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There is no GOD but JESUS !?
By: twinc Date: September 25, 2019, 7:56 am
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All else is Idol worship according to the very first Commandment
given to Moses by Jesus[Jn 14:15][Jn 8:58-59] - the I AM of the
burning bush is the I AM who was before Abraham[Jn 8:58] - the
Father and I are one and the same God and to me every knee will
bow and every tongue confess that I AM [Creator/Saviour/Lord] -
twinc
Lord Jesus I lift your name up high
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Re: There is no GOD but JESUS !?
By: Kerry Date: September 25, 2019, 5:49 pm
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I do not equate God with His Temple.
God filled the Temple in Jerusalem with His Glory; but that
Temple was not God. God can also be in you; but would that make
you God? Maybe in one way. . . . not in another.
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Re: There is no GOD but JESUS !?
By: popsthebuilder Date: November 13, 2020, 5:43 am
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Never heard anyone else refer to the boC as the Holy Temple of
GOD. Interesting.
peace
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Re: There is no GOD but JESUS !?
By: meshak Date: November 13, 2020, 6:51 am
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[quote author=twinc link=topic=1450.msg24098#msg24098
date=1569416211]
All else is Idol worship according to the very first Commandment
given to Moses by Jesus[Jn 14:15][Jn 8:58-59] - the I AM of the
burning bush is the I AM who was before Abraham[Jn 8:58] - the
Father and I are one and the same God and to me every knee will
bow and every tongue confess that I AM [Creator/Saviour/Lord] -
twinc
Lord Jesus I lift your name up high
[/quote]
Jesus says His Father is the only true God.
So Jesus cannot be God.
#Post#: 26716--------------------------------------------------
Re: There is no GOD but JESUS !?
By: KerimF Date: November 14, 2020, 8:33 am
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[quote author=meshak link=topic=1450.msg26700#msg26700
date=1605271890]
Jesus says His Father is the only true God.
So Jesus cannot be God.
[/quote]
Jesus message focuses solely on God's unconditional love:
"That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:
for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and
sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."
If God is just one being as a Jew or a Muslim, for example, is
supposed to believe (to see their Creator), this God has to be
one of his kind.
Such one of his kind has no choice but to love himself (be
selfish, in human's term).
I am afraid that true Love not only needs two beings but also
these two beings should be independent and of the same nature
and have accepted being unified by the Spirit of Love (spirit of
real friendship, in human's term). By this union, these two
beings are seen as being just One having One will/power by any
outsider.
Jesus was clear on this point that his message looks nonsense to
whoever is not created to perceive the existence the Spirit of
Love; on Earth (between two spiritual humans and a spiritual
human with a spiritual being in Heaven; known as Jesus and The
Father for example).
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall
be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost
shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall
be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in
the world to come."
Since most humans in the world are created to serve the material
world/life only (guided by God's instructions; known as
instincts), they are not supposed to believe in the true
unconditional Love, as revealed and lived by Jesus, that
contradicts their human instincts for survival.
Son when I hear Jesus saying: "I and my Father are one", I hear
Him saying:
My/The Father in Heaven is God.
Jesus is God.
But...
God is not the Father in Heaven alone.
God is not Jesus alone.
In other words:
Addressing the Father in Heaven OR Jesus is addressing God.
Addressing God is actually addressing the Father in Heaven AND
Jesus.
They are unified by the Spirit of Love; known as the Holy
Spirit/Ghost.
Here is an analogy from the material world:
God could be the name of a company.
The Father in Heaven and Jesus are the two partners (A and B) of
this company.
Addressing A OR B is addressing their company.
Addressing the company is actually addressing A AND B.
They (A and B) run together the company based on a certain
contract.
{John 3:12} to Nicodemus
"If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how
shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" :)
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Re: There is no GOD but JESUS !?
By: meshak Date: November 14, 2020, 12:34 pm
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[quote author=KerimF link=topic=1450.msg26716#msg26716
date=1605364438]
Jesus message focuses solely on God's unconditional love:
"That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:
for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and
sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."
If God is just one being as a Jew or a Muslim, for example, is
supposed to believe (to see their Creator), this God has to be
one of his kind.
Such one of his kind has no choice but to love himself (be
selfish, in human's term).
I am afraid that true Love not only needs two beings but also
these two beings should be independent and of the same nature
and have accepted being unified by the Spirit of Love (spirit of
real friendship, in human's term). By this union, these two
beings are seen as being just One having One will/power by any
outsider.
Jesus was clear on this point that his message looks nonsense to
whoever is not created to perceive the existence the Spirit of
Love; on Earth (between two spiritual humans and a spiritual
human with a spiritual being in Heaven; known as Jesus and The
Father for example).
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall
be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost
shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall
be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in
the world to come."
Since most humans in the world are created to serve the material
world/life only (guided by God's instructions; known as
instincts), they are not supposed to believe in the true
unconditional Love, as revealed and lived by Jesus, that
contradicts their human instincts for survival.
Son when I hear Jesus saying: "I and my Father are one", I hear
Him saying:
My/The Father in Heaven is God.
Jesus is God.
But...
God is not the Father in Heaven alone.
God is not Jesus alone.
