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Helplessly Hoping - CSN
By: HOLLAND Date: January 28, 2019, 8:45 pm
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It is interesting that hope can exist as a form of helplessness.
It is a lack of power in respect to something and, sometimes,
hopes are not realized. It is important to remember that in
God, though a hope is not realized, the goodness behind the hope
will work its way through to the end which is God. The
following song by CSN seems to always recall this meaning of
hope for me ...
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdBs7JFn9Pk
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Re: Helplessly Hoping - CSN
By: HOLLAND Date: February 1, 2019, 6:50 am
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It's strange to have survived the surgery since it went on for
12-14 hours or so. I wonder why I have survived so far and have
not died as others have. It puts me into the place of veterans
who've survived a war; it's that going to the edge of life and
coming back again. I've never felt this way before, especially
during my military service. When one's young one believes
oneself to be indestructible. It is when one has gotten older
and senses more the fragility of life.
CSN and the following video resonates with me. I hope you all
enjoy it.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejg9cFM07oU
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Re: Helplessly Hoping - CSN
By: Kerry Date: February 2, 2019, 1:29 am
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^ The physical body has its weaknesses.
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Re: Helplessly Hoping - CSN
By: paralambano Date: February 2, 2019, 4:53 am
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Holland -
Wherever we go, there we are. Keep thinking of yourself as made
of perfect spiritual substance (ideationally divine) by form,
not flesh. We move from awareness to awareness. Life is all we
truly have and we move from an awareness of death as illusion
into Life. We no longer know any man by "flesh", especially
ourselves.
para . . . .
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Re: Helplessly Hoping - CSN
By: HOLLAND Date: February 3, 2019, 8:01 pm
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=1383.msg21366#msg21366
date=1549092581]
^ The physical body has its weaknesses.
[/quote]
It has its weaknesses, indeed, Kerry. It does cause us to
remember our mortality. We find our deepest meaning in the
sensing of our existential weakness where are existence is
threatened. We awaken to the meaning of the divine in the
moment of our mortality and the hope and faith and love in
respect to God that we have been gifted. It's the strange
paradox of existence, that great strength can be found in
weakness, and that it is founded on God's grace.
[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1383.msg21368#msg21368
date=1549104829]
Holland -
Wherever we go, there we are. Keep thinking of yourself as made
of perfect spiritual substance (ideationally divine) by form,
not flesh. We move from awareness to awareness. Life is all we
truly have and we move from an awareness of death as illusion
into Life. We no longer know any man by "flesh", especially
ourselves.
para . . . .
[/quote]
As an existentialist, para, I tend to be skeptical of platonic
or neo-platonic conceptions of form. I tend to see the Biblical
view of humankind as a psychophysical unity of flesh and spirit
and soul. As physical beings, we have existence in time and
space and so life within that sphere is not an illusion. But we
lack, fundamentally, the being and truth that enables us to
escape the illusions of life and so life, itself, is mortally
threatened by those illusions and so we could agree to the fact
that illusion is one of the prime issues that disrupt life as it
should be lived.
We have to live in pain and privation of the good, take up our
cross and follow Jesus. And in doing so we shall come to a good
end at the close of our lives. I do not think that it is a
knowing of something ( a gnosis), but rather as existing in a
form of being that has been transformed from a prior form of
being or existing in the world ( a pleroma or a fullness that is
found in Christ). As we are transformed in Christ, so we enter
into what we shall and must become ...
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Re: Helplessly Hoping - CSN
By: paralambano Date: February 4, 2019, 11:34 am
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Holland -
[quote]As an existentialist, para, I tend to be skeptical of
platonic or neo-platonic conceptions of form. I tend to see the
Biblical view of humankind as a psychophysical unity of flesh
and spirit and soul. As physical beings, we have existence in
time and space and so life within that sphere is not an
illusion. But we lack, fundamentally, the being and truth that
enables us to escape the illusions of life and so life, itself,
is mortally threatened by those illusions and so we could agree
to the fact that illusion is one of the prime issues that
disrupt life as it should be lived.[/quote]
Do you not see time and space as illusion? It appears that
you're saying (and I could be misinterpreting) that time and
space are real, therefore life within it can't be an illusion.
On one hand you seem to be saying that life within time and
space isn't an illusion and on the other, that there are
illusions in life we can't escape since we lack the truth that
allows us to escape them.
Jesus said that we will know the truth and that truth will free
us. He said that he would free the captives and give sight to
the blind, to free the oppressed. The oppressed for me are those
who are slaves of sin (wrongful thinking) and oppressed by the
(d)evil. Jesus healed all those who were oppressed of the devil.
The devil is described as a liar, a deceiver - - one that
induces a belief in another power besides God (from which all
sin derives). Yes, I agree, illusions are the prime issues that
disrupt life but Jesus said that we will know the truth. I take
this to mean that we will learn how to deal with these
illusions.
[quote]We have to live in pain and privation of the good, take
up our cross and follow Jesus. And in doing so we shall come to
a good end at the close of our lives. I do not think that it is
a knowing of something ( a gnosis), but rather as existing in a
form of being that has been transformed from a prior form of
being or existing in the world ( a pleroma or a fullness that is
found in Christ). As we are transformed in Christ, so we enter
into what we shall and must become ...[/quote]
I'm not sure about having to live in pain and privation. Taking
up one's cross literally meant that in a time of persecution
where crucifixion and other things were employed against
believers and others. So now it becomes a metaphor for any
believers suffering for their faith by others. Yes, until we
know the Truth fully we suffer by illusion but suffering's not
the goal. Not even for Jesus. He likely was never physically ill
a day in his life here. His suffering (His please God, no) was a
result of his arrest and crucifixion and knowing what happens to
those who won't accept Truth. He underwent suffering (in the
style of the day) to publicly demonstrate that he had power over
the enemy called death (He called Himself the Life, Truth, Way).
He accepted the illusion for himself, sacrificing himself by it
(God's will not my human will) to show that he had defeated it
and by the same power we too are to work out our salvation from
the illusion. He had done it for others; now he did it for
himself. And we follow however the illusion appears for us. He
has gone ahead and shown us how. He could have left like Elijah
or Enoch before all of that suffering. Instead, he sacrificed
himself for us.
Jesus said that those who believe in him will never see death
and if we believe in him, we'll do even greater works (so-called
miracles but all naturally divine). I don't believe in a close
of life since that close of life is itself an illusion
"sinfully" believed by us because we fail to believe in Life
(God) as ALL. We sentimentalize Jesus instead of actually
believing in the power of His Christ (Truth) to deliver us in
the Eternal Now which we've divided into time/space. So we
"wait" for death as if it's the gateway to Life (it's not). So
we go from dream to dream until we learn to deal with the
illusion. So I believe.
para . . . .
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