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The Curse on the Mayo Team?
By: Kerry Date: September 16, 2016, 6:22 pm
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Mayo just qualified again for the all-Ireland final. Are they
doomed to lose again because of a curse in 1951? From the BBC
HTML http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37378935:
[quote]No other county has such fervour for the country's most
popular sport, but none either has known such an abysmal run of
luck - a series of misfortunes so shocking that every Irish
football-lover knows the story of the curse of Mayo.
It dates back to the day in 1951 when a victorious Mayo team
headed home to the west of Ireland from Dublin, after a
comfortable win over Meath. The champions travelled with less
pomp than today - making the journey to the evening's
celebrations in the back of a truck.
Legend has it that when they passed a funeral in the town of
Foxford without stopping or paying respects, a curse was cast
that Mayo would never again win the All-Ireland championship
until all members of that team had died. True or not, they've
not won since.
One member of the team, Mickey Mulderrig - a neighbour of mine
in Dublin before his death in 2013 - rubbished the notion of a
curse whenever the subject came up. Just two of his teammates
survive today: Dr Padraig Carney, nicknamed "Mayo's Flying
Doctor", who lives in the US, and Paddy Prendergast - "Mayo's
Ballet Full-Back" as the Irish Times christened him.
Speaking at his home in County Kerry, Paddy Prendergast also
dismisses the curse. "The story was that there was a funeral and
that the team didn't get off the truck to go to it. It's
nonsense," he says. "We were in the back of the truck and we
didn't even know there was a funeral. How could we know? We
couldn't even see out over the sides.
"I thought it was totally ridiculous when I first heard it some
years ago. There was talk that some holy woman or a priest had
put a curse on us. What priest would do that to us? But when a
story like that starts in Ireland, it's hard to stop it."
As the years of defeat have turned to decades, though, he has
begun to understand why others might believe it.
"It would make you think there's something in the curse. After
all the defeats, you'd have to think there was something in it,"
he says, laughing.[/quote]
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Re: The Curse on the Mayo Team?
By: paralambano Date: September 17, 2016, 10:46 am
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Kerry -
It's like the example you gave of one who tells a small child
that there's a monster under the child's bed at night. The child
is trusting and believes it's so and they will probably empower
the illusion. As they grow in wisdom, they learn that it's the
one who told them it who's the monster.
Superstitions. Adults among themselves ought to know better.
para . . . .
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Re: The Curse on the Mayo Team?
By: Kerry Date: September 18, 2016, 10:49 pm
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1124.msg12935#msg12935
date=1474127203]
Kerry -
It's like the example you gave of one who tells a small child
that there's a monster under the child's bed at night. The child
is trusting and believes it's so and they will probably empower
the illusion. As they grow in wisdom, they learn that it's the
one who told them it who's the monster.
Superstitions. Adults among themselves ought to know
better.[/quote]Well, for now it seems we'll have to hold our
breaths. Mayo didn't win; but then again neither did Dublin!
And the playoff is set for October 1, so we'll have to wait to
see how this plays out. I didn't understand half the terms in
the story I read about it; but it sounded as if several
unexpected things happened.
HTML http://www.skysports.com/gaa/gaelic-football/news/30543/10583977/dublin-and-mayo-draw-in-tense-all-ireland-final
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Re: The Curse on the Mayo Team?
By: paralambano Date: September 19, 2016, 11:00 am
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Kerry -
[quote]I didn't understand half the terms in the story I read
about it[/quote]
You and me both. This isn't soccer apparently. It's a game I've
never even ever heard about: Gaelic football.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_football
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_football
The Irish Premier Division in soccer has the following teams
currently:
Team
Bohemians
Bray Wanderers
Cork City
Derry City
Dundalk
Finn Harps
Galway United
Longford Town
Shamrock Rovers
Sligo Rovers
St. Patrick's Athletic
Wexford Youths
para . . . .
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Re: The Curse on the Mayo Team?
By: Kerry Date: September 19, 2016, 10:09 pm
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I was confused by the scores in the article. Wikipedia
explains the scoring too.[quote]To determine the score-line
goals must be converted to points and added to the other points.
For example, in a match with a final score of Team A 0–21 Team B
4–8, Team A is the winner with 21 points, as Team B scored only
20 points (4 times 3, plus 8 ).[/quote]
That's one confusion cleared up. Thanks.
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Re: The Curse on the Mayo Team?
By: Kerry Date: October 4, 2016, 4:25 am
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I forgot to check this on October 1. Mayo lost.
HTML http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-rob-hennelly-makes-instagram-statement-after-all-ireland-heartbreak-1.2814902
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Re: The Curse on the Mayo Team?
By: paralambano Date: October 8, 2016, 11:14 am
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SALADIN saturnine, watchful, delicate with his food, is
dining with IMAD and a still-astonished MULLAH.
MULLAH
The battle must come. You have
promised to drive the Christians
into the sea. You have not done so.
SALADIN makes no response. He sips tea, staring into flame.
MULLAH (CONT’D)
Why did we retire? God could not
favor him! God alone determines the
results of battles.
SALADIN
The results of battles are
determined by God. But also by
preparation, numbers, the absence
of disease, and the availability of
water.
