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The Yahweh Name
By: TrevorL Date: April 6, 2023, 6:22 am
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The Yahweh Name Part 1 Initial Declaration and Fulfilment
The following is a consideration of the Yahweh Name that was
revealed in Exodus 3:14-15. It is hoped that the following
comments will help to explain some of the language of both the
OT and NT and the true role of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of
God.
The Name of God was revealed to Moses in the following terms:
Exodus 3:14-15 (KJV): 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I
AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of
Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15 And God said moreover
unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The
LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac,
and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for
ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Most translations and commentators accept the present tense “I
am that I am”, but notice in the margin of the RV (or ASV) and
RSV, an alternative is given “I will be that I will be” or “I
will be what I will be”, showing that some modern scholars
suggest this alternative reading. Although not popular it
appears that this future tense is the correct translation. Not
only modern scholars, Tyndale also translated this in the future
tense, and I also like the interesting spelling of his time and
the specific spelling “I wilbe”:
Exodus 3:12-14 (Tyndale): 12 And he sayde: I wilbe with the.
And this shalbe a token vnto the that I haue sent the: after
that thou hast broughte the people out of Egipte, ye shall serue
God vppon this mountayne. 13 Than sayde Moses vnto God: when I
come vnto the childern of Israell and saye vnto them, the God of
youre fathers hath sent me vnto you, ad they saye vnto me, what
ys his name, what answere shall I geuethem? 14 Then sayde God
vnto Moses: I wilbe what I wilbe: ad he sayde, this shalt thou
saye vnto the children of Israel: I wilbe dyd send me to you.
The word “ehyeh” that occurs is in Exodus 3:14 and is the same
that occurs in the earlier statement in v12 rendered in the KJV
“I will be”, and here most other translators also give the
future tense:
Exodus 3:12 (KJV): And he said, Certainly I will be with thee;
and this shall be a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When
thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve
God upon this mountain.
Not only does this fix the tense in this context, but it also
introduces the concept that the Name of God is associated with
some future activity.
This future tense and future activity was to be God acting to
deliver Israel out of Egypt, “I will be with thee”, so that
Israel would become a people for His Name. They would be a
living witness to the purpose of God, and a witness to the
existence of God. The following passage emphasises this work of
delivering Israel with the future aspect of the Name:
Exodus 6:1-8 (KJV): 1 Then the LORD said unto Moses, Now shalt
thou see what I will do to Pharaoh: for with a strong hand shall
he let them go, and with a strong hand shall he drive them out
of his land. 2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am
the LORD: 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto
Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH (or
Yahweh) was I not known to them. 4 And I have also established
my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land
of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers. 5 And I have
also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the
Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant. 6
Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I
will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and
I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with
a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: 7 And I will take
you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall
know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from
under the burdens of the Egyptians. 8 And I will bring you in
unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to
Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an
heritage: I am the LORD.
When Israel was delivered out of Egypt the Name of God remains
the same, but the particular activity has been accomplished:
Exodus 15:1-3 (KJV): 1 Then sang Moses and the children of
Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, I will sing
unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and
his rider hath he thrown into the sea. 2 The LORD is my strength
and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I
will prepare him an habitation; my father’s God, and I will
exalt him. 3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD (Yahweh) is his
name.
The future tense of God’s Name “He will be or become” has been
accomplished, and Yahweh had become Israel’s salvation.
Kind regards
Trevor
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Re: The Yahweh Name
By: TrevorL Date: April 6, 2023, 6:28 am
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The Yahweh Name Part 2 The Fulfilment in our Lord Jesus Christ
The initial fulfilment was not the ultimate completion of the
Yahweh Name. God’s purpose with the earth was not complete with
the salvation of Israel out of Egypt. God’s purpose was declared
in the following, but sadly this was spoken at a time when the
very generation that had been born through God’s deliverance
failed.
Numbers 14:21 (KJV): But as truly as I live, all the earth
shall be filled with the glory of the LORD (Yahweh).
