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His followers' duty for God and Jesus
By: meshak Date: May 5, 2023, 7:05 pm
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what is the most important mission for His followers' duty?
what do They want from His servants the most?
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Re: His followers' duty for God and Jesus
By: Bradley D. Stockham Date: May 6, 2023, 11:39 am
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To live the Word and Spread the Word!
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Re: His followers' duty for God and Jesus
By: meshak Date: May 6, 2023, 5:46 pm
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[quote author=Bradley D. Stockham
link=topic=1545.msg33899#msg33899 date=1683391188]
To live the Word and Spread the Word!
[/quote]
thank you Brad.
Yes,
First of all, Jesus says the most important commandment is God
is one.
But we failed to spread that God is one.
We changed to god is triune.
Now the world believes that god is a triune god.
So we need to correct this as much as we can.
We need to warn the churches and the world that worshipping a
false god will not save us.
Satan is pushing a false god.
thank you for your input. :D
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Re: His followers' duty for God and Jesus
By: meshak Date: May 7, 2023, 5:42 pm
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I believe most believers, especially leaders of the churches
know that the triune god is a false god yet it has been treated
like an elephant in the room.
The term false god is a taboo word in the Christian world.
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Re: His followers' duty for God and Jesus
By: meshak Date: May 7, 2023, 5:47 pm
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If you claim that the Triun god is a false god, you will be
named judgemental.
this is the reality of the Christian world.
Good is evil and evil is good.
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Re: His followers' duty for God and Jesus
By: TrevorL Date: May 8, 2023, 2:03 am
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Greetings meshak,[quote author=meshak
link=topic=1545.msg33893#msg33893 date=1683331515]what is the
most important mission for His followers' duty? [/quote]Your use
of the word "mission" seems to indicate that we must do
something, accomplish something. This reminds me of what Jesus
stated:
John 6:28–29 (KJV): 28 Then said they unto him, What shall we
do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and
said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him
whom he hath sent.
This indicates that our duty, our important mission is to
believe on Jesus. We must determine what believing on Jesus
represents. Perhaps we should start near the beginning of his
ministry where he gives a summary of his teaching in Matthew
chapters 5-7. The beginning of this is interesting:
Matthew 5:1–5, 6 .... (KJV): 1 And seeing the multitudes, he
went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came
unto him: 2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying, 3
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven. 4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be
comforted. 5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the
earth. 6 ....
There appears to be some process of sifting here, in that
despite the multitudes, it was a certain class of people that
wanted to draw near to Jesus and listen more closely to what
Jesus was about to teach. And here at the start is a list of
characteristics which define the characteristics that Jesus
desires in his disciples and the blessings that would come upon
them. So to believe on Jesus includes all that Jesus represents,
and also all that Jesus teaches.
We would need to discuss all of his teaching as revealed in
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, but we could mention another
important part of his teaching towards the end of his ministry
and the whole setting is relevant:
Mark 12:28–33 (KJV): 28 And one of the scribes came, and having
heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had
answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of
all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and
with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is
like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
There is none other commandment greater than these. 32 And the
scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth:
for there is one God; and there is none other but he: 33 And to
love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and
with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his
neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and
sacrifices.
All of the above leads into the next question: [quote]what do
They want from His servants the most? [/quote]I like the three
stages of the involvement of the Samaritans with believing on
Jesus. We are introduced to this in the incident of the
Samaritan woman in John 4 and how that she believed but also
many of the Samaritans from her city also believed:
John 4:25–26 (KJV): 25 The woman saith unto him, I know that
Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will
tell us all things. 26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto
thee am he.
John 4:39–42 (KJV): 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city
believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He
told me all that ever I did. 40 So when the Samaritans were come
unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and
he abode there two days. 41 And many more believed because of
his own word; 42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not
because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know
that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
Towards the end of his ministry he sought to visit one of the
cities of Samaria, and they refused to receive Jesus:
Luke 9:51–56 (KJV): 51 And it came to pass, when the time was
come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face
to go to Jerusalem, 52 And sent messengers before his face: and
they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make
ready for him. 53 And they did not receive him, because his face
was as though he would go to Jerusalem. 54 And when his
disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou
that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them,
even as Elias did? 55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said,
Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56 For the Son of
man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And
they went to another village.