In other words:
Addressing the Father in Heaven OR Jesus is addressing God.
Addressing God is actually addressing the Father in Heaven AND
Jesus.
They are unified by the Spirit of Love; known as the Holy
Spirit/Ghost.
Here is an analogy from the material world:
God could be the name of a company.
The Father in Heaven and Jesus are the two partners (A and B) of
this company.
Addressing A OR B is addressing their company.
Addressing the company is actually addressing A AND B.
They (A and B) run together the company based on a certain
contract.
{John 3:12} to Nicodemus
"If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how
shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" :)
[/quote]
So you deny what Jesus says?
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Re: There is no GOD but JESUS !?
By: paralambano Date: November 14, 2020, 2:42 pm
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God is perfect Spirit (incorporeal Infinite Consciousness, not
matter-man). What's Spirit? The substance of thought. Thought
has to have a Mind. Spirit's thought or reflection or idea then
has to be perfect, Christ Jesus, since a stream's source doesn't
run both sweet and bitter.
God thought Christ Jesus. In this way, like we can say the image
and likeness in the mirror is us, we can say that Mind-God and
Idea-Christ Jesus are one. Mind can't exist as mind without
thinking/idea. Idea can't exist without Mind, so both are
eternal. The idea is the Mind with it, inseparable. Mind is its
idea, inseparable, One.
God thought of creation this way. We are each of us His perfect
thoughts/ideas since He is Infinite Intelligence. Jesus knew it.
He told us to be Perfect like this Consciousness (Paul's have
the Mind of Christ or Perfect Consciousness since all we
actually are is consciousness - - the only thing we can be
certain of is that we are conscious, everything comes by it). We
don't "know" that we are perfect consciousness because we're
fooled by an illusion of otherwise, but still we are God's
perfect children (ideas) all the while, no matter illusions.
Just peel away the onion, the veil of tears.
para . . . .
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Re: There is no GOD but JESUS !?
By: KerimF Date: November 15, 2020, 2:53 pm
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[quote author=meshak link=topic=1450.msg26718#msg26718
date=1605378883]
So you deny what Jesus says?
[/quote]
I understand you.
In fact, if someone feels better in believing that his Creator
is just one supernatural (spiritual) supreme ruling King, he has
no reason at all to change his mind... his belief.
On my side, I wonder what I could learn from’ a one-being
Creator’ (I am supposed being an image of Him) other than being
selfish and looking continuously for power so that I can have
the means to judge and condemn whoever dares disobeying me.
By the way, most humans on earth are created to follow this
path. In fact, being selfish (by taking more than giving :)
while looking for one's body pleasures) is the main fuel that
lets a person be ready always to serve the world (including its
king :) ), by building and/or destroying it, without complain.
So, I am afraid that such 'a one-being god' cannot exist in my
reality. And if Jesus tells me that the image of my Creator
(God) is somehow like the one which good modern Pagans, good
Muslims and good Jews are supposed to perceive, that Jesus would
be a stranger to me... for having no idea of the nature which I
am created of.
In brief, while you are happy with your Jesus, I am happy with
mine :)
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Re: There is no GOD but JESUS !?
By: Kerry Date: November 15, 2020, 7:09 pm
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1450.msg26720#msg26720
date=1605386537]
God is perfect Spirit (incorporeal Infinite Consciousness, not
matter-man). What's Spirit? The substance of thought. Thought
has to have a Mind. Spirit's thought or reflection or idea then
has to be perfect, Christ Jesus, since a stream's source doesn't
run both sweet and bitter.
God thought Christ Jesus. In this way, like we can say the image
and likeness in the mirror is us, we can say that Mind-God and
Idea-Christ Jesus are one. Mind can't exist as mind without
thinking/idea. Idea can't exist without Mind, so both are
eternal. The idea is the Mind with it, inseparable. Mind is its
idea, inseparable, One.
God thought of creation this way. We are each of us His perfect
thoughts/ideas since He is Infinite Intelligence. Jesus knew it.
He told us to be Perfect like this Consciousness (Paul's have
the Mind of Christ or Perfect Consciousness since all we
actually are is consciousness - - the only thing we can be
certain of is that we are conscious, everything comes by it). We
don't "know" that we are perfect consciousness because we're
fooled by an illusion of otherwise, but still we are God's
perfect children (ideas) all the while, no matter illusions.
Just peel away the onion, the veil of tears.
para . . . .
[/quote]I have been told that a slight imperfection is necessary
for us to continue to exist as "separate" individuals -- and
that slight imperfection is the idea that we exist as separate
individuals.
Such slightly imperfect beings can exist in the Divine Presence
only if they are clothed in pure white Light -- which conceals
the slight imperfection. Thus the Eye of God sees only the
Divine Light they are clothed in.
I suppose that means we exist only in the Mind of God. He
imagines us into existence. . . and perhaps we take over the job
of imagining ourselves into existence. I guess the "real"
truth is that only God exists.
Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as
certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his
offspring.
Where does that leave the debate over whether Jesus is God?
Only God exists really. Everything else is imaginary.
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Re: There is no GOD but JESUS !?
By: popsthebuilder Date: November 16, 2020, 5:49 am
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But the bible clearly says GOD is One. And GOD is Spirit.
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