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Recommended Movies
By: paralambano Date: December 12, 2017, 12:34 pm
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Saw this lovely film recently:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JABOZpoBYQE
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAfR8omt-CY
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsD9m3v9Jqg
It's funny in parts and has a decent message about wishing . .
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para . . . . .
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Re: Recommended Movies
By: Kerry Date: December 13, 2017, 12:43 am
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I never understood Woody Allen movies. Other people seem too,
so I guess it's just me. For example, what was the point of
the man throwing his cigarette butt into the street?
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Re: Recommended Movies
By: paralambano Date: December 13, 2017, 9:29 am
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^
He didn't want his fingertips to start smouldering?
para . . . .
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Re: Recommended Movies
By: paralambano Date: December 13, 2017, 4:03 pm
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Leave it to a woman to try to get it done for her man:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbs-CEVUX5E
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q69AUpWpwps
Extraordinary movie which plays with time.
para . . . .
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Re: Recommended Movies
By: Kerry Date: December 13, 2017, 5:43 pm
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1296.msg17041#msg17041
date=1513178964]
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He didn't want his fingertips to start smouldering?
para . . . .
[/quote]But why was that in the movie?
They didn't have an ashtray? Did you notice how clean the
streets of Paris were? Of course you did; but it was no thanks
to the person who threw his cigarette butt out. Why was that
character depicted as being such a slob, maybe a sophisticated
slob, but still a slob who defiles the beauty of the city of
Paris.
If people jumped out of a car like that and talked like that to
me, I would have thought they were up to no good. When I saw
they were rich and drinking, I would have had to suppose their
interest in me was like that a entomologist has for bugs.
After seeing him throw his cigarette butt down, obviously
because someone else in the servant class would pick it up for
him, that would have clinched it for me.
I understand the superior air that come Parisians assume and
also the resentment of other French people who aren't from Paris
about how much money is spent on keeping Paris looking so good
while so much less money is spent elsewhere. I side with the
non-Parisians; and I hadn't been thinking in political terms
until the man threw the cigarette butt down. Up to then, I had
forgotten my feelings about it and was observing the various
scenes of Paris, and wondering why I was being shown them.
Was it a travel promotion scheme meant to encourage tourism to
Paris? It felt like it. Or maybe it was some kind of adulation
reveling in the splendors of the "City of Light." Was I
supposed to be impressed? Envious? I didn't know, so I
just watched the scenes.
It seemed poorly put together to me though -- if I made a movie
and wanted to incorporate various scenes from Paris, I would
have done it from the viewpoint of a person -- probably someone
in a cab being driven from one point to another; and I would
have had conversation going on from time to time, thus killing
two birds with one stone. That's me, though, That's how I
would done it. For me, the thing in a movie or any drama, is
the characters. Drama should teach us something about our
fellow man, so it should instruct us by pleasing us to get our
attention; therefore plot enters as the way of instructing us.
We come to understand the characters through the plot since
plot and characters are interdependent.
The scenes when the main character got lost have something else
happening -- that made more sense. My revulsion was roused
first by the rudeness he met with when people didn't understand
English. That showed a contempt for him, or so it seemed to me.
That was the first inkling I got of how superior some
Parisians can act at times.
The cigarette butt incident showed me the same thing, and I
began to feel the loathing I have for the smug attitude held by
some residents of Paris. They consider themselves so cultured,
so elite, yet they can act like pigs with aristocratic airs. I
would judge everyone who throws cigarette butts on the ground
the same way. Not at all; but in a city where total cleanness
is insisted on as a point of pride, it becomes offensive. "I
can act like I'm Louis XIV living in splendor, and my servants
will clean up any messes I make. I can get drunk and act
irresponsibly because I'm one of the privileged people."
I feel pretty sure my reaction of loathing and contempt is not
what the movie maker intended. That leaves me confused why the
cigarette butt incident was included. My mind is geared to try
to understand people, and its wheels tend to keep spinning along
those lines even over a small detail; so I'm left wondering if
it says something about Woody Allen?
Did he think that incident depicted people behaving in a
positive way? I think perhaps he did see it as something a
"sophisticated" person would do. I see him as being seduced by
the atmosphere of "cultural superiority and class privilege" of
Paris so he sees the superficial beauty but fails to see the
injustice ugliness beneath. That in its turn made me think of
some nastiness out of Allen's real life, something he might
also see as something a sophisticated and privileged person
would do.
Throw your cigarette butts out on the street if you want; it's
no biggy to me -- but if you do, then don't be proud of how
beautiful your city is and act as if you're someone special for
living there. It's the poor and underprivileged people who keep
it beautiful, not you.
I admire people who actually do something that makes things
better. My sympathy lies with the street cleaner than more
than with the person who throws his butts on the street. The
street cleaner is a better person in my eyes.
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Re: Recommended Movies
By: HOLLAND Date: December 13, 2017, 9:25 pm
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1296.msg17033#msg17033
date=1513103648]
Saw this lovely film recently:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JABOZpoBYQE
. . .
It's funny in parts and has a decent message about wishing . .
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para . . . . .
[/quote]
I don't know what to think of the movie, para, per se, but I do
think the above video is lovely. Thanks for sharing the info
regarding this movie . . .
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Re: Recommended Movies
By: paralambano Date: December 14, 2017, 7:17 am
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Kerry-
Whew, that seemed like a lot to unload :).
I think the movie was a charming vision of a Paris that doesn't
exist - - a romanticized one. The theme is one of wishing for a
life in a time which interests one and how impossible that is
since now, our time, ought to be the fulfilling one.
It's not an anti-littering polemic. Maybe Al Gore can make one
for that which I can skip since I've been noted for my tidiness
:).
para . . . .
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Re: Recommended Movies
By: paralambano Date: December 14, 2017, 4:00 pm
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Holland -
[quote]I don't know what to think of the movie, para, per se,
but I do think the above video is lovely. Thanks for sharing
the info regarding this movie . . . [/quote]
You're welcome :). It is lovely, isn't it? That opening
reminded me of the intro to Manhattan. Both are the filmmaker's
visual/musical tributes to the two cities I think:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mwZYGcbQCo
para . . . .
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Re: Recommended Movies
By: Kerry Date: December 15, 2017, 4:48 am
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I heard a song this morning on NPR that reminded me of this
thread -- "How Ya Gonna Keep Em Down on the Farm?" -- after
they've seen Pareee.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYflT3h6lCQ
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Re: Recommended Movies
By: paralambano Date: December 16, 2017, 9:05 am
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Kerry - ^
Vraiment, Monsieur.
When even evil fulfilled its dream of touring Paris. Not to
destroy its buildings but as a template for the "new" Berlin:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=003iC7VZmYc
para . . . .
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