But later Philip preached in some of the cities of Samaria, and
the result was that they affectionately believed on Jesus,
accepting the things of the Kingdom of God and Name of Jesus and
were baptised in water, identifying with the death and
resurrection of Jesus.
Acts 8:5–6,12 (KJV): 5 Then Philip went down to the city of
Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. 6 And the people with
one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake,
hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. 12 But when they
believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of
God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men
and women.
Kind regards
Trevor
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Re: His followers' duty for God and Jesus
By: meshak Date: May 8, 2023, 6:42 pm
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[quote author=TrevorL link=topic=1545.msg33926#msg33926
date=1683529383]
Greetings meshak,Your use of the word "mission" seems to
indicate that we must do something, accomplish something. This
reminds me of what Jesus stated:
John 6:28–29 (KJV): 28 Then said they unto him, What shall we
do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and
said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him
whom he hath sent.
This indicates that our duty, our important mission is to
believe on Jesus. We must determine what believing on Jesus
represents. Perhaps we should start near the beginning of his
ministry where he gives a summary of his teaching in Matthew
chapters 5-7. The beginning of this is interesting:
Matthew 5:1–5, 6 .... (KJV): 1 And seeing the multitudes, he
went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came
unto him: 2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying, 3
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven. 4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be
comforted. 5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the
earth. 6 ....
There appears to be some process of sifting here, in that
despite the multitudes, it was a certain class of people that
wanted to draw near to Jesus and listen more closely to what
Jesus was about to teach. And here at the start is a list of
characteristics which define the characteristics that Jesus
desires in his disciples and the blessings that would come upon
them. So to believe on Jesus includes all that Jesus represents,
and also all that Jesus teaches.
We would need to discuss all of his teaching as revealed in
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, but we could mention another
important part of his teaching towards the end of his ministry
and the whole setting is relevant:
Mark 12:28–33 (KJV): 28 And one of the scribes came, and having
heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had
answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of
all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and
with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is
like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
There is none other commandment greater than these. 32 And the
scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth:
for there is one God; and there is none other but he: 33 And to
love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and
with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his
neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and
sacrifices.
All of the above leads into the next question: I like the three
stages of the involvement of the Samaritans with believing on
Jesus. We are introduced to this in the incident of the
Samaritan woman in John 4 and how that she believed but also
many of the Samaritans from her city also believed:
John 4:25–26 (KJV): 25 The woman saith unto him, I know that
Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will
tell us all things. 26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto
thee am he.
John 4:39–42 (KJV): 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city
believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He
told me all that ever I did. 40 So when the Samaritans were come
unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and
he abode there two days. 41 And many more believed because of
his own word; 42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not
because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know
that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
Towards the end of his ministry he sought to visit one of the
cities of Samaria, and they refused to receive Jesus:
Luke 9:51–56 (KJV): 51 And it came to pass, when the time was
come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face
to go to Jerusalem, 52 And sent messengers before his face: and
they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make
ready for him. 53 And they did not receive him, because his face
was as though he would go to Jerusalem. 54 And when his
disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou
that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them,
even as Elias did? 55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said,
Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56 For the Son of
man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And
they went to another village.
But later Philip preached in some of the cities of Samaria, and
the result was that they affectionately believed on Jesus,
accepting the things of the Kingdom of God and Name of Jesus and
were baptised in water, identifying with the death and
resurrection of Jesus.
Acts 8:5–6,12 (KJV): 5 Then Philip went down to the city of
Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. 6 And the people with
one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake,
hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. 12 But when they
believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of
God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men
and women.
Kind regards
Trevor
[/quote]
Our mission for God and Jesus is to spread God's kingdom and how
to obtain it.
Jesus made it clear that the most important commandment is God
is one.
If we don't make it clear or don't know what we are doing as
God's people, our knowledge of everything else is meaningless.
You have been dismissing this elementary principle over and
over.
It seems that your comments are the same as usual, nothing new,
friend.
God is not trinun god. God is one.
My claims are mostly what most of the churches dismiss, meaning
we are neglecting to do our duty as God's people.
That's why I claim it is bogus and corrupt.
