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The Mandela Effect
By: coldwar Date: June 4, 2016, 7:02 am
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The latest trend on You Tube is something called "The Mandela
Effect", defined as " a theory put forth by writer and
“paranormal consultant” Fiona Broome that shared false memories
are in fact glimpses into parallel worlds with different
timelines." Broome says that the origin of her theory came out
of a discussion about whether or not Nelson Mandela died in
prison. This has been observed for several years now, but now
people are saying that "every printed Bible in the world has
changed, citing specific word changes, like in the Lord's
Prayer, where in the Matthew 6 version, it was thought to have
read "forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them who trespass
against us" - they insist that it has now been changed to
"forgive us our debts..." The Luke 11 version has it as "sins...
indebted to us". Another example is how everybody recalls the
verse that reads "the lion shall lay down with the lamb..."
right? If it's Isa 11:6 they're referring to, it "now" reads
"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall
lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the
fatling together; and a little child shall lead them."
Of course I had to check this out. Now I've been using
electronic Bibles exclusively since the early 1990's running
first under DOS (pre-Windows), so I wasn't even sure where my
old printed Bible was, but after a bit of digging, I found my
old Scofield Edition. Sure enough, it's the wolf, and not the
lion. It's debts and not trespasses. But, as I was once in a
"Bible Fundamentalist" church, I had lot's of "preaching notes"
scribbled in my margins - in the Lord's Prayer Matthew passage,
I wrote "= sin" next to the word "debts". But I will admit, the
Isa 11:6 word t threw me for a loop; like many others, I thought
"the lion shall lay down with the lamb." Isa 65:25 is similar -
"The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall
eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's
meat." But for this one, I certainly remember that it's "the
lion shall eat straw like the bullock".
Pop culture and disasters also play into it - people are
insisting that things happened on other specific dates. Examples
- the Challenger disaster (Jan 28, 1986) was thought to be
sometime in '84, John Lennon's assassination (Dec 8, 1980), the
death of Billy Graham (he's still alive), Mohammed Ali (he just
died yesterday). But i have known all along that Lennon was shot
in 1980, and it was very cold outside. With the Challenger
disaster, I recall that when it happened, I had a 1984 VW I had
bought second hand, and that it was sometime in deep winter, so
it had to be January 1986 in my mind. Also, my wife at that time
(not the one I'm wed to now) had just mis-carried what would've
been our 4th child, so strong personal connections to an event
make strong personal memories.
People on you Tube are saying that the CERN large collider is
responsible - that it has "changed" our reality right down to
the words printed in every Bible in the world.
But what these people are ignorant of is that, for example, the
Lord's Prayer as recited in churches never was exactly as
printed in the KJV Bible. They're "remembering" tradition
instead. As for the lion and the lamb, people are remembering
the preaching of TV evangelists, not the Bible. For example, I
recall Jack Van Impe often quoting "the lion shall lay down with
the lamb". Another one of his chestnuts was "Damascus shall be a
ruinous heap, a habitation of jackals..." ... supposedly Isa
17:1. He was quoting the first part correctly, but it's
Jerusalem, not Damascus that will become a "habitation of
dragons" (not jackals).
This phenomena is nothing more than people not remembering
things exactly. Although I do believe in the possibility of
other dimensions and realities, I don't believe this is what's
happening now. The world has not shifted because of CERN - not
yet.
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Re: The Mandela Effect
By: paralambano Date: June 4, 2016, 9:43 am
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Ya, coldwar, what do some say? Repeat a lie many times and
people start believing it. People thought McCartney was dead
when he was alive. I think he let that one ride for awhile.
Sometimes I think popular people have passed on since I haven't
heard about them for a while. I'm surprised then when they pop
up. Thinking can be a trickster sometimes.
para . . . .
