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       China
   DIR By: Kerry
       Date: December 16, 2018, 7:14 am
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       It's not made a big splash in the news; but China has been
       withholding samples of the latest flu viruses from Western
       countries.  I realize not everyone believes flu vaccines work;
       but shouldn't people who believe it works be given the choice?
       Why is China taking such an action if it's not political?
       August 29, 2018  China defies WHO, hinders U.S. development of
       bird flu vaccine, report says
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       Despite requests from U.S. research institutions and government
       officials, the Chinese government has concealed lab samples of
       H7N9, a type of bird flu, from the U.S. for more than a year,
       The New York Times reports. The specimens are necessary for
       creating vaccines and preparing for future biological threats.
       Exchanges of such samples have previously been routine under
       rules the World Health Organization created.
       But as the U.S. feuds with China over trade, scientists are
       concerned the critical exchange of medical supplies and
       information could be delayed, blocking the world's preparation
       for the next biological threat.
       "Jeopardizing U.S. access to foreign pathogens and therapies to
       counter them undermines our nation's ability to protect against
       infections which can spread globally within days," Michael
       Callahan, MD, an infectious disease specialist at Harvard
       Medical School in Boston, told the Times.
       Experts agree that the next global pandemic will probably come
       from the flu once again, and the H7N9 virus is a potential
       candidate.
       "Pandemic influenza spreads faster than anything else," said
       Rick Bright, PhD, the director of Biomedical Advanced Research
       and Development Authority, an agency within HHS that oversees
       vaccine development. "There's nothing to hold it back or slow it
       down. Every minute counts."
       August 28, 2018 China Has Been Withholding Bird Flu Samples for
       a Year. Here's Why Thousands Could Die
  HTML http://fortune.com/2018/08/28/china-has-been-withholding-bird-flu-samples-for-a-year-heres-why-thousands-could-die/
       The alleged refusal of China to provide samples for over a year
       has baffled and infuriated experts who spoke to the New York
       Times. The transfer of samples typically takes months and relies
       on World Health Organization (WHO) rules. The holdup may be tied
       to the trade war started by the Trump administration, which has
       imposed waves of tariffs against China.
       To make matters worse, the Chinese companies that produce flu
       vaccines in China for Chinese people have had huge problems.
       It's not as if the Chinese think they can produce vaccines in
       China for sale in the West.
       November 28, 2018 Sanofi hesitance, domestic scandal and company
       drama cut flu vaccine supply in China
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       It isn’t a scene one would expect after the world battled a
       severe flu season. But in China, supply of flu vaccines this
       season has come down, thanks to reduced offering from Sanofi
       Pasteur, a high-profile vaccine scandal and a nasty fight for
       control over a Nasdaq-listed company.
       The number of flu shots approved by Chinese regulators so far
       this season has fallen about 19% to about 15.2 million doses,
       according to data from August to Nov. 25 as disclosed by China’s
       National Institute for Food and Drug Control, which is
       responsible for vaccine inspection before each batch is released
       to the market.
       Sanofi Pasteur, which was the largest contributor during the
       same period last year with about 5.5 million doses,
       significantly reduced its offering to merely 1.2 million.
       The article goes on in some detail about the various problems
       with flu vaccine production in China.  I found it shocking that
       they can't produce enough vaccine for their own domestic market,
       and yet seem bent on preventing the US from producing a vaccine
       for the latest flu strains.
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       Re: China
   DIR By: paralambano
       Date: December 16, 2018, 7:40 am
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       Indirectly, maybe? China gives it to Deutschland who gives it to
       the US? Face?
       Ol' thermal para  .  .  .  .
       #Post#: 20930--------------------------------------------------
       Re: China
   DIR By: KerimF
       Date: December 16, 2018, 7:57 am
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       I understand that the common American people have no choice but
       trusting their system as being of peace, of humanitarian aids
       and alike.
       But, year after year, most people outside America witnessed
       evidences by which they have gradually lost their trust in
       whatever comes, officially or scientifically, from the US
       System.
       Truth be said, I ceased to trust the US System after I
       personally discovered the biggest lie behind AIDS propaganda for
       which billions of dollars were invested, in all around the world
       and for many years, in order to present it as a natural
       disease/infection and to also relate it to sex.
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       Re: China
   DIR By: guest6
       Date: December 16, 2018, 10:03 am
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       [quote author=KerimF link=topic=1374.msg20930#msg20930
       date=1544968635]
       I understand that the common American people have no choice but
       trusting their system as being of peace, of humanitarian aids
       and alike. [/Quote]
       I think the average American does have a choice as to whether to
       trust the system. Some might feel like they don't have a choice
       but they do. Many Americans don't trust the system or support
       (agree with) it.