The above raises the question of how and when will the earth be
filled with the glory of God. One indication is found when the
Psalmist uses the same words as Moses’ Song to speak of another
deliverance:
Psalm 118:14-25 (KJV): 14 The LORD is my strength and song, and
is become my salvation. 15 The voice of rejoicing and salvation
is in the tabernacles of the righteous: the right hand of the
LORD doeth valiantly. 16 The right hand of the LORD is exalted:
the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly. 17 I shall not die,
but live, and declare the works of the LORD. 18 The LORD hath
chastened me sore: but he hath not given me over unto death. 19
Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, and
I will praise the LORD: 20 This gate of the LORD, into which the
righteous shall enter. 21 I will praise thee: for thou hast
heard me, and art become my salvation. 22 The stone which the
builders refused is become the head stone of the corner. 23 This
is the LORD’S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes. 24 This is
the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in
it. 25 Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee,
send now prosperity.
The above is quoted at length to show that there was to be a
greater salvation in fulfilment of the Yahweh Name. It is
evident from the context that this salvation is by means of the
crucifixion, death and resurrection of the man of God’s right
hand, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
The greater deliverance is revealed even in the conception and
birth of the child:
Matthew 1:20-21 (KJV): 20 But while he thought on these things,
behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream,
saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee
Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy
Spirit. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call
his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
The meaning of the name Jesus is revealed: “for he shall save
his people from their sins”. Was Jesus to be an independent
Saviour? No, the name Jesus incorporates the Yahweh Name,
Je-sous, Jo-shua, or Yah-oshea. He was to be Yahweh’s Salvation.
Here then is the extension or fulfilment of the Yahweh Name,
Yahweh was to be, to become. He was to “become salvation” Exodus
15:2, in and through Jesus, the Son of God. Yahweh is the
Saviour, Jesus is the Saviour. In other words Yahweh, God the
Father is the Saviour through His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Yahweh has become salvation.
Salvation is now offered in the Name of Jesus Christ:
Acts 4:10-12 (KJV): 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the
people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth,
whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him
doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone
which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the
head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other:
for there is none other name under heaven given among men,
whereby we must be saved.
The subject of God’s Name has many other aspects, but I suggest
the more we start to understand some of these aspects, the more
we realise that the spelling and pronunciation of the Name,
while important, is not as important as understanding the Name.
Here are a few examples of other aspects:
Psalm 9:10 (KJV): And they that know thy name will put their
trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek
thee.
John 12:27–28 (KJV): 27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall
I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I
unto this hour. 28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a
voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will
glorify it again.
Kind regards
Trevor
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Re: The Yahweh Name
By: TrevorL Date: April 6, 2023, 6:29 am
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The Yahweh Name (cont’d)
In my first post I mentioned that the margin of the Revised
Version has "I will be" for Exodus 3:14, and one of the
supporters of this rendition could have been AB Davidson as he
was one of the Hebrew scholars engaged in the production of the
RV. Please note that I do not endorse all of his theology, as he
was most probably a Trinitarian and also had other wrong ideas,
but his Hebrew abilities have been respected and some of his
Hebrew books were published in new editions until recently.
The article by AB Davidson is in the Hastings Bible Dictionary
Volume 2 page 199:
"The name is connected with the Hebrew ‘hayah’, ‘to be’, in the
imperfect. Now with regard to this verb, first, it does not mean
‘to be’ essentially or ontologically, but phenomenally; and
secondly the imperfect has not the sense of a present (‘am’) but
of a future (‘will be’). In Exodus 3:10ff, when Moses demurred
to go to Egypt, God assured him saying, ‘I will be with thee’.
When he asked how he should name the God of their fathers to the
people, he was told Ehyeh asher Ehyeh. Again he was bidden say,
‘Ehyeh hath sent me unto you’. From all this it seems evident
that in the view of the writer Ehyeh and Yahweh are the same:
that God is Ehyeh, ‘I will be’, when speaking of Himself and
‘Yahweh’, ‘he will be’, when spoken of by others. What He will
be is left unexpressed - He will be with them, helper,
strengthener, deliverer."
Now this last comment by AB Davidson ties in with what I
suggested that what God would do or be was that Yahweh would be
their salvation.