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Re: The Mandela Effect
By: HOLLAND Date: June 5, 2016, 1:18 pm
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[quote author=coldwar link=topic=1092.msg12292#msg12292
date=1465041737]
The latest trend on You Tube is something called "The Mandela
Effect", defined as " a theory put forth by writer and
“paranormal consultant” Fiona Broome that shared false memories
are in fact glimpses into parallel worlds with different
timelines." Broome says that the origin of her theory came out
of a discussion about whether or not Nelson Mandela died in
prison. This has been observed for several years now, but now
people are saying that "every printed Bible in the world has
changed, citing specific word changes, like in the Lord's
Prayer, where in the Matthew 6 version, it was thought to have
read "forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them who trespass
against us" - they insist that it has now been changed to
"forgive us our debts..." The Luke 11 version has it as "sins...
indebted to us". Another example is how everybody recalls the
verse that reads "the lion shall lay down with the lamb..."
right? If it's Isa 11:6 they're referring to, it "now" reads
"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall
lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the
fatling together; and a little child shall lead them."
Of course I had to check this out. Now I've been using
electronic Bibles exclusively since the early 1990's running
first under DOS (pre-Windows), so I wasn't even sure where my
old printed Bible was, but after a bit of digging, I found my
old Scofield Edition. Sure enough, it's the wolf, and not the
lion. It's debts and not trespasses. But, as I was once in a
"Bible Fundamentalist" church, I had lot's of "preaching notes"
scribbled in my margins - in the Lord's Prayer Matthew passage,
I wrote "= sin" next to the word "debts". But I will admit, the
Isa 11:6 word t threw me for a loop; like many others, I thought
"the lion shall lay down with the lamb." Isa 65:25 is similar -
"The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall
eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's
meat." But for this one, I certainly remember that it's "the
lion shall eat straw like the bullock".
Pop culture and disasters also play into it - people are
insisting that things happened on other specific dates. Examples
- the Challenger disaster (Jan 28, 1986) was thought to be
sometime in '84, John Lennon's assassination (Dec 8, 1980), the
death of Billy Graham (he's still alive), Mohammed Ali (he just
died yesterday). But i have known all along that Lennon was shot
in 1980, and it was very cold outside. With the Challenger
disaster, I recall that when it happened, I had a 1984 VW I had
bought second hand, and that it was sometime in deep winter, so
it had to be January 1986 in my mind. Also, my wife at that time
(not the one I'm wed to now) had just mis-carried what would've
been our 4th child, so strong personal connections to an event
make strong personal memories.
People on you Tube are saying that the CERN large collider is
responsible - that it has "changed" our reality right down to
the words printed in every Bible in the world.
But what these people are ignorant of is that, for example, the
Lord's Prayer as recited in churches never was exactly as
printed in the KJV Bible. They're "remembering" tradition
instead. As for the lion and the lamb, people are remembering
the preaching of TV evangelists, not the Bible. For example, I
recall Jack Van Impe often quoting "the lion shall lay down with
the lamb". Another one of his chestnuts was "Damascus shall be a
ruinous heap, a habitation of jackals..." ... supposedly Isa
17:1. He was quoting the first part correctly, but it's
Jerusalem, not Damascus that will become a "habitation of
dragons" (not jackals).
This phenomena is nothing more than people not remembering
things exactly. Although I do believe in the possibility of
other dimensions and realities, I don't believe this is what's
happening now. The world has not shifted because of CERN - not
yet.
[/quote]
I recall, coldwar, that Steven Hawking had posited the belief
that there are multiverses in existence and that analogues of
ourselves could appear in many of those continuums and be making
choices that we do not make in the universe here, and that who
we are, ultimately, and that the plenitude of who were are would
be realized in the collective consciousness of that existence if
it attained a supra-unified consciousness. This could have some
connection with false memories that we may have or memories of
supposed prior existences as beings in this universe. Needless
to say, the theological consequences of these views could have a
significant impact upon present day understandings of the faith.
Peace be with you!