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Re: His followers' duty for God and Jesus
By: TrevorL Date: May 9, 2023, 12:01 am
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Greetings again meshak,[quote author=meshak
link=topic=1545.msg33930#msg33930 date=1683589369]Our mission
for God and Jesus is to spread God's kingdom and how to obtain
it.[/quote] Yes, this is what I have stated when I quoted Acts
8:5-6,12. The Samaritans affectionately believed Philip
preaching Christ, comprising the Gospel of the Kingdom and Name
and were motivated to identify with the death and resurrection
of Jesus by being baptised in water.
[quote]Jesus made it clear that the most important commandment
is God is one.[/quote]This is true in a sense, but "God is One"
is a statement, not a commandment. The commandment part is: To
"Hear" and the outcome of this "And thou shalt love the Lord thy
God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind, and with all thy strength".
[quote]If we don't make it clear or don't know what we are doing
as God's people, our knowledge of everything else is
meaningless. You have been dismissing this elementary principle
over and over. It seems that your comments are the same as
usual, nothing new, friend. God is not trinun god. God is one.
[/quote]I do not dismiss this at all, and I have started a
thread "The Yahweh Name" explaining my understanding on this
subject.
I was looking at our Statement of Faith. The first item is the
Inspiration of all of the Scriptures, but you reject the
teachings of Paul. We the have 30 statements of "Truth to be
Received" and then 36 "Doctrines to be Rejected" and then 53
items in "The Commandments of Christ". There is a few items in
the first two sections that cover your favourite subject, but we
require our baptismal candidates to agree with ALL of these
three categories.
After baptism we need to grow spiritually, and this morning I
read the following article which I found very instructive and
encouraging in our daily walk towards His Kingdom:
"Christ as an Example
CHRIST, as our example, asks us to do for our brethren what he
did for his brethren; and to dispose ourselves towards our
Father; and to exemplify in our pilgrimage the like spirit to
that which characterised him in the days of his flesh.
Jesus Christ was rich, but he impoverished himself to enrich his
brethren, and that to the extent that he had not for himself
where to lay his head.
Jesus loved his brethren to the extent of laying down his life
for them. The apostle exhorts to the same mind in us.—(1 John
3:16).
Jesus Christ’s meat and drink was to do the will of his Father
in heaven. This is a healthful diet for all.
Jesus Christ was not resentful and provoking, but kind, even to
the unthankful and evil.
Christ’s activities were not consumed in any humanly contrived
channels of usefulness; but exhausted rather upon precious
interests of the truth and the brethren. “The zeal of thine
house hath eaten me up.”
Jesus did not seek to become popular with the brethren or
public, by withholding wholesome but unpalatable words, or by
talking only about politics; but where needful he sent the
withering shafts of merited rebuke into the very vitals of his
auditory, and laid bare, as by the stroke of a sword, the hidden
recesses of hypocrisy, iniquity, and
self-righteousness.—(Matthew 16:1–6; 23.)
Our Lord Jesus Christ was not a fashionable man; neither was he
a popular man, except with the poor and needy: true, he went
when bidden to the feasts of the rich, but he never allowed
their hospitality to interfere with his wholesome criticism upon
their narrow sympathies, and punctilious observance of small
things, but uniform neglect of the weightier matters of the
law.—(Luke 15:1; Matthew 14:7. 12; Luke 16:15)
Much of the weight, or “authority,” as they called it, which
attached to the words of Christ, was due to the fact that he
exemplified in himself the things he enjoined upon others: and
also that his speech was pure, and his love was pure, and his
very denunciations were pure, and devoid of malevolent spirit,
and unmixed by personal irritation, on the one hand, or fleshly
preference on the other.
A lesson for disciples is to be noted in the fact, that the
teachings of Jesus were wholly of a practical character: he said
little indeed, if anything, which had not a practical side to
it. Take away the benevolent things which Christ did and the
useful things which he said, and there would be very little left
to read about him in the New Testament.
The life of Christ, as an example, may be summed up in the very
few but well-spoken words of Luke: “He went about doing good.”
Go thou, brother, and thou, sister, and do likewise.—(Acts
10:38.)
The example of Christ is a living body of divinity, from whence
flow healing vigour and spiritual blessing to the touch of
faith. Mere statistical instruction is like the dry bones which
Ezekiel saw in the valley of vision."
