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The 'Accuser of our brethren'?
By: Mike Date: March 20, 2013, 12:32 pm
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It is interesting to note that Satan’s original ploy was to
question what Eve believed.
“Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field
which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea,
hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of
the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is
in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of
it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die.”
Is it now any different thousands of years down the
line?…..until such time as we hear:-
“a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and
strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his
Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which
accused them before our God day and night.”
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Re: The 'Accuser of our brethren'?
By: Kerry Date: March 20, 2013, 12:59 pm
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It is also perhaps worth noting that the trick worked only
because Eve wanted to believe it. She had no real reason to
believe it, but she wanted to believe it.
She had already gone somewhat astray by misunderstanding what
God had said. She was not told touching the fruit or tree
could kill her. She made that up. Invented it.
If God is speaking to us, are we hearing right? That's what I
wonder about. It seems a logical conclusion to me that if we
don't hear the Voice of God right, we may fall later for what
the serpent tells us.
Should we ever believe things for no reason at all just because
someone says something? Healthy relationships can be broken up
by rumors. Once we get suspicious of someone else --- the way
Eve was willing to suspect God of lying -- who knows what
mischievous things we may believe? When someone tells us
something, no matter how alarming it may be, we should not
react out of emotion. It may not be true. It's not safe to
act on such things as if they are true.
So in a way, wasn't Eve's first mistake a lack of faith in the
goodness of God? First she didn't take what He said seriously
-- she changed what He had said into something else. Then she
thought He was lying.
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Re: The 'Accuser of our brethren'?
By: Leaf Date: March 20, 2013, 3:00 pm
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^Great thoughts.
Just wanted to add these verses to the doubting done by the
accuser:
Luke 4:3
And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command
this stone that it be made bread.
Luke 4:9
And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of
the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast
thyself down from hence:
The accuser has never stopped because the intent (to cause us to
doubt God's goodness and to question this) is very effective.
Many have been tricked and tripped over it. We must be ever
watchful and not be unaware of the deceiver's tricks.
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Re: The 'Accuser of our brethren'?
By: Amadeus Date: March 21, 2013, 9:24 am
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[quote]Kerry: If God is speaking to us, are we hearing right?
That's what I wonder about. It seems a logical conclusion to
me that if we don't hear the Voice of God right, we may fall
later for what the serpent tells us.[/quote]
[font=courier]Very probably not hearing God right has a lot to
do with the literally thousands of different denominations and
beliefs that exist... all supposedly based on the Bible.
Mike, how many different beliefs are there about the story of
that first disobedience in the garden? You believe in one, but
does every believer, even among members of this forum, agree
with you on every point? If not, why not? Are not all men liars
and God alone always the speaker of Truth? When we disagree with
another believer, are we not an accuser of the brethren? All men
may not always be as blunt in their lies as the serpent in the
garden, but are they not liars nonetheless. Where would any of
us be without the mercy of God?[/font]
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Re: The 'Accuser of our brethren'?
By: Kerry Date: March 21, 2013, 10:04 am
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=442.msg4254#msg4254
date=1363875867]
[quote]Kerry: If God is speaking to us, are we hearing right?
That's what I wonder about. It seems a logical conclusion to
me that if we don't hear the Voice of God right, we may fall
later for what the serpent tells us.[/quote]
Very probably not hearing God right has a lot to do with the
literally thousands of different denominations and beliefs that
exist... all supposedly based on the Bible. [/quote]
Oh surely! Then we have to ask if we blame Eve for not hearing
right and then hearing the serpent, where does that put us?
Have we judged ourselves if we judge her? Can we pass the
buck the way she and Adam tried to do and say, "We would hear
better if it hadn't been for her."
Maybe we could blame them for something, but it does us no good.
Assigning blame never fixed anything.
It is better to seek what we can do right or better ourselves.
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Re: The 'Accuser of our brethren'?
By: Amadeus Date: March 21, 2013, 8:50 pm
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[quote]Kerry: Oh surely! Then we have to ask if we blame Eve
for not hearing right and then hearing the serpent, where does
that put us? Have we judged ourselves if we judge her? Can
we pass the buck the way she and Adam tried to do and say, "We
would hear better if it hadn't been for her."
Maybe we could blame them for something, but it does us no good.
Assigning blame never fixed anything.
It is better to seek what we can do right or better
ourselves.[/quote]
[font=courier]"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy
brother's [or... sister Eve's] eye, but considerest not the beam
that is in thine own eye?
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother [or.. sister Eve], Let me
pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in
thine own eye?
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy
brother's (or... sister Eve's) eye" Matt 7:3-5
In fact, our immediate parents have had some influence on how we
turned out, the evil as well as the good, but not all syblings
come out the same. Some go for the good and some go for the
evil. Most of them probably end up somewhere in between. Is
blaming our parents different than blaming a devil?[/font]
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Re: The 'Accuser of our brethren'?
By: thelowlyfisherman Date: March 25, 2013, 1:20 pm
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It is sure working in the U.S. these days. Its a sad thing to
watch.
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Re: The 'Accuser of our brethren'?
By: Amadeus Date: March 25, 2013, 7:57 pm
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[quote]thelowlyfisherman: It is sure working in the U.S. these
days. Its a sad thing to watch.[/quote]
[font=courier]If you are referring to our loved and hated
President, it is sad indeed. If Obama is as bad as some say, why
is it that he has the office? The answer, considering scripture,
to me is a very sad one. I have loved and do love this country.
Yet, in my lifetime, I have seen it diminish.[/font]
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Re: The 'Accuser of our brethren'?
By: thelowlyfisherman Date: March 29, 2013, 12:34 pm
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Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
When you introduce corruption on a large scale, the good
intentions of the Founders are lost.
Anyway, back on topic. We have to be very careful with our
attitudes and how we express ourselves (yeah, I really said
that). First we don't want to be the stumbling block, and second
we don't want to be the one to point at those who have fallen,
as though we are somehow righteous with-in ourselves. We are
not! We are to encourage the fallen. Even worse, we are not to
pass judgement based on our own wrong minded attitudes and
condemn the innocent. That is the ultimate, in accusations
against the brethren.
I must confess its a fine line that I sometimes have trouble
with. Especially when its comes to those who take their grace
and lord it over others, and themselves become accusers of the
brethren. Sorry folks, that job is taken, every bit as much as
"Redeemer". We are going to find ourselves lined up behind one
or the other, though.
Lord Jesus, help me to follow you.
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