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Seeing/Thinking or vice versa
By: twinc Date: August 19, 2019, 5:07 pm
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do we see a table and then think table or do we think table and
then see a table - twinc
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Re: Seeing/Thinking or vice versa
By: Kerry Date: August 19, 2019, 10:59 pm
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[quote author=twinc link=topic=1442.msg23761#msg23761
date=1566252452]
do we see a table and then think table or do we think table and
then see a table - twinc
[/quote]That may depend on whether people agree with us about
what is real.
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Re: Seeing/Thinking or vice versa
By: Justaname Date: August 20, 2019, 2:50 pm
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[quote author=twinc link=topic=1442.msg23761#msg23761
date=1566252452]
do we see a table and then think table or do we think table and
then see a table - twinc
[/quote]
I can't honestly say either.
The stuff in my house " just is". :)
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Re: Seeing/Thinking or vice versa
By: twinc Date: August 20, 2019, 5:41 pm
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=1442.msg23762#msg23762
date=1566273576]
That may depend on whether people agree with us about what is
real.
[/quote]
after what is truth, what is real is the second best question
for if we take a backward glance at our life then everything
looks like a dream especially those ardent and intense moments
that seemed so real where are they now they are now just a
memory viz just a thought - so what have we to say about this
day and this very[real] moment - so how does a thought turn out
to be a thing and a thing a thought - twinc
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Re: Seeing/Thinking or vice versa
By: HOLLAND Date: August 21, 2019, 6:48 am
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[quote author=twinc link=topic=1442.msg23761#msg23761
date=1566252452]
do we see a table and then think table or do we think table and
then see a table - twinc
[/quote]
If we see a table, twinc,we shall think the word table if we are
mentally focused on tables generally. If we think table, if we
are mentally focused on looking at tables, or searching them
out, if our search has been successful and we find a table, we
shall see the table we are looking for. It is a matter of
focus.
[quote author=twinc link=topic=1442.msg23770#msg23770
date=1566340906]
after what is truth, what is real is the second best question
for if we take a backward glance at our life then everything
looks like a dream especially those ardent and intense moments
that seemed so real where are they now they are now just a
memory viz just a thought - so what have we to say about this
day and this very[real] moment - so how does a thought turn out
to be a thing and a thing a thought - twinc
[/quote]
If mental focus is as important as it could be, all recollection
is a matter of focus as well. The focus will disclose the
reality of what had happened in the past. It could only be
recalled with a dream-like quality if the person is
existentially alienated from the recollection or is prone to
deceit and self-deceit.
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Re: Seeing/Thinking or vice versa
By: twinc Date: August 21, 2019, 2:39 pm
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[quote author=HOLLAND link=topic=1442.msg23771#msg23771
date=1566388122]
If we see a table, twinc,we shall think the word table if we are
mentally focused on tables generally. If we think table, if we
are mentally focused on looking at tables, or searching them
out, if our search has been successful and we find a table, we
shall see the table we are looking for. It is a matter of
focus.
If mental focus is as important as it could be, all recollection
is a matter of focus as well. The focus will disclose the
reality of what had happened in the past. It could only be
recalled with a dream-like quality if the person is
existentially alienated from the recollection or is prone to
deceit and self-deceit.
[/quote]
the task is to grasp that what is being attempted is to tell
dreamers they are dreaming whilst they are dreaming - one is
most unwelcome for disturbing the dream - twinc
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