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#Post#: 15172--------------------------------------------------
“Preach the Gospel, When necessary, use words.” but NOT THE BIBL
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By: Ivor Date: August 24, 2020, 7:23 pm
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“Preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use words.”
means to show Jesus in us by our actions, however on a Christian
forum all we have is words.
On this single thread can someone please preach the GOOD NEWS
without any reference to the bible whatsoever. The denigration
of the bible is far greater on this forum than others so please
tell me how to live my Christian life without it..
If its a proverb or a story or anything Jesus or God uses that
is in the bible IT CANNOT BE USED, this thread alone is a BIBLE
FREE thread as