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The Word of God ?
By: twinc Date: October 4, 2019, 6:03 am
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Who spoke these words viz EX 20:1-4 and Jn 14:15 - twinc
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Re: The Word of God ?
By: HOLLAND Date: October 4, 2019, 8:23 am
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[quote author=twinc link=topic=1452.msg24161#msg24161
date=1570186982]
Who spoke these words viz EX 20:1-4 and Jn 14:15 - twinc
[/quote]
The Lord your God, twinc. That is the answer.
Exodus 20:1-4 New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
20 And God spoke all these words:
2 ‘I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of
the land of slavery.
3 ‘You shall have no other gods before[a] me.
4 ‘You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of
anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the
waters below.
Footnotes:
[a]Exodus 20:3 Or besides
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John 14:15 New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
15 ‘If you love me, keep my commands.
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Re: The Word of God ?
By: twinc Date: October 4, 2019, 1:18 pm
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I am not too concerned about the Lord my GOD but that of others
and yours - would these words be by the Word of God if so
exactly who is the Word of God - twinc
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Re: The Word of God ?
By: HOLLAND Date: October 4, 2019, 1:48 pm
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[quote author=twinc link=topic=1452.msg24164#msg24164
date=1570213135]
I am not too concerned about the Lord my GOD but that of others
and yours -[/quote]
But if the Lord is God, wouldn't he be the concern of all,
twinc?
[quote]would these words be by the Word of God[/quote]
It would depend upon what those words would be, good chap.
[quote]if so exactly who is the Word of God - twinc
[/quote]
That would be Jesus the Messiah, the Word become flesh.
John 1:14 NAB:RE
14 And the Word became flesh
and made his dwelling among us,
and we saw his glory,
the glory as of the Father’s only Son,
full of grace and truth.
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Re: The Word of God ?
By: twinc Date: October 4, 2019, 4:59 pm
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so then Holland,after this long run around, would you agree that
JESUS spoke the words at Ex 20:1-4 about Himself - twinc
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Re: The Word of God ?
By: HOLLAND Date: October 4, 2019, 6:21 pm
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[quote author=twinc link=topic=1452.msg24166#msg24166
date=1570226348]
so then Holland,after this long run around,[/quote]
What run around, twinc? I've been traveling pretty much in a
straight line in this thread. :)
[quote]would you agree that JESUS spoke the words at Ex 20:1-4
about Himself - twinc
[/quote]
No, good chap. The text doesn't say that.
Exodus 20:1-4 New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
20 And God spoke all these words:
2 ‘I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of
the land of slavery.
3 ‘You shall have no other gods before[a] me.
4 ‘You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of
anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the
waters below.
Footnotes:
[a]Exodus 20:3 Or besides
New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
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Copyright © 1979, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.® Used by
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Jesus' name is not mentioned.
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Re: The Word of God ?
By: twinc Date: October 5, 2019, 2:37 am
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oh Holland - I am gettijng old trying to pass on what I must -
so I must not run about too much - so so far you have agreed
that the Word of God is Jesus - so could this same Word of God
more than likely have spoken at Ex 20:1-4 when He gave Moses the
ten commandments - twinc
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Re: The Word of God ?
By: HOLLAND Date: October 5, 2019, 9:08 am
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[quote author=twinc link=topic=1452.msg24172#msg24172
date=1570261049]
oh Holland - I am gettijng old trying to pass on what I must -
so I must not run about too much -[/quote]
That's good, twinc. We must conserve ourselves as we get older.
We must seek to do what we must and insure that we have the
energy and focus to do so. We must pass on what we must as we
enter the twilight of our lives.
[quote]so so far you have agreed that the Word of God is
Jesus[/quote]
I agree. That is in keeping with John 1:14.
[quote]- so could this same Word of God more than likely have
spoken at Ex 20:1-4 when He gave Moses the ten commandments -
twinc
[/quote]
Now your language is more precise, good chap. You are now
making more effective distinctions. We could state that Ex
20:1-4 is the declaration of the Word of God in written form.
The passage identifies, though, that God is making the
commandments. This means something deeper exists.
John 1:1-5 New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through
him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has
been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all
mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness
has not overcome[a] it.
Footnotes:
[a]John 1:5 Or understood
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But none of this is mentioned in the time of Exodus. This means
that we must not confuse categories in the interpretation of
Scripture. We must not read into the passage meanings that were
not at the time intended to be put there by God. The Jewish
Scriptures are to be primarily interpreted in their normative
Jewish meaning.
We may observe that Jesus is speaking inasmuch as he is divine
and the Word of God made flesh in Exodus 20:1-4. But this is
not because of the passage of Exodus 20, but because of John 1.
We need to adhere to the literal sense and not let any sensus
plenior meanings overcome the original meanings of the text.
Category errors make for a lot of confusion in biblical
interpretation.
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Re: The Word of God ?
By: twinc Date: October 5, 2019, 2:23 pm
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in the beginning was The Word and The Word was God who spoke
'Let there be light' etc - twinc
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Re: The Word of God ?
By: Kerry Date: October 5, 2019, 6:41 pm
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[quote author=twinc link=topic=1452.msg24184#msg24184
date=1570303388]
in the beginning was The Word and The Word was God who spoke
'Let there be light' etc - twinc
[/quote]So what the "Word" that God spoke or was it the "Word"
speaking words? Was the Light also the Word?
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