there are
seventy Guardian Angels of the seventy nations; and they too are
meant to be part of the "us" eventually. Some of them had
fallen. Without a Guardian Angel to guide it, a nation would
fall into depravity and be worse than the beasts of the earth.
So where some of these Guardian Angels were missing, substitutes
were put in place. I'd say on day three when the trees came
forth "after their kind." Yes, I'd say there were seventy
trees in Eden since Eden was designed for the salvation of the
nations. Israel didn't need to be saved. The 144,000 or the
initial elect ones did not need salvation.
These "fallen" gods needed to be replaced by a new set of gods
to rule over the nations until the fallen ones could be restored
to Heaven.
On the earth, some trickery was needed to "steal" the spiritual
authority from the fallen gods. Thus Esau or Edom had a fallen
god or guardian angel. Esau had the birthright too until Jacob
stole it and also defeated Esau's guardian angel wrestling with
him. The continuing animosity or conflict between the
Edomites and Israel is one of my basic thoughts. Though
"children of Adam" in the flesh and in some other ways, some
still remain under the spiritual direction of the fallen gods.
The "gods" which compose the "God" of Eden are "not of this
world." They came here to restore the world when its own gods
fell into darkness and we can read the myths about the fallen
gods. I believe many of those myths at least in part. They
were not benevolent gods. They wanted to reduce people to
nothing. They wanted to prevent them from becoming free
spiritually. They were often nasty and diabolical. Most of
these gods are no longer around as "gods." I don't know of any
who are still around. They have been cast down and put into
human bodies -- that fate is just too since they got for
themselves what they desired for others.
Yet the game isn't over until these false gods are restored. If
a particular one can't be restored, another one will be found to
take his place; but once Israel (the original 144,000) has
succeeded, they will withdraw and the earth will be restored
with the proper original spiritual authority back in place.
Micah 4:5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his
god, and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God for ever
and ever.
Take the story of Babel. I believe there were people living
everywhere in the world then. What was the big deal then about
the descendants of Noah staying in one place? They were to
spread out across the earth and "subdue" it. The seventy
nations from Noah correspond to seventy groups of mankind
globally. Thus the Jews say that it was not "God" by Himself
who "came down" to see what was going on. No, "the LORD" came
down with the seventy angels of the nations. It was not some
unilateral decree, but a consulting among them all. The
seventy guardian angels of the nations decided it was best to
take action to scatter them.
Before that, who or what caused the flood? We read "God" did
it, but "God" is a fluid term. I say the false gods still had
enough power to do it and they did it by promoting black magic
among the descendants of Adam. I would also say that there
was a vote in Heaven, and it was decided it was best to let the
earth be overwhelmed temporarily by the forces of darkness so
the wicked could be removed. When the Bible says God did
something, it's hard to say who or what was the direct agent.
All we can say is that nothing happens which cannot be said to
against God's will. When men do evil, that serves God's plan
since it is a way of teaching men about things. You can tell a
child not to play with fire; but if words fail and if he does,
letting him get burned will work. "Go ahead then, play with
fire." God can be indulgent with His children, even when they
wish to play with fire. That's okay. No permanent damage is
done.
Now this again:
[quote]What if we, you and I and the other guy, are to be One
with the Creator in the creation of man in the image of God and
it was this that God was saying in Gen 1:26? [/quote]
In the future, yes. When satan falls like lightning and our
spiritual nature is restored, I'd say this is true. The job is
to get to the point where "the satan" can rise to Heaven in
order to be cast out. As long as we are tied up by trivial
sins which weigh us down, we are not apt to see "the satan" in
us. This means we cannot stand in Heaven. When the Blessed
One perceives we are ready to be judged, then "the satan"
appears in Heaven. The verdict is predictable and almost known
for sure -- since the person about to be judged will be
pronounced innocent. It is possible to fail, but there is no
excuse for it.
If someone has the satan cast out, I would say he has the keys
given to Peter.
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