(kindly)
One cannot maintain a siege with
the enemy behind.
The MULLAH stares: heresy.
SALADIN (CONT’D)
How many battles did God win for
the Muslims before I came?
(a courtly pause)
Before, that is, God determined
that I should come.
MULLAH
Few enough.
(thinks about the reason)
That is because we were sinful.
SALADIN
It is because you were unprepared.
MULLAH
If you think that way you shall not
be king for long.
SALADIN
(drily)
When I am not king I quake for
Islam.
(he takes the Mullah’s
hands)
Thank you for your visit.
From: Script by William Monohan Kingdom of Heaven
I agree with Monohan's Saladin.
para . . . .
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Re: The Curse on the Mayo Team?
By: Kerry Date: October 9, 2016, 5:35 am
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I wonder if William Monohan was prepared to write that? :D
Could Saladin have been drinking tea? I find it hard to
imagine.
I think anyone who embarks on a project without adequate
preparation is probably cursed. This is a self-imposed
condition which is the result of double mindedness. The
conscience is a powerful thing when we defy it; and it can work
to undermine us if we are double minded, wanting to achieve
something on one hand and wanting to fail on the other.
Take the "curse" put on Michel. David didn't tell her he's
cursing her. He didn't. Even if he had said so, he couldn't
have said it unless she had already cursed herself by doing
wrong and failing to repent.
When the Bible talks of God cursing someone, I think the
situation is similar. If someone sins and fails to repent when
he comes to know about it, he's effectively defiling his
conscience and cursing himself. God may go into agreement with
that free will action, adding Heavenly Power to the power the
individual has.
God told Moses to tell Israel, "As truly as I live, as ye have
spoken in mine ears, so will I do to you."
Take too the curse on the fig tree. It was capable of bearing
figs for Jesus even if the season was wrong but refused. So I
believe.
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Re: The Curse on the Mayo Team?
By: paralambano Date: October 9, 2016, 2:44 pm
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Kerry -
The excerpt is from a draft of the screenplay. He could have
written in "Pepsi" for all I know if he had wanted in the
initial write. In any case, if I'm remembering rightly,
Saladin isn't drinking anything when talking to the mullah in
the movie proper.
As I see it, the "sin" is that they were unprepared as Saladin
says. I agree with your take on Michel insofar as Michel goes
into a negative state by consciousness. It's not like an old
bearded God sitting on a throne is abracadabraing her by a curse
as if this a tale of the Arabian Nights folklore for me. If
enough people believe in the Mayo curse, then it becomes the
dominant thought or norm in the collective subconscious.
Some people are unreasonable and superstitious. I don't believe
in a God who is either. Neither were we meant to be these things
as the reflex image of God. And what perfect God has made can't
actually be imperfect - - it can only be seemingly so by
nachash, the unguarded acceptance on our part of errors in
thinking which become our carnal consciousness and all the good
and evil that entails. This has to do with the methodology of
yes and no. We are gatekeepers of our thinking - - admitting or
dismissing thoughts as they cross our inner sky like clouds.
They pass many times unguarded within three seconds of
appearing. The truth is that there is no real curse on Mayo - -
only an acceptance by some that it's true. We were not made to
be slaves of curses or matter but look around. Christ came to
set the captives free of this hypothetical but believed
nonsense. There is none other actual or real power but Good and
by Good I mean none other than God.
para . . . .
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Re: The Curse on the Mayo Team?
By: Kerry Date: October 27, 2016, 6:12 pm
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So are the Cubs cursed? After hearing they got beat 6-0 in
the first game, I thought maybe they were jinxing themselves.
Then then won the second game 5-1, and I thought maybe they had
shaken it off.
I found the story about this "curse" at CBS Sports
HTML http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/cubs-reach-2016-world-series-tracking-the-origins-of-the-curse-of-the-billy-goat/:
[quote]The commonly accepted tale goes like this: a tavern owner
named Williams Sianis tried taking his goat, Murphy, to Game 4
of the 1945 World Series between the Chicago Cubs and Detroit
Tigers. He'd purchased two tickets and argued with ushers that
the tickets did not outlaw a goat. Nonetheless, Sianis and
Murphy were rejected, at which point Sianis hexed the Cubs --
the exact details of the hex remain unclear.
But there are other accounts suggesting Murphy had a more
eventful day at the ballpark than most believe. In "Da Curse of
the Billy Goat," Steve Gatto's 2004 book on the subject, it's
suggested that Sianis was permitted entry to Wrigley Field with
Murphy. What's more is that Murphy was allowed in the stands,
even after he stamped around the field prior to the game. It was
only later in the game, when Murphy's odor became overpowering,
that the duo were kicked out. Sianis then placed his curse, and
that was that.[/quote]
HTML http://files.umwblogs.org/blogs.dir/1797/files/2012/01/billygoat11.jpg
I found that a black cat caused some hysteria by in 1969 in
Shea Stadium in the pennant race.
HTML http://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2015/10/12/3b1f8987-e2f4-4c42-a540-028c3007c963/resize/670x377/d73f544a47b511224ca2e8603ed60171/cat-getty.jpg
Many someone needs to apologize to goats. Maybe they should
invite some goats to their games.
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