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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law -- Aleister Crow
ley
By: Kerry Date: February 5, 2013, 10:05 pm
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The infamous magician, Aleister Crowley, often shocked people
and often got misunderstood. What did he mean by this shocking
statement? The Wiccans have a similar statement with a
qualification, "Do as you will but harm you none."
The Wiccans seem to have developed their ideas less fully than
Crowley. Crowley said that man had a true will and a false
will. The true will of a person never wishes to injure others
or manipulate them. The true will of man is benevolent and
loving. The problem, according to Crowley, is that people do
not do what they truly want to do.
While in theory, I agree with the Wiccan saying, in practice, I
think Wiccans can sometime err by thinking their freedom is
boundless; and if they can't see the harm, they think it must be
safe to do. I think it is easy to convince ourselves too that
something is not injuring others if we want to do it.
So back to Crowley. He said that two people who were expressing
their true wills could not conflict or quarrel. That leads to
the conclusion that in any conflict between two people, at
least one person must be operating on the false will, and maybe
both are.
Can we see now how the innocent child who wants to love and be
loved gets corrupted? The child operating on his true will runs
smack dab into someone operating on his false will. The child
will begin to wonder if he can express the true will in this
world. It looks as if love doesn't work. If you smack a child
down (or any loving person for that matter) enough times or hard
enough, eventually he's probably going to begin to wonder if
love works. At that point, he's tempted to fall into the false
will. Thus evil is contagious.
The way out of this mess is to resolve firmly never to succumb
again to the temptation of the false will. If someone is wicked
and using his false will, why should you become like him and
join that misery? If you are going to be miserable, you might
as well be miserable as a loving person, true to the nature God
gave you.
When we see angry or manipulative people operating on the false
will in non-loving ways, we should realize they too once were
innocent and loving people -- but they gave up on it. The
world crushed them. Do not allow that to happen. I tell you
that you should be ready to take on the whole world if
necessary. Even if the whole world was hateful, we should not
let it sway us. Is that arrogance to think you might be able
to take on the whole world if need be and win? I don't think
so, not if your motive is love. It is also a recognition of
the facts -- God made us loving creatures, so why pretend
otherwise? So what if the world seems like a lunatic asylum
filled with people doing things they don't really want to do?
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Re: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law -- Aleister
Crowley
By: Laurie Date: February 6, 2013, 8:25 am
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^ Really like that.
It brought to my mind the phrase, "Survival of the
Fittest".....and how the commonly held view of that phrase is
backwards.
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Re: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law -- Aleister
Crowley
By: Kerry Date: February 6, 2013, 7:43 pm
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[quote author=Laurie link=topic=385.msg3653#msg3653
date=1360160723]
^ Really like that.
It brought to my mind the phrase, "Survival of the
Fittest".....and how the commonly held view of that phrase is
backwards.
[/quote]Care to go into that more, Laurie? I think I may
understand what you mean (appearances really can be deceiving),
but I'm not sure. You may have insight I would find helpful.
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Re: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law -- Aleister
Crowley
By: Laurie Date: February 7, 2013, 6:29 am
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You probably understand what I meant, Kerry....but, I'll try to
explain.
It seems to me that nowadays that a lot of people view the term
'survival of the fittest' differently than it was first
introduced as a sort of scientific metaphor....and that
non-scientific view is what I was questioning.
In my neck of the woods... :) ...I've heard it used, umm, I
guess in a social way? KWIM?
I see some of those who you say are operating on the false will
who obviously think humility, compassion, patience, mercy,
kindness, etc are signs of weakness.
It seems the 'fittest' are often thought to be those who are in
control...because of authority, money, physical strength, tough
attitude, etc. Those with that mindset would probably think it
unrealistic to think operating in love can win anything.
Not me, though. I think the prize is the ability to love.
Hope that all made sense....off to work I go.
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Re: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law -- Aleister
Crowley
By: Kerry Date: February 7, 2013, 6:47 pm
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That reminds me of this is from the Tao Te Ching.
All streams flow to the sea
because it is lower than they are.
Humility gives it its power.
If you want to govern the people,
you must place yourself below them.
If you want to lead the people,
you must learn how to follow them.
The Master is above the people,
and no one feels oppressed.
She goes ahead of the people,
and no one feels manipulated.
The whole world is grateful to her.
Because she competes with no one,
no one can compete with her.
There's another section about how water "wins" against the rock
because the rock is not fluid. It can be worn away. The wind
can knock over stiff things but other things bend, going with
the flow.
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Re: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law -- Aleister
Crowley
By: Laurie Date: February 8, 2013, 5:04 am
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That fits nicely.