F.R.Shuttleworth 1875
Kind regards
Trevor
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Re: His followers' duty for God and Jesus
By: meshak Date: May 9, 2023, 5:32 pm
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[quote author=TrevorL link=topic=1545.msg33933#msg33933
date=1683608463]
Greetings again meshak, Yes, this is what I have stated when I
quoted Acts 8:5-6,12. The Samaritans affectionately believed
Philip preaching Christ, comprising the Gospel of the Kingdom
and Name and were motivated to identify with the death and
resurrection of Jesus by being baptised in water.This is true in
a sense, but "God is One" is a statement, not a commandment. The
commandment part is: To "Hear" and the outcome of this "And thou
shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength".I do not
dismiss this at all, and I have started a thread "The Yahweh
Name" explaining my understanding on this subject.
I was looking at our Statement of Faith. The first item is the
Inspiration of all of the Scriptures, but you reject the
teachings of Paul. We the have 30 statements of "Truth to be
Received" and then 36 "Doctrines to be Rejected" and then 53
items in "The Commandments of Christ". There is a few items in
the first two sections that cover your favourite subject, but we
require our baptismal candidates to agree with ALL of these
three categories.
After baptism we need to grow spiritually, and this morning I
read the following article which I found very instructive and
encouraging in our daily walk towards His Kingdom:
"Christ as an Example
CHRIST, as our example, asks us to do for our brethren what he
did for his brethren; and to dispose ourselves towards our
Father; and to exemplify in our pilgrimage the like spirit to
that which characterised him in the days of his flesh.
Jesus Christ was rich, but he impoverished himself to enrich his
brethren, and that to the extent that he had not for himself
where to lay his head.
Jesus loved his brethren to the extent of laying down his life
for them. The apostle exhorts to the same mind in us.—(1 John
3:16).
Jesus Christ’s meat and drink was to do the will of his Father
in heaven. This is a healthful diet for all.
Jesus Christ was not resentful and provoking, but kind, even to
the unthankful and evil.
Christ’s activities were not consumed in any humanly contrived
channels of usefulness; but exhausted rather upon precious
interests of the truth and the brethren. “The zeal of thine
house hath eaten me up.”
Jesus did not seek to become popular with the brethren or
public, by withholding wholesome but unpalatable words, or by
talking only about politics; but where needful he sent the
withering shafts of merited rebuke into the very vitals of his
auditory, and laid bare, as by the stroke of a sword, the hidden
recesses of hypocrisy, iniquity, and
self-righteousness.—(Matthew 16:1–6; 23.)
Our Lord Jesus Christ was not a fashionable man; neither was he
a popular man, except with the poor and needy: true, he went
when bidden to the feasts of the rich, but he never allowed
their hospitality to interfere with his wholesome criticism upon
their narrow sympathies, and punctilious observance of small
things, but uniform neglect of the weightier matters of the
law.—(Luke 15:1; Matthew 14:7. 12; Luke 16:15)
Much of the weight, or “authority,” as they called it, which
attached to the words of Christ, was due to the fact that he
exemplified in himself the things he enjoined upon others: and
also that his speech was pure, and his love was pure, and his
very denunciations were pure, and devoid of malevolent spirit,
and unmixed by personal irritation, on the one hand, or fleshly
preference on the other.
A lesson for disciples is to be noted in the fact, that the
teachings of Jesus were wholly of a practical character: he said
little indeed, if anything, which had not a practical side to
it. Take away the benevolent things which Christ did and the
useful things which he said, and there would be very little left
to read about him in the New Testament.
The life of Christ, as an example, may be summed up in the very
few but well-spoken words of Luke: “He went about doing good.”
Go thou, brother, and thou, sister, and do likewise.—(Acts
10:38.)
The example of Christ is a living body of divinity, from whence
flow healing vigour and spiritual blessing to the touch of
faith. Mere statistical instruction is like the dry bones which
Ezekiel saw in the valley of vision."
F.R.Shuttleworth 1875
Kind regards
Trevor
[/quote]
what is your point on all these?
I am only focussing on one thing which I know clearly from the
Bible what it says.
You are making a humongous mess out of a simple claim of mine.
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Re: His followers' duty for God and Jesus
By: meshak Date: May 10, 2023, 7:46 pm
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The purpose of this thread is that I would like to inform the
world that Jesus' God is one God and His Father is His God, not
a triune God.
Christian world succeeded to spread that God is Triune.
And I know it angers God and Jesus to claim God is triune.
Believing in God is one is the beginning of Christian life.
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