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Why the Difference -- Cattle and Beasts
By: Kerry Date: July 7, 2017, 12:38 am
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Ever notice the difference in how Goliath and David spoke?
Goliath says -- "beasts of the field" or "cattle."
1 Samuel 17:44 And the Philistine said to David, Come to me, and
I will give thy flesh unto the fowls of the air, and to the
beasts of the field.
David says -- "wild beasts of the earth".
46 This day will the LORD deliver thee into mine hand; and I
will smite thee, and take thine head from thee; and I will give
the carcases of the host of the Philistines this day unto the
fowls of the air, and to the wild beasts of the earth; that all
the earth may know that there is a God in Israel.
I believe Goliath revealed how he wanted to corrupt all nature.
It's not natural for cows or sheep to eat the flesh of humans;
but that's what he said he would do. David was content to say
he'd let the wild animals do that kind of eating. Not only was
Goliath corrupt himself, he wanted to corrupt all nature.
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Re: Why the Difference -- Cattle and Beasts
By: paralambano Date: July 8, 2017, 11:35 am
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[quote]I believe Goliath revealed how he wanted to corrupt all
nature. It's not natural for cows or sheep to eat the flesh of
humans; but that's what he said he would do. David was content
to say he'd let the wild animals do that kind of eating. Not
only was Goliath corrupt himself, he wanted to corrupt all
nature. [/quote]
Ya, that's what Goliath imagined - - a world where docile
animals turn wild instead of the other way around (millennium).
para . . . .
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Re: Why the Difference -- Cattle and Beasts
By: Kerry Date: July 9, 2017, 7:42 am
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1239.msg15459#msg15459
date=1499531746]
Ya, that's what Goliath imagined - - a world where docile
animals turn wild instead of the other way around (millennium).
para . . . .
[/quote]Yes, creating more chaos and disorder instead of wanting
peace and tranquility. I see it as a wish to pervert the
principles set forth in Genesis for days five and six. I also
see Goliath as a type of "beast" himself, as a type of 666.
There are hints this may be so. Perhaps the most notable is
where David aims his shot -- right in the middle of Goliath's
forehead -- indicating the corrupt imagination of darkened inner
eye. His height contains a six being "six cubits and a span."
His spear weighed six hundred shekels of iron. He also had six
fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot.
That then makes me ask why David chose only five stones. These
were "stones" from a brook, rather like "dry land" from the
water. One was enough, so why five? Better safe than sorry, of
course; but I think the five also show the desire to establish
harmony by the first five days of Genesis so man could work on
the principle set forth in day six, where men need to work on
themselves.
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Re: Why the Difference -- Cattle and Beasts
By: paralambano Date: July 11, 2017, 9:37 am
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Kerry -
[quote]Yes, creating more chaos and disorder instead of wanting
peace and tranquility. I see it as a wish to pervert the
principles set forth in Genesis for days five and six. I also
see Goliath as a type of "beast" himself, as a type of 666.
There are hints this may be so. Perhaps the most notable is
where David aims his shot -- right in the middle of Goliath's
forehead -- indicating the corrupt imagination of darkened inner
eye. His height contains a six being "six cubits and a span."
His spear weighed six hundred shekels of iron. He also had six
fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot. [/quote]
A couple of things here. I don't doubt that Goliath was a type
of anti-Christ. Some "fundamentalist" evangelicals might
disagree with my use of the word "anti-Christ" here since
perhaps they figure Christ Jesus had yet to appear or maybe
there can only be the one "real" anti-Christ some might be
waiting for, but I'm using the term in the sense of anything
that is opposed to Truth Divine by which David operated.
Goliath is compared to bear and lion, is seen as one who is
invincible and boastful, asks David if he (Goliath) is a dog and
he's wounded in the head and then has his head severed. John, in
his Book employs these terms to write of an anti-Christ in his
own time.
Yes to the suggestion that the forehead represents the darkened
eye of Goliath. I would add that it was Goliath's thinking that
was darkened.
[quote]That then makes me ask why David chose only five stones.
These were "stones" from a brook, rather like "dry land" from
the water. One was enough, so why five? Better safe than
sorry, of course; but I think the five also show the desire to
establish harmony by the first five days of Genesis so man could
work on the principle set forth in day six, where men need to
work on themselves. [/quote]
On the surface of it, some say Goliath was one of five brothers
so David was arming himself against the vendetta. That may very
well be so. I tend to see the kind of stones chosen and where
they were taken from as symbolizing the purification (smoothing)
of the five senses by Living Waters. It's the appearance of
Goliath which terrified the Israelites so it's one stone that
will change it slung by God's true man seeing/understanding what
God can do. So, I agree with what you've written above. God's
true man establishes order where chaos threatens.
para . . . .
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Re: Why the Difference -- Cattle and Beasts
By: Kerry Date: July 13, 2017, 5:23 am
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1239.msg15476#msg15476
date=1499783862]
Kerry -
A couple of things here. I don't doubt that Goliath was a type
of anti-Christ. Some "fundamentalist" evangelicals might
disagree with my use of the word "anti-Christ" here since
perhaps they figure Christ Jesus had yet to appear or maybe
there can only be the one "real" anti-Christ some might be
waiting for, but I'm using the term in the sense of anything
that is opposed to Truth Divine by which David
operated.[/quote]I use the word the way you do. Those with the
anointing of the Spirit can be called Christlike, and anything
in opposition is anti-Christ. I believe that's how John used
the word in his Epistle; and that's the only place it's used.