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Re: The Mandela Effect
By: Kerry Date: June 5, 2016, 3:10 pm
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We can't even agree about what's going on now. Look at the
American election. Different people have different takes. I
think much of what is passed off as history is bunk. Our
perceptions of what happened may be important than what really
happened.
One of my favorite examples of how things get blurred easily
comes from the First Nicene Council where they devised the
Nicene Creed and said everyone was to recite it exactly that
way. A later Ecumenical Council that revised it and also said
people should use their version which they said was the
original. No one, absolutely no one, today uses the original
creed; and according to the Council of Nicea, anyone using any
other creed was cursed.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed
What is astounding is that both Catholic and Orthodox Churches
say they have the right tradition, the truth as delivered to the
saints; but when you delve into things, you find alterations in
many things other than this creed. The more they changed
things, the more they made the claim nothing had ever changed,
that they had the unaltered truth.
American Bishops recently altered the Nicene Creed again
HTML http://www.todayscatholicnews.org/2011/01/the-new-translation-of-the-holy-mass-8/<br
/>by changing "we" to "I" in several places. This is a big
change if you ask me, putting the emphasis on the individual
rather than his identity as part of the Body of Christ.
No one would dare mention the curse of Nicea for altering the
Creed. No one takes that seriously anymore -- but the Catholic
Church will still tell you all decisions of the Ecumenical
Councils are pure truth and completely binding.
Give it a few hundred years, and the people who remembered the
Creed using "we" will be dead; and a generation who can remember
only "I" will in the pews and they will likely believe the
Nicene Creed always used "I". After all, their Bishops
tell them nothing ever gets changed.
Then there's the matter of the word "filioque" added by the
Catholics and argued about ever since with the Orthodox. The
Orthodox are fast to condemn the Catholics for altering the
Creed; but they neglect admitting theirs is also not the
original.
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Re: The Mandela Effect
By: Kerry Date: June 5, 2016, 3:23 pm
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Let's discuss Muhammad Ali. He belonged to the Nation of
Islam, a group still characterized as a "hate group" by the
Southern Poverty Law Center
HTML https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nation-islam<br
/>-- an organization that surely "leans" to the left. Yet you
probably can't find a liberal around who would dare mention
this at the moment. The life of Ali is being presented in a
different way. I see the British paper, the Independent
HTML http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/muhammad-ali-nation-of-islam-michael-parkinson-interview-who-were-elijah-muhammad-a7066301.html,<br
/>dared to write some material that others chose not to.
The whites of America, said Ali, had “lynched us, raped us,
castrated us, tarred and feathered us … Elijah Muhammad has been
preaching that the white man of America – God taught him – is
the blue-eyed, blond-headed Devil! No good in him, no justice,
he’s gonna be destroyed!
“The white man is the Devil. We do believe that. We know it!”
#Post#: 12307--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Mandela Effect
By: Brad Date: June 5, 2016, 8:40 pm
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Although he was a good fighter and was good at self promotion, I
get tired of all the hoopla about him. He was in fact the top
"professional boxer" in the U.S. for a time , but not the world.
And there is NO way to compare the man to men from generations
ago. At first he was spoken of the greatest boxer in the world
(an assumption that held no facts to back it up), then of all
time (ohh, the lack oh humility in addition to lack of facts to
back it up), then the other day, I heard the greatest man of his
age. I wonder if this was done to placate muslims in the US?
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Re: The Mandela Effect
By: coldwar Date: June 6, 2016, 9:15 am
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Ali's death is coincidental with this sudden rage of false
memories, and people who believe we've suddenly gone through a
major earth event, where the dead have been raised, and words
are actually changing on old printed pages, including (and
especially) words in the Bible. As for Ali, people "remember"
that he had died before, and now he has died again! Same goes
for a bunch of celebrities who people "remember" had died -
Billy Graham, Carol Burnett, Jim Nabors, and of course Nelson
Mandela among many others. I think that what people are
"remembering" are other things that were in the news about these
people - Mandela's wife sought a divorce from Nelson while he
was in prison, but he didn't die in prison; Jim Nabors married
his male partner, becoming one of the first gay celebrities to
marry, but he hasn't died yet; Billy Graham has severe
Parkinson's, but still very much alive.
