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The Star
By: James Date: November 30, 2012, 11:22 am
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for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship
him.
What knowledge did these men have?
Does anyone know of some book that would have told them to
follow a star, I can't believe it was the bible such as it was,
since they seemed to think it meant a real king and thus they go
to Herod.
Just wondering.
James
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Re: The Star
By: Kerry Date: November 30, 2012, 1:28 pm
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[quote author=James link=topic=245.msg2224#msg2224
date=1354296175]
for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship
him.
What knowledge did these men have?
Does anyone know of some book that would have told them to
follow a star, I can't believe it was the bible such as it was,
since they seemed to think it meant a real king and thus they go
to Herod.[/quote]
First of all, could it have been a physical star? If so, why
couldn't Herod follow it himself to find Jesus? Suppose Herod
had seen it and didn't know what it meant. After being told, he
then could followed it himself and wouldn't have needed the magi
at all. That tells me it was not a physical star but a
spiritual Star which the magi saw with spiritual sight. We also
read that an angel appeared in a dream to them, telling me they
had spiritual sight.
The text also says Herod asked them when the star first
appeared. If he or others in his court had seen it, wouldn't
he know? Why ask them?
Stars also do not move as described. Verse 9 says that after
leaving Herod, they again saw the star which went before them
and came to rest over the house where Jesus was. This does not
sound like a physical star to me. It sounds like the spiritual
star described by Balaam.
Numbers 24:17 I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him,
but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a
Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of
Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.
As wise men, they would have known what a spiritual star meant
when they saw it. While it cannot be proved, these wise men
could have been descendants of the sons of Abraham who were sent
to the East. Even today magicians believe that each man has a
star or is a star. For most people however, this star is not
with them, having deserted them. It can be far away.
Jesus was born with his body and soul's communication with his
Star intact, and he never lost it. That connecting line was
never severed. With other men, some may be born with it; but
they are apt to lose it sometime. Some never do connect with
the part of themselves that "shines" in the firmament.
What does Daniel mean when he says the righteous will shine like
stars? Anything the Star accomplishes on earth through the body
and soul are part of its record -- and righteous deeds are laid
up like treasures in Heaven. They are part of the splendor of
that Star. Paul does not go into detail about it much; but he
mentions it in 1 Corinthians 15. It is connected with the
resurrection; but Paul only hints at it. Peter only hints at
it too when talking about the "day star."
It's a matter of interpretation what kind of stars are meant in
Genesis 1. I believe they are spiritual stars of the kind
Joseph saw in a dream.
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Re: The Star
By: Runner Date: November 30, 2012, 3:35 pm
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Very good interpretation Kerry....never in my life had I thought
of it anything but literal!!! LOL :)
Now to share it with Dave! ........thanks ......H
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Re: The Star
By: Kerry Date: November 30, 2012, 5:41 pm
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[quote author=Runner link=topic=245.msg2227#msg2227
date=1354311305]
Very good interpretation Kerry....never in my life had I thought
of it anything but literal!!! LOL :)
Now to share it with Dave! ........thanks ......H[/quote]Glad
you liked it. It is a problem for the literalist interpretation
why Herod couldn't follow the star himself, isn't it?
What a foxy thing to do what he did. Trying to use the
spiritual gifts of the wisemen for his own malicious purposes.
"You go find him since I can't, and use your spiritual sight,
and then come tell me." If there is anything I find vile,
it's when someone tries to use good things meant for good
purposes to accomplish evil.
What can you do with that? We can understand how men return
evil for evil, and some men good for good; and we even can
understand why we should return good for evil. But what about
someone who returns evil for good or who sees good and wants to
corrupt it?
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Re: The Star
By: laterunner Date: December 1, 2012, 10:43 am
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Didn't the Persians lead the way in Math & the Sciences?
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Re: The Star
By: Kerry Date: December 1, 2012, 11:58 am
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I'd say so. And like the Babylonians, they searched among the
people they conquered for their wise men. They kept whatever
wise men they could from the Babylonians since the book of
Daniel says he prospered under Darius and Cyrus.
Some of their science may not have been so pleasant though.
According to the BBC, a researcher in the UK says the Persians
were probably the first to use poison gas in warfare.
HTML http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7837826.stm
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Re: The Star
By: Runner Date: December 1, 2012, 1:46 pm
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Dave liked the part that you wrote about Herod, but he felt that
it wasn't as much a divine leading, he feels they probably had
writings of their own prophesying the star and a Prince of Peace
being born. (he couldn't tell me where they would have got
these writing though...so thumbs down on that.)
He finally said that it was both... literal and spiritual...
His final word was, tell Kerry not to mess with my star,I want
to keep 'the star' story. :D
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Re: The Star
By: James Date: December 2, 2012, 1:50 am
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Like David< I do like the star story.
I also find I can't ignore the thoughts that you have shared
Kerry, I to had not taken into account that if it was real (or I
should say literal) then anyone could have seen it and also
followed it to the child.
To make it both I would have to say they saw it in the east and
followed but did not realize that thy alone could still see it
when they arrived at Herods court. That way David still has the
best of both worlds :)
Thanks for that Kerry , very good reply.
James
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Re: The Star
By: Kerry Date: December 2, 2012, 8:43 am
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^ Well, there could have been something visible in the sky that
everyone could have seen.
It is said that there was a conjunction of Venus and Jupiter in
the sign of Leo about that time. If the Magi were
knowledgeable in the arts, they could have guessed it could mean
something was happening in Judah. It is said that the
conjunction occurred not only the sign of Leo but at the same
degree the star called Regulus or Cor Leonis is at. People who
had better numbers than I have have run them, and say it is
true.
Regulus means prince or king of course. Cor Leonis means
"heart of the lion." A conjunction there of Jupiter and Venus
may have clued them in to the meaning of the spiritual star.
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