Another additional aspect is that this could also be connected
with the expression in the promises to David:
2 Samuel 7:12–16 (KJV): 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and
thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after
thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will
establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name,
and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I
will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit
iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the
stripes of the children of men: 15 But my mercy shall not depart
away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before
thee. 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established
for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
The development of the Name Yahweh will not only be associated
with what God would accomplish, that is salvation, but also
associated with the development of the Messiah, the Son of God,
through whom salvation will be accomplished, Yahweh will be his
father, and he will be Yahweh’s son.
Kind regards
Trevor
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Re: The Yahweh Name
By: TrevorL Date: April 6, 2023, 6:30 am
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The Yahweh Name (cont’d)
The first two Posts established that Yahweh is the One God who
acted to deliver Israel out of Egypt. There are many passages
after these events where the Yahweh Name appears and perhaps one
of the most important of these is mentioned below, and this is
extensively quoted and expounded by Jesus and the Apostles.
Psalm 110:1 (KJV): The LORD (Yahweh) said unto my Lord, Sit
thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The above speaks of two distinct individuals, one called “LORD”
and the other called “Lord”, David’s Lord. As suggested above
“LORD” is the Hebrew word “Yahweh”, while “Lord” is the normal
word representing Lord, Master, Ruler. The KJV usually
represents Yahweh by LORD in capitals S#3068, and only in a few
places by the incorrect rendition Jehovah. Occasionally the KJV
also uses GOD S#3069 to represent Yahweh, and these are when
YHWH has the vowel points of Elohim instead of the more frequent
Adonai.
Our Lord Jesus Christ quotes and expounds Psalm 110:1 in the
following:
Matthew 22:41–46 (KJV): 41 While the Pharisees were gathered
together, Jesus asked them, 42 Saying, What think ye of Christ?
whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43 He
saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord,
saying, 44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right
hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then
call him Lord, how is he his son? 46 And no man was able to
answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask
him any more questions.
This identifies Yahweh as the One God, the Father and David’s
Lord is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who is now seated
at the right hand of God, His Father, in God the Father’s
Throne.
Peter also quotes and expounds Psalm 110:1 after the death and
resurrection of Jesus:
Acts 2:29–36 (KJV): 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak
unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and
buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore
being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to
him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he
would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this
before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was
not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This
Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having
received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath
shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not
ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said
unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy
foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel
know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have
crucified, both Lord and Christ.
God has raised Jesus from the dead and God has exalted him to
sit at the right hand of God the Father.
Revelation 3:21–22 (KJV): 21 To him that overcometh will I
grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and
am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an
ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
This again confirms that the One God is Yahweh, God the Father,
and David’s Lord is our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Jesus
calls Yahweh “my Father”, showing that he is the Son of God.
This verse also shows that Jesus is yet to return from heaven
and only then will he sit upon the Throne of David.
Kind regards
Trevor
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Re: The Yahweh Name
By: meshak Date: April 6, 2023, 9:49 am
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Thank you for your study and information, @Trovor. :)
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Re: The Yahweh Name
By: paralambano Date: April 6, 2023, 12:17 pm
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Trevor?
What means "Son of God"? When Jesus sits with God the Father on
His Throne or next to God the Father as some would have it, what
kind of Glory does He have?
para . . . .
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Re: The Yahweh Name
By: TrevorL Date: April 6, 2023, 3:46 pm
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Greetings paralambano,[quote author=paralambano
link=topic=1537.msg33552#msg33552 date=1680801430]What means
"Son of God"?[/quote]Jesus is a human, the Son of God by birth
Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35, character John 1:14 and
resurrection Romans 1:1-4.
[quote]When Jesus sits with God the Father on His Throne or next
to God the Father as some would have it, what kind of Glory does
He have?[/quote]Jesus is seated at the right hand of God Psalm
110:1, in God the Father's Throne Revelation 3:21-22, awaiting
the day soon to dawn when he will return to sit upon the Temple
Throne of David in Jerusalem for the 1000 years. He is the
possessor of Glory, and this is firstly his character as
described by John that when he and others beheld Jesus they
beheld his glory, because he was "full of grace and truth", a
very apt summary of the glory of the character of God when
Yahweh revealed to Moses the glory of God at his request. Jesus
is a human who has been exalted, and he has been changed from a
mortal to an immortal, and he can reveal his physical glory as
when Saul was on the way to Damascus. I believe that Jesus was
raised and some time after he had spoken to Mary he was changed
to immortality, but it is evident that he can withhold his
physical glory, as he appeared to the Apostles for the 40 days.
