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God and imperfection
By: KerimF Date: August 29, 2018, 7:59 am
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I became sure that Jesus (as presented on the Arabic Gospel I
have) is in the Will/Power that created me (and created the
universe in which I was born) after I saw in Him the perfect
teacher.
Does this let me be a Christian? Of course it doesn't.
A typical Christian is supposed to worship Jesus and see in Him
"The Saviour". He is not supposed to learn from Jesus as being
the sole perfect teacher (about life) in human history. A
typical Christian has to look for the Truth (the set of answers
related to his important questions about life) from many other
sources (starting from the Jewish prophets).
It is rather easy saying that Jesus is God. But it is not easy
at all saying that Jesus teachings are perfect. After all, they
are perfect only to those who are born of the Spirit too. But to
those who are created to serve the material world, hence born of
the flesh only, Jesus teachings sound nonsense unless they can
be used to gain more money and power, besides being famous (as
in politics).
After I discovered that Jesus is indeed perfect in His message
(His teachings, sayings and way of life) and, therefore, I
didn't need any other source to get/confirm the logical answers
to all my important questions that I was looking for, I couldn't
present myself as being Christian. I guess I am just a free
independent disciple of Jesus Christ.
For instance, a real teacher doesn't look for followers. And, as
a loving father, he enjoys seeing each of his students succeed
in what he does after being armed by the knowledge he needed.
So I wonder how a person succeed in convincing himself that
Jesus is God but He came with the inability (for some reasons I
can't guess) to be the perfect source of knowledge. Yes, I am
afraid it is very clear that the last two statements contradict
each other, but I also used hearing different logic of mine. I
am all ears ;)
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Re: God and imperfection
By: HOLLAND Date: August 29, 2018, 8:14 am
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^^^I don't understand you, KerimF. If we can understand that
Jesus is God and that Jesus became incarnate as a human, it must
follow that Jesus must live in the paradox of being both human
and divine. If this reality is manifold, in a certain sense, he
has omniscience. At other times he would have seemingly
imperfect knowledge.
If something is asserted to be a paradox, it is not something
that can be admitted to a total rational explanation. But
haven't you seen the human phenomena of people who know things
perfectly well seem to be forgetful or somehow not know the same
things at various periods of their lives? And this something
seems to be more than a problem of memory . . .
#Post#: 19860--------------------------------------------------
Re: God and imperfection
By: KerimF Date: August 29, 2018, 10:37 am
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[quote author=HOLLAND link=topic=1355.msg19856#msg19856
date=1535548465]
^^^I don't understand you, KerimF. If we can understand that
Jesus is God and that Jesus became incarnate as a human, it must
follow that Jesus must live in the paradox of being both human
and divine. If this reality is manifold, in a certain sense, he
has omniscience. At other times he would have seemingly
imperfect knowledge.
If something is asserted to be a paradox, it is not something
that can be admitted to a total rational explanation. But
haven't you seen the human phenomena of people who know things
perfectly well seem to be forgetful or somehow not know the same
things at various periods of their lives? And this something
seems to be more than a problem of memory . . .
[/quote]
Let me walk with you and admit that Jesus has to be imperfect in
his teachings for putting on a human living flesh.
Now, I wonder which truth, very important to you, was revealed
in a way better than Jesus did or perhaps He missed it
completely.
Thank you.
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Re: God and imperfection
By: HOLLAND Date: August 30, 2018, 9:13 pm
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[quote author=KerimF link=topic=1355.msg19860#msg19860
date=1535557063]
Let me walk with you and admit that Jesus has to be imperfect in
his teachings for putting on a human living flesh.[/quote]
Why, KerimF, does putting on human flesh lead to imperfection in
his teachings?
[quote]Now, I wonder which truth, very important to you, was
revealed in a way better than Jesus did or perhaps He missed it
completely.
Thank you.[/quote]
I doubt that any truth that I've learned was revealed in a way
better than Jesus. I cannot imagine that Jesus has missed the
truth of something. Could you explain what you mean?
[/quote]
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Re: God and imperfection
By: KerimF Date: August 31, 2018, 3:33 am
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[quote author=HOLLAND link=topic=1355.msg19884#msg19884
date=1535681622]
Why, KerimF, does putting on human flesh lead to imperfection in
his teachings?
I doubt that any truth that I've learned was revealed in a way
better than Jesus. I cannot imagine that Jesus has missed the
truth of something. Could you explain what you mean?
[/quote]
I am sorry. From your reply #1, I understood the exact opposite
of what you try telling me now ;)
So let me check if I understand you well this time :)
For example, you seem agreeing with me that God's teachings that
were addressed to the ancient Jews became obsolete, after the
arrival of Jesus Christ, for being no more important (as my
school books are souvenirs to me now) or for being fully updated
by Jesus.
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