Would you agree that someone operating in false will mode could
be said to be operating according to the carnal, earthy, nature
of the beast on some level?
When I hear someone talk of the self needing to die....I think
of the self as being that nature which wants to be the 'alpha'.
:D
I think it probably impossible to recognize that adversary, much
less defeat it, without the aid of the power of the Holy Spirit.
Your OP also reminded me of something over 30 years ago.
My oldest daughter was a little over a year old and had never
'socialized' much with other kids her age.
A neighbor came to visit with her little boy....not much older
than my daughter.
My daughter was so excited to see a little one to play
with....she dragged out her toy box to share and play together.
The little boy climbed into the toy box and when my daughter
came near he would shake his fist and yell, "NO!"
His mom just laughed....my daughter looked a little shocked.
I wonder how that boy's life progressed.
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Re: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law -- Aleister
Crowley
By: Kerry Date: February 8, 2013, 3:42 pm
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[quote author=Laurie link=topic=385.msg3664#msg3664
date=1360321459]
That fits nicely.
Would you agree that someone operating in false will mode could
be said to be operating according to the carnal, earthy, nature
of the beast on some level?[/quote]
Yes, and Aleister Crowley terrorized Christians by calling
himself "The Beast" and going by the number "666." If you get
to the bottom of what he was saying however, he was
acknowledging the beast and saying there is a state beyond that.
In one place it says "every drop of blood" must be placed in
the cup of the Lady from Babylon so she can get drunk on it
--offered up as a sacrifice.
I would say both good and evil must be offered up as a
sacrifice. And what is impure can be consecrated by fire and
salt. Salt of course has 12 sides or edges, just as the Holy
City does, and just as the human heart has twelve gates.
There is more than one way to read Genesis where Adam is told to
exercise dominion over all the beasts. It is still the job that
needs to be done.
[quote]When I hear someone talk of the self needing to die....I
think of the self as being that nature which wants to be the
'alpha'. :D
I think it probably impossible to recognize that adversary, much
less defeat it, without the aid of the power of the Holy
Spirit.[/quote]Yes, separating out the "false self" from the
"true self" is rather hard to do when one is already deceived
by the "false self" masquerading as the true self.
[quote]Your OP also reminded me of something over 30 years ago.
My oldest daughter was a little over a year old and had never
'socialized' much with other kids her age.
A neighbor came to visit with her little boy....not much older
than my daughter.
My daughter was so excited to see a little one to play
with....she dragged out her toy box to share and play together.
The little boy climbed into the toy box and when my daughter
came near he would shake his fist and yell, "NO!"
His mom just laughed....my daughter looked a little shocked.
I wonder how that boy's life progressed.[/quote]I wonder what
direction the mother's life went. That she laughed inclines me
to think she pushed in that direction. We can hope the boy
grew up and learned better; but what about the mother? But
then, I wonder how she was reared? What kind of parents did she
have? So many people walk around, not knowing what they're
doing. Her child could have a blessing and a joy to her; but
her attitude seems to have prevented that.
I understand returning good for good and even evil for evil. I
understand too the value of returning good for evil; but what
about people who return evil for good? The parent who crushes
the loving nature in a child seems unable to accept love from
others. It's as if they are so convinced that love is
impossible, it's not safe to believe someone could love them --
so crushed by the world, they no longer are willing to trust
anyone. I can't condemn them, but I think it's a waste of time
trying to convince them that love is possible. It seems to me
that it may be adding to their sins if you keep doing good to
them and let them keeping doing evil back.
There appears to be a state that views good and love as threats.
In that state, the beast is in control. The "real person"
appears to be missing.
Talking to the beast as if it's real tends to give it power.
Like the woman who wanted to kill her boyfriend and told me
she'd stab me if I didn't get out of the way. The beast
talking. If I had believed in the beast and talked to it,
someone could have wound up dead. It didn't fool me. I told
her she didn't want to kill me, and I knew it. And she didn't
want to kill me. And she knew it. But I was talking to the
"real person" and not to the beast. Even in a drunken rage, I
could get to the "real person." It took intention, to be sure.
Even if she had stabbed me, I wouldn't believe it was really
what she wanted to do.
I knew a woman at college who talked a man out of raping her.
She wasn't fazed and told him she knew he didn't really want to
do it; and he didn't. I have a feeling she changed his life
for the better, too, by showing him someone had faith in the
real him and not the angry beast. She didn't talk about
religion or God when telling me about it; but surely she had
faith in the good nature of people. The beast didn't fool her.
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