       I think the same is true for most countries. There are people in
       those countries who trust the system in place there, some who
       feel like they don't have a choice but to trust that system,
       others who don't trust that system or support (agree with)it.
       People are more alike and have more in common than they realize.
       #Post#: 20936--------------------------------------------------
       Re: China
   DIR By: Kerry
       Date: December 16, 2018, 7:32 pm
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       --- Quote from: KerimF link ---
       >
       > I understand that the common American people have no choice
       but trusting their system as being of peace, of humanitarian
       aids and alike.
       >
       > But, year after year, most people outside America witnessed
       evidences by which they have gradually lost their trust in
       whatever comes, officially or scientifically, from the US
       System.
       --- End Quote ---
       I mostly trust our system.  However  I trust few of the people
       who run for office.  The strength of the American system is that
       power is not centralized in the hands of one person.  Anyone who
       gets too outrageous can be brought down by the other branches.
       I trust (for the most part) the FBI and CIA.  I trust most of
       the departments because if they get too far out of bounds they
       can be chastised by Congress or the President or by the courts.
       
       Look at President Trump's predicament.  I don't know if he'll be
       impeached and convicted.  I rather think not.  I think he may
       resign in a year or so when the situation gets so hot he knows
       he can't win.  The Justice Department and the courts are doing
       their business as they should; and no one, not even the
       President, is above the law.
       For the most part too, our elections are far.  There are
       problems, but for the most part, things go as they should.  So
       if the Republicans mess up, they can get voted out.  If the
       Democrats mess up,  the same can happen to them.  The fact that
       they criticize each other all the time also helps keep them
       fairly honest; and if people in one party mess up, people in the
       other party will jump on them.
       --- Quote ---
       > Truth be said, I ceased to trust the US System after I
       personally discovered the biggest lie behind AIDS propaganda for
       which billions of dollars were invested, in all around the world
       and for many years, in order to present it as a natural
       disease/infection and to also relate it to sex.
       --- End Quote ---
       I think I believe what you call a lie.
  HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_HIV/AIDS
       #Post#: 20937--------------------------------------------------
       Re: China
   DIR By: Kerry
       Date: December 16, 2018, 7:34 pm
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       --- Quote from: paralambano link ---
       >
       > Indirectly, maybe? China gives it to Deutschland who gives it
       to the US? Face?
       >
       >
       > Ol' thermal para  .  .  .  .
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I haven't heard of any connection like that.  There is a time
       problem, I think, since it takes time to develop and then
       manufacture the vaccine.
       #Post#: 20948--------------------------------------------------
       Re: China
   DIR By: Kerry
       Date: December 17, 2018, 4:18 pm
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       From South China Morning Post:   China and Russia band together
       on controversial heating experiments to modify the atmosphere
  HTML https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/2178214/china-and-russia-band-together-controversial-heating-experiments
       China and Russia have modified an important layer of the
       atmosphere above Europe to test a controversial technology for
       possible military application, according to Chinese scientists
       involved in the project.
       A total of five experiments were carried out in June. One, on
       June 7, caused physical disturbance over an area as large as
       126,000 sq km (49,000 square miles), or about half the size of
       Britain.
       The modified zone, looming more than 500km (310 miles) high over
       Vasilsursk, a small Russian town in eastern Europe, experienced
       an electric spike with 10 times more negatively charged
       subatomic particles than surrounding regions.
       It isn't much of a surprise that the Chinese and Russians are
       interested in this;  their cooperating is more of a  surprise.
       The Sura base in Vasilsursk is believed to be the world’s first
       large-scale facility built for the purpose. Up and running in
       1981, it enabled Soviet scientists to manipulate the sky as an
       instrument for military operations, such as submarine
       communication.
       High-energy microwaves can pluck the electromagnetic field in
       ionosphere like fingers playing a harp. This can produce very
       low-frequency radio signals that can penetrate the ground or
       water – sometimes to depths of more than 100 metres (328 feet)
       in the ocean, which made it a possible communication method for
       submarines.
       Changing the ionosphere over enemy territory can also disrupt or
       cut off their communication with satellites.
       The US military learned from the Russian experiment and built a
       much larger facility to conduct similar tests.
       The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, or HAARP,
       was established in Gakona, Alaska, in the 1990s with funding
       from the US military and the Defence Advanced Research Projects
       Agency.
