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Remembering Things Forgotten
By: coldwar Date: June 9, 2013, 8:02 am
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Do you ever find that when you've been a Christian for a long
time, (like almost 40 years in my case) you sometimes forget
things? I just read Hebrews 10, and will post the first bit -
Heb. 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come,
and not the very image of the things, can never with those
sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the
comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased
to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should
have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices
there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it
is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take
away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith,
Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou
prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou
hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume
of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8
Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings
and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure
therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I
come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he
may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are
sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once
for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and
offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take
away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice
for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From
henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are
sanctified.
I had forgotten that God forgets sin! In the old system, sins
were remembered every year, and sacrifices were made to take
care of that - but only for another year when sins were
remembered again.
In the new system of the church, nothing changed - in fact sins
are remembered more often than every year - sins are remembered
every Sunday (or Saturday depending on which day your church
observes). In liturgical churches, a priest says a prayer at
every gathering that goes like this - "We have left undone those
things which we ought to have done; and we have done those
things which we ought not to have done; and there is nothing
good in us. O Lord, have mercy upon us, miserable offenders."
In non-liturgical churches, it's done another way - through
preaching. Preachers love to make the flock squirm by preaching
about sin.
But in God's true new system of the Holy Spirit, God forgets
sin. The sin of the world is taken away, and in we which are
sanctified now, through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ
once, for all, sin is taken away so effectively that God does
not remember our sins! Therefore, we once purged should have had
no more conscience of sins, because if we do, then we are not
really under the New Covenant.
I had forgotten about what God has forgotten about!
1 Cor. 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of
the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are
not your own?
We know from the old system that God cannot touch anything that
is defiled or unholy, and He made 266 rules designed to keep His
covenant people from all defilement also. So how can it be now
that the Holy Spirit - God, actually inhabits our very bodies -
permanently? It is because of that once, for all sacrifice of
Jesus, our very bodies are so cleansed from sin - the sin of the
whole world is taken away - that God in His Holy Spirit does not
see, or even remember, the sin which was once in our members,
but no longer is. Praise GOD!
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Re: Remembering Things Forgotten
By: Runner Date: June 9, 2013, 9:21 am
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AMEN!!! What an excellent word Dave. I wonder how many preachers
are preaching that through out the world! Maybe the churches
would be happier, freer and fuller if that were the case.
That gave my Sunday a good start. 8)
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Re: Remembering Things Forgotten
By: Mike Date: June 9, 2013, 2:09 pm
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If we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of
the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a
certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation,
which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or
three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall
he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of
God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he
was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the
Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I
will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge
his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
(Who would appear from this passage to be far from forgetful of
sin)
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Re: Remembering Things Forgotten
By: coldwar Date: June 9, 2013, 2:17 pm
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Aw Mike - do ya have to spoil everything? ;D
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Re: Remembering Things Forgotten
By: Mike Date: June 10, 2013, 12:00 am
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Good on yer Dave, you took that in good heart which cues me for
my ‘hobby horse’.
I do not believe that God intends New Covenant Christianity to
be text book led and your chosen passage from Hebrews
conflicting with my chosen passage (also from Hebrews) perfectly
illustrates my conviction.
From scriptures which unquestionably exist you and Helen are
what is called Universal Reconciliationists, from scriptures
which unquestionably exist some believe God will torment many
eternally in hellfire, and from scriptures which unquestionably
exist Amadeus is an Annihilationist with my inclination tending
likewise.
I’m the sort of person that has to draw a conclusion from such
ambiguity and my conclusion is that the Bible is not intended by
God to lead New Covenant Christianity by Text Book prescription.
I respect God enough to conclude that if such was his intention
then he would not have made such an awful job of doing so.
That is a trifle irreverent but I say it because I believe God
uses our ‘man made’ Bible (in the form which man determined
centuries after God launched His Spirit led Church at Pentecost)
as one of many means from which to ‘speak’ into the hearts of
believers, such as they each uniquely ‘need to know’ moment by
moment along their walk of faith.
IOW it is a menu from which God will chose the meal with which
He wishes to feed us.
And, for my part, I read that ‘menu’ and find that some parts of
some dishes suit my palate whilst others do not.
I lovingly recommend that we all do likewise and stand by
nothing stronger than an ‘inclination’ when expressing our
preference for things like Universal Reconciliation,
Annihilation, or Eternal Hellfire.
One of us may be partly right and I cling to my trust that I
will one day meet Christ face to face and then shall I know,
even as I am known.
Jolting us into such ‘open mindedness’ was my objective in
“spoiling everything”
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Re: Remembering Things Forgotten
By: Amadeus Date: June 10, 2013, 8:01 am
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[font=courier]God may be willing and able to "forget", but when
it comes to us and our own mistakes, we are not. If we can come
to, or be brought to, a place where we no longer remember our
mistakes, then perhaps we will not make those same mistakes
again.[/font]
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Re: Remembering Things Forgotten
By: Mike Date: June 10, 2013, 8:53 am
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=528.msg5049#msg5049
date=1370869311]
[font=courier]God may be willing and able to "forget", but when
it comes to us and our own mistakes, we are not. If we can come
to, or be brought to, a place where we no longer remember our
mistakes, then perhaps we will not make those same mistakes
again.[/font]
[/quote]
Hi John,
That's a bit off the track that I was on, but that doesn't mean
I disagree with what you say.
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Re: Remembering Things Forgotten
By: coldwar Date: June 10, 2013, 9:05 am
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I lovingly recommend that we all do likewise and stand by
nothing stronger than an ‘inclination’ when expressing our
preference for things like Universal Reconciliation,
Annihilation, or Eternal Hellfire.
One of us may be partly right and I cling to my trust that I
will one day meet Christ face to face and then shall I know,
even as I am known.
Actually Mike, I don't think my OP has anything to do with any
of these. Simply stated, for the believer, God forgets our sins
in a way that we are not able to.
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Re: Remembering Things Forgotten
By: Mike Date: June 10, 2013, 9:11 am
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[quote author=coldwar link=topic=528.msg5054#msg5054
date=1370873102]
I lovingly recommend that we all do likewise and stand by
nothing stronger than an ‘inclination’ when expressing our
preference for things like Universal Reconciliation,
Annihilation, or Eternal Hellfire.
One of us may be partly right and I cling to my trust that I
will one day meet Christ face to face and then shall I know,
even as I am known.
Actually Mike, I don't think my OP has anything to do with any
of these. Simply stated, for the believer, God forgets our sins
in a way that we are not able to.
[/quote]
"If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive
them".
I can buy into that, Dave.
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Re: Remembering Things Forgotten
By: George Date: June 10, 2013, 9:22 am
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=528.msg5049#msg5049
date=1370869311]
[font=courier]God may be willing and able to "forget", but when
it comes to us and our own mistakes, we are not. If we can come
to, or be brought to, a place where we no longer remember our
mistakes, then perhaps we will not make those same mistakes
again.[/font]
[/quote]
I am not sure I follow you here John. It would seem that one
must first realize there mistakes, and that it would be equally
important to remember those mistakes as so we do not slip into
repeating the same mistake. Are you referring to a different
type of remembrance than to what I just stated?
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