I consider that Jesus as a Spirit Body is a transformation, not
a replacement body, a body that no longer needs air and food,
but is sustained directly by God's Spirit. Jesus was a Spirit
body when he revealed his wounds to the Apostles showing that a
Spirit body is not ethereal, or like a ghost..
Kind regards
Trevor
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Re: The Yahweh Name
By: paralambano Date: April 7, 2023, 6:42 am
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Trevor - ^
[quote]Jesus is a human, the Son of God by birth Matthew
1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35, character John 1:14 and resurrection
Romans 1:1-4.[/quote]
Who was Jesus' Dad by seed?
[quote]Jesus is seated at the right hand of God Psalm 110:1, in
God the Father's Throne Revelation 3:21-22, awaiting the day
soon to dawn when he will return to sit upon the Temple Throne
of David in Jerusalem for the 1000 years.[/quote]
Can you tell me why Daniel was told to seal his book
(prophecies)?
[quote]He is the possessor of Glory, and this is firstly his
character as described by John that when he and others beheld
Jesus they beheld his glory, because he was "full of grace and
truth", a very apt summary of the glory of the character of God
when Yahweh revealed to Moses the glory of God at his request.
Jesus is a human who has been exalted, and he has been changed
from a mortal to an immortal, and he can reveal his physical
glory as when Saul was on the way to Damascus. I believe that
Jesus was raised and some time after he had spoken to Mary he
was changed to immortality, but it is evident that he can
withhold his physical glory, as he appeared to the Apostles for
the 40 days. I consider that Jesus as a Spirit Body is a
transformation, not a replacement body, a body that no longer
needs air and food, but is sustained directly by God's Spirit.
Jesus was a Spirit body when he revealed his wounds to the
Apostles showing that a Spirit body is not ethereal, or like a
ghost..[/quote]
Amen ^. Pretty much what I believe. When Jesus prays that God
the Father restores the Glory Jesus had with the Father prior to
the world, am I to assume that this means for you more than
having "grace and truth", that is, the spiritual transformation
of body?
I had asked what Son of God means. I too believe Jesus was
human. Humans have a Mum and a Dad who come together in that
"special" way to conceive a child. Who was Jesus' Daddy?
para . . . .
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Re: The Yahweh Name
By: TrevorL Date: April 7, 2023, 7:07 am
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Greetings again paralambano,[quote author=paralambano
link=topic=1537.msg33559#msg33559 date=1680867757] Can you tell
me why Daniel was told to seal his book (prophecies)?
[/quote]Daniel 12:4 (KJV): But thou, O Daniel, shut up the
words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many
shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Daniel 11:40 (KJV): And at the time of the end shall the king of
the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come
against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen,
and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and
shall overflow and pass over.
Daniel was instructed to seal the book until the time of the
end. We are now in this period of time, the time of the end and
as such the Book of Daniel can be understood.
[quote]Who was Jesus' Daddy? [/quote] Luke 1:34–35 (KJV): 34
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know
not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy
Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall
overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be
born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
The One God, Yahweh, God the Father was the father of Jesus by
means of the power of the Holy Spirit.
Kind regards
Trevor
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Re: The Yahweh Name
By: paralambano Date: April 7, 2023, 7:17 am
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Trevor - ^
Thanks for answering my questions. Now we are having a
discussion by narrowing things down to a point. I'll have some
things to say as well.
Okay, Daniel. What was the reason though given for the sealing
of the book? I mean, was a time-frame mentioned? You rightly
quoted "the time of the end" but was there a something said to
Daniel that would confirm how long it would take for the end
time prophecies starting to take place? When does the end time
stuff start to take place in Dan's book? Something like "in a
few decades" or "several generations", something like that?
Okay, agreed what you gave of Jesus' conception. So, Jesus is a
human in a way different from other humans meaning that he
didn't have a human father, just a human Mum?
para . . . .
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