[quote]Goliath is compared to bear and lion, is seen as one who
is invincible and boastful, asks David if he (Goliath) is a dog
and he's wounded in the head and then has his head severed.
John, in his Book employs these terms to write of an anti-Christ
in his own time.
Yes to the suggestion that the forehead represents the darkened
eye of Goliath. I would add that it was Goliath's thinking that
was darkened.[/quote]Yes, we agree.
[quote]On the surface of it, some say Goliath was one of five
brothers so David was arming himself against the vendetta. That
may very well be so. I tend to see the kind of stones chosen and
where they were taken from as symbolizing the purification
(smoothing) of the five senses by Living Waters. It's the
appearance of Goliath which terrified the Israelites so it's one
stone that will change it slung by God's true man
seeing/understanding what God can do. So, I agree with what
you've written above. God's true man establishes order where
chaos threatens.[/quote]
The different places Goliath is mentioned are still not
completely clear in my mind.
One Jewish interpretation says that "Elhanan the son of
Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite" was another way of saying "David."
They say David killed the brother of Goliath later. Perhaps it
wasn't Goliath himself who had the six fingers and six toes?
Not that changes my opinion of Goliath as being an anti-Christ
type of fellow.
I think I like the explanation about the brothers better than my
former explanation. There was a family of these giants as 2
Samuel 21 indicates.
I also see the spirit of anti-Christ at work in Jezebel. Talk
about having a wicked imagination. Ahab might have been a much
better king if he hadn't fallen under her spell. I think
that's shown too by the description of how the dogs wouldn't eat
her hands, feet and face.
It may surprise some too that I see the Passover as somehow
connected with the removal of the wicked imagination from
Israel. It was certainly not considered a sacrifice for sin
since one of the prophets said Israel was not commanded to have
sacrifices for sin while they were in Egypt. The removal of
wicked imagination is shown, I think, by where the blood was
put: Over the doors and on the sideposts. If you visualize a
man standing in the door, those would correspond to the head
and hands. The "Blood of the Lamb" is meant to transform the
mind and spirit -- so that humans attain the spirit of the lamb.
Past sins seem rather trivial and can be forgotten as if they
never existed if a man's mind is transformed so that he will
not sin again. In a way, I suppose sin in a certain way
never did really exist anyway although its spell seems powerful
when men are believing in it.
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Re: Why the Difference -- Cattle and Beasts
By: paralambano Date: July 13, 2017, 9:25 am
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Kerry -
[quote]The different places Goliath is mentioned are still not
completely clear in my mind.
One Jewish interpretation says that "Elhanan the son of
Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite" was another way of saying "David."
They say David killed the brother of Goliath later. Perhaps it
wasn't Goliath himself who had the six fingers and six toes?
Not that changes my opinion of Goliath as being an anti-Christ
type of fellow.
I think I like the explanation about the brothers better than my
former explanation. There was a family of these giants as 2
Samuel 21 indicates.[/quote]
One does not have to have six fingers and six toes to be
anti-Christ as we no doubt understand. Apparently, I'm unable as
of yet to travel back in time to ascertain the precise
appearance of any of these characters and their families. I
prefer your reading put forward of the Days of the Book of
Genesis in this regard to that of the brothers since it strongly
suggests that God is Good. It's a spiritual rendering rather
than a fleshly one. Here it is:
Quote from Kerry (italics mine):
[quote]Better safe than sorry, of course; but I think the five
also show the desire to establish harmony by the first five days
of Genesis so man could work on the principle set forth in day
six, where men need to work on themselves. [/quote]
This tells me more about what God is to you in part than who the
giants were and how they appeared.
[quote]I also see the spirit of anti-Christ at work in Jezebel.
Talk about having a wicked imagination. Ahab might have been a
much better king if he hadn't fallen under her spell. I think
that's shown too by the description of how the dogs wouldn't eat
her hands, feet and face. [/quote]
It's all imagining and thinking, Kerry. It's what we do all the
day long.
[quote]It may surprise some too that I see the Passover as
somehow connected with the removal of the wicked imagination
from Israel. It was certainly not considered a sacrifice for
sin since one of the prophets said Israel was not commanded to
have sacrifices for sin while they were in Egypt. The removal
of wicked imagination is shown, I think, by where the blood was
put: Over the doors and on the sideposts. If you visualize a
man standing in the door, those would correspond to the head
and hands. The "Blood of the Lamb" is meant to transform the
mind and spirit -- so that humans attain the spirit of the lamb.
Past sins seem rather trivial and can be forgotten as if they
never existed if a man's mind is transformed so that he will
not sin again. In a way, I suppose sin in a certain way
never did really exist anyway although its spell seems powerful
when men are believing in it. [/quote]
Ya, the mind and spirit (body usefulness). Ya too to sin never
having actually existed. How could it really when everything
actual came from Good? A good and perfect tree never produces
bad fruit. A good and perfect spring does not produce sweet and
bitter waters. We live in a world of our thinking (good and
evil).
para . . . .
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