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Re: Site Content.
By: George Date: April 24, 2013, 12:34 am
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=476.msg4609#msg4609
date=1366773449]
[font=courier]Undoubtedly much comes from people's imaginations
but where do the contents of their imaginations originate?
[/quote]
Things that they have heard or like I mentioned that what
comforts self.
[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=476.msg4609#msg4609
date=1366773449]
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Also much of what it taught is in error, but because of this you
can conclude what?... that no God exists, that Christianity can
have no real basis?
[/quote]
I cannot conclude that there is no God! I can conclude that
Christendom is a confused religion of lost people some seeking
that what is thought to be Good (God) and others seeking to
profit off of the blind believer.
[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=476.msg4609#msg4609
date=1366773449]
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George, I can witness to you and undoubtedly I have previously,
but I know that until a fertile seed is there, I am effectively
wasting my breath. I cannot put that seed in you and God will
not put it you just to satisfy your curiosity. He will not just
to satisfy whatever it is that you want to feed, because your
approach is wrong. I won't quote scriptures at you because you
have almost certainly heard them before. No one can open your
ears to the things of God, but God and you have apparently given
Him no reason to do so.[/font]
[/quote]
If this be the case I wonder why Jesus is said to have told his
disciples to go a proclaim the good news, if the truth is that
only God can open ones ears? If I proclaim something as true
then I can provide evidence of what I claim. Otherwise it would
not be true for anyone but myself. Like the fisherman who comes
back and says "man I caught a fish this big!" And you say wow
brother where is it at? then he says "He is in the pond, I threw
him back" Now you can't go and tell your wife that your buddy
caught a fish this big, you never seen it. You can say he
claimed it and you believe him. That still doesn't make it true,
without evidence then you are just taking his word.
Now maybe there are some Christians who have heard the voice of
God and know from first hand experience, If not I ask who's
words are you taking as truth?
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Re: Site Content.
By: Amadeus Date: April 24, 2013, 10:19 pm
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[quote]Amadeus:Undoubtedly much comes from people's imaginations
but where do the contents of their imaginations originate?
[/quote]
[quote]George: Things that they have heard or like I mentioned
that what comforts self.[/quote]
[font=courier]There is always another answer if that is what you
are looking for...[/font]
[Quote]Amadeus:
Also much of what it taught is in error, but because of this you
can conclude what?... that no God exists, that Christianity can
have no real basis?[/quote]
[quote]George: I cannot conclude that there is no God! I can
conclude that Christendom is a confused religion of lost people
some seeking that what is thought to be Good (God) and others
seeking to profit off of the blind believer.[/quote]
[font=courier]As long as you understand that "Christendom" as
you name it, the confused place, Babylon, is not the abode of
those who really love the truth (God's truth). The number who
really do may be small, but they are not non-existent and their
confusion is diminishing. [/font]
[quote]George: If this be the case I wonder why Jesus is said to
have told his disciples to go a proclaim the good news, if the
truth is that only God can open ones ears?[/quote]
[font=courier]God does speak through people and God does open
ears through the words that He speaks through people. How many
deaf or resistant ears do you suppose Jesus in the flesh spoke
to 2000 years ago? [/font]
[quote]George: If I proclaim something as true then I can
provide evidence of what I claim. Otherwise it would not be true
for anyone but myself. Like the fisherman who comes back and
says "man I caught a fish this big!" And you say wow brother
where is it at? then he says "He is in the pond, I threw him
back" Now you can't go and tell your wife that your buddy caught
a fish this big, you never seen it. You can say he claimed it
and you believe him. That still doesn't make it true, without
evidence then you are just taking his word.[/quote]
[font=courier]Do you really believe that if there is a God He
must fit into the box you build for Him? Many bearing the label
Christian do the same thing and end up in delusion. I have been
there myself.[/font]
[quote]George: Now maybe there are some Christians who have
heard the voice of God and know from first hand experience, If
not I ask who's words are you taking as truth?[/quote]
[font=courier] "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my
sheep, as I said unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"
John 10:26-27
So how does a person become one of His sheep? [/font]
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Re: Site Content.
By: George Date: April 24, 2013, 10:56 pm
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=476.msg4632#msg4632
date=1366859949]
[font=courier]There is always another answer if that is what you
are looking for...[/font]
[/size] [/font]
[/quote]
Yes there is, how does one know when they have the correct
answer?
[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=476.msg4632#msg4632
date=1366859949]
[font=courier]As long as you understand that "Christendom" as
you name it, [/font]
[/quote]
From my understanding this is the original title of the
Christian movement, While it was the enemies of Jesus Christ who
first call his followers Christians, it is my understanding that
the religion was called Christendom.
[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=476.msg4632#msg4632
date=1366859949]
[font=courier]Do you really believe that if there is a God He
must fit into the box you build for Him? Many bearing the label
Christian do the same thing and end up in delusion. I have been
there myself.[/font][/quote]
By this do you mean fit into my box that to believe there need
be evidence? What box am I trying to fit God in?
[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=476.msg4632#msg4632
date=1366859949]
[font=courier] "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my
sheep, as I said unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"
John 10:26-27
So how does a person become one of His sheep? [/font]
[/quote]
If I am to take this scripture literally I would expect to hear
his voice.