       The HAARP facility could generate a maximum 1 gigawatt of power,
       nearly four times that of Sura.
       #Post#: 20950--------------------------------------------------
       Re: China
   DIR By: Kerry
       Date: December 17, 2018, 4:21 pm
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       From the same source:  Operation Z machine: China’s next big
       weapon in the nuclear ‘arms race’ could create clean fuel – or
       deadly bombs
  HTML https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/2177652/operation-z-machine-chinas-next-big-weapon-nuclear-arms-race
       It’s been described as a Chinese version of America’s “Z
       machine” – formally known as the Z Pulsed Power Facility – a
       giant wheel-like device developed by the United States to see
       how particles react under extreme radiation and magnetic
       pressure.
       Z machines have been used in the development of nuclear weapons,
       from conventional warheads to the pure fusion bomb – a hydrogen
       bomb that can in theory be made in any size, cost a fraction of
       today’s nuclear stockpile and burn “cleanly” without producing
       radioactive fallout.
       And for decades, the Z machine at Sandia National Laboratories
       in Albuquerque, New Mexico, has led the way in the field.
       But now Chinese researchers are trying to build a machine that
       will produce much more electricity to create much more extreme
       environments for testing weapons, allowing scientists to delve
       deeper into the nuclear unknown.
       #Post#: 20955--------------------------------------------------
       Re: China
   DIR By: Kerry
       Date: December 17, 2018, 6:08 pm
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       This is revolting news.
  HTML https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/us-sportswear-traced-factory-chinas-internment-camps-59873480
       Chinese men and women locked in a mass detention camp where
       authorities are "re-educating" ethnic minorities are sewing
       clothes that have been imported all year by a U.S. sportswear
       company.
       The camp, in Hotan, China, is one of a growing number of
       internment camps in the Xinjiang region, where by some estimates
       1 million Muslims are detained, forced to give up their language
       and their religion and subject to political indoctrination. Now,
       the Chinese government is also forcing some detainees to work in
       manufacturing and food industries. Some of them are within the
       internment camps; others are privately-owned, state-subsidized
       factories where detainees are sent once they are released.
       The Associated Press has tracked recent, ongoing shipments from
       one such factory — Hetian Taida Apparel — inside an internment
       camp to Badger Sportswear, a leading supplier in Statesville,
       North Carolina. Badger's clothes are sold on college campuses
       and to sports teams across the country, although there is no way
       to tell where any particular shirt made in Xinjiang ends up.
       The shipments show how difficult it is to stop products made
       with forced labor from getting into the global supply chain,
       even though such imports are illegal in the U.S. Badger CEO John
       Anton said Sunday that the company would halt shipments while it
       investigates.
       Of course, the Chinese have an explanation.
       Hetian Taida's chairman Wu Hongbo confirmed that the company has
       a factory inside a re-education compound, and said they provide
       employment to those trainees who were deemed by the government
       to be "unproblematic."
       "We're making our contribution to eradicating poverty," Wu told
       the AP over the phone.
       Chinese authorities say the camps offer free vocational training
       for Uighurs, Kazakhs and other minorities, mostly Muslims, as
       part of a plan to bring them into "a modern civilized" world and
       eliminate poverty in the region. They say that people in the
       centers have signed agreements to receive vocational training.
       I'd like to know how much the people in these camps are being
       paid for their labor.   Calling it "free vocational training"
       isn't convincing.
       However, a dozen people who either had been in a camp or had
       friends or family in one told the AP that detainees they knew
       were given no choice but to work at the factories. Most of the
       Uighurs and Kazakhs, who were interviewed in exile, also said
       that even people with professional jobs were retrained to do
       menial work.
       Payment varied according to the factory. Some got paid nothing,
       while others earned up to several hundred dollars a month, they
       said — barely above minimum wage for the poorer parts of
       Xinjiang. A person with firsthand knowledge of the situation in
       one county estimated that more than 10,000 detainees — or 10 to
       20 percent of the internment population there — are working in
       factories, with some earning just a tenth of what they used to
       earn before. The person declined to be named out of fear of
       retribution.
       A former reporter for Xinjiang TV in exile said that during his
       month-long detention last year, young people in his camp were
       taken away in the mornings to work without compensation in
       carpentry and a cement factory.
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       Re: China
   DIR By: paralambano
       Date: December 18, 2018, 11:04 am
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       Kerry -  ^
       "inside a re-education compound".
       That says it all. What a moronic idea.
       para .    .    .    .
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