People are also "remembering" different names for products and
other things - "Depend" diapers were "Depends", Ketchup used to
be Catsup, Jif Peanut Butter is now "Jiffy", a children's book
and carton series "Berenstein Bears" is now "Barenstain". But
the diapers were always "Depend" - I've been buying them for my
wife for years - she finds good deals on them in Want Ads
(because somebody died or doesn't need them any more) and I
drive to go pick them up. I suppose if you went into a drug
store, you might ask "do you have any Depends" or "do you have
any Depend Diapers", but never "do you have any Depend"? This is
a trick of the mind, nothing more. "Catsup" was what it used to
be called in the USA only - internationally, it has always been
called "Ketchup" - at some point the US must've changed, and of
course, everyone has long ago thrown away their old Catsup"
bottles. I do not know anything about Jif Peanut Butter, as I
don't recall ever seeing it in Canadian stores; but there used
to be one here called "Skippy" which was mixed with something
else (marshmallow fluff I think?) I remember it because they had
an Ad Campaign called "Skippy-Dipping" and I have a dirty mind.
As for Berenstain Bears, I recall my kids watching the cartoons
and having the books, but it was pronounced Barensteen - I think
that nobody actually noticed the odd spelling, and are just now
freaking out because the pronunciation doesn't match the
spelling, and think that CERN has actually caused the spelling
to be changed on the old children's books they might still have
in their house..
As for the Bible, here are some things going on with this mass
hystaria, all centred on the KJV.
"No man putteth new wine into old wineskins". The KJV actually
says "bottles", but nope - these nutters don't believe that -
instead they think the CERN machine and D-Wave Quantum Computer
has changed the actual print on the page of every KJ Bible in
the world. My only printed bible is a "New Scofield" Edition,
purchased in 1976 and I remember it's word changes. It's because
Scofield used the KJV, but "modernized" some words in this "New"
edition (but not his original). Great example - KJV "bottles" in
Matt. 9:17 was changed to "wineskins" by Scofield. It was not
changed within the past few days.
Aside from the Lord's Prayer "trespasses" "changed" to "debts"
noted above, another one is that the KJV says "in earth as it is
in heaven", but they're insisting that it "used to say" "on
earth". Remember the song by the Sister Janet Mead?
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j__6Eyt8uYM
(My goodness, I'd forgotten how much she sounds like one of my
favourite singers, Maddy Prior) Anyway, this is what people are
remembering. It's a good thing CERN hasn't messed up any old
songs yet! Besides, the Greek word is "epi" which can mean
either "in" or "on". It can also mean "over", "upon", "at"
"about" and many other things. Our recall from Prayer Books,
Mom's kitchen wall plaque, and a song by "The Singing Nun" are
not the same as recall from the KJV Bible. The ASV and Catholic
(Douay-Rheims) Bibles translate it "on" earth, "in" heaven, but
being the same Greek word, it doesn't matter.
Another good one is Luke 17:34 - 34 I tell you, in that night
there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and
the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding
together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two
men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other
left. Somebody on YouTube was thinking that a note that he found
written in his margin, the word "people" must've been added by
the big machine! In the KJV, "men" and "women" are in Italics,
meaning these words are not in the original Greek. If his study
notes says "people", that's what the preacher (rightly) told him
it meant - it's an implied word in English, but as the words men
and women were never really there, it is gender-neutral.
Anyway, people seem to be in a terribly fearful and
superstitious state today. Maybe there is a big machine that's
causing people to lose their minds, but I'm sure it's not
changing words in the Bible, or on product labels, or on
children's books.
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