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Re: Site Content.
By: Amadeus Date: April 25, 2013, 3:21 pm
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[quote]There is always another answer if that is what you are
looking for...[/quote]
[quote]George: Yes there is, how does one know when they have
the correct answer? [/quote]
[font=courier]I am not carrying this conversation to its dead
end. It seems that you are already there.[/font]
[Quote]Amadeus:
As long as you understand that "Christendom" as you name it,
[/quote]
[quote]George: From my understanding this is the original title
of the Christian movement, While it was the enemies of Jesus
Christ who first call his followers Christians, it is my
understanding that the religion was called Christendom.[/quote]
[font=courier]In what language was that? [/font]
[Quote]Amadeus:
Do you really believe that if there is a God He must fit into
the box you build for Him? Many bearing the label Christian do
the same thing and end up in delusion. I have been there
myself.[/quote]
[quote]George: By this do you mean fit into my box that to
believe there need be evidence? What box am I trying to fit God
in?[/quote]
No answer for you.
[Quote]Amadeus:
"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said
unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"
John 10:26-27
So how does a person become one of His sheep? [/quote]
[quote] George: If I am to take this scripture literally I would
expect to hear his voice. [/quote]
[font=courier]Take it any way you like, as you have your own
answers already. I only have mine. [/font]
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Re: Site Content.
By: George Date: April 26, 2013, 12:30 am
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=476.msg4650#msg4650
date=1366921293]
[font=courier]In what language was that? [/font]
[/quote]
I could put it as blunt as you and say "No answer for you" or if
you are really interested then do some research. I will not be
so straight forward and will help to provide evidence of what I
am saying.
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christendom
The term cristendom existed in Old English
It is even still a word that is used today. Via a Catholic
school
HTML http://www.christendom.edu/
HTML http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Christendom
Chris·ten·dom (krsn-dm)
n.
1. Christians considered as a group.
2. The Christian world.
HTML http://www.creeds.net/
HTML http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1272403/Christendom
major reference
TITLE: Roman Catholicism
SECTION: The concept of Christendom
By the 10th century the religious and cultural community
known as Christendom had come into being and was poised to enter
a prolonged period of growth and expansion. Important progress
had taken place well before this period, however. Beginning in
the last years of the Roman Empire, the central institutions of
medieval Catholic Christianity had gradually evolved, laying the
foundation for the...
There is plenty of information out there on the word
Christendom.
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Re: Site Content.
By: Mike Date: April 26, 2013, 12:52 am
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The way I read Amadeus' comment was that he was asking in what
language was it written that " the original title of the
Christian movement ......the enemies of Jesus Christ first call
his followers Christians".
And I think I understand why it was that he asked that.
Surely the word 'Christendom' originated much later and was not
what he was referring to.
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Re: Site Content.
By: Kerry Date: April 26, 2013, 1:07 am
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Was it the enemies of Jesus who first called people Christians?
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Re: Site Content.
By: George Date: April 26, 2013, 1:12 am
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=476.msg4664#msg4664
date=1366956474]
Was it the enemies of Jesus who first called people Christians?
[/quote]
It is my understanding that the people of Antioch were not
Followers of Jesus, rather that during the persecution the
followers of Jesus had scattered as far as Antioch, not
spreading the gospel to anyone but the Jews. Is this not the
case?
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Re: Site Content.
By: Mike Date: April 26, 2013, 1:31 am
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Here's Wikipedia from which I can see why Goerge choose the
'enemies of Christ' angle:-
The first recorded use of the term (or its cognates in other
languages) is in the New Testament, in Acts 11:26, after
Barnabas brought Saul (Paul) to Antioch where they taught the
disciples for about a year, the text says: "the disciples were
called Christians first in Antioch."
The second mention of the term follows in Acts 26:28, where
Herod Agrippa II replied to Paul the Apostle, "Then Agrippa said
unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian."
The third and final New Testament reference to the term is in 1
Peter 4:16, which exhorts believers: "Yet if [any man suffer] as
a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on
this behalf."
All three original New Testament verses' usages reflect a
derisive element in the term Christian to refer to followers of
Christ who did not acknowledge the emperor of Rome.
The city of Antioch, where someone gave them the name
Christians, had a reputation for coming up with such nicknames.
However Peter's apparent endorsement of the term led to its
being preferred over "Nazarenes" and the term Christianoi from 1
Peter becomes the standard term in the Early Church Fathers from
Ignatius and Polycarp onwards.
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Re: Site Content.
By: Kerry Date: April 26, 2013, 1:51 am
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How do we read "disciples" in that passage from Acts? The word
means pupils, learners, disciples. People who are disciplined
under someone else. They were being taught by Barnabas and
Paul.
Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto
Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled
themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the
disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
They were students under discipline. Or you could say they
took the discipline of the yoke of Christ on them. I don't see
that it says enemies of Jesus called them that. Perhaps so, but
I don't see it.
The Apostles didn't start out as leaders. They too were first
disciples or students. That's my take on it. I don't see the
negativity in Agrippa's comment either. I see it as a
straightforward use of the word. Just because he was a pagan
doesn't mean he was using the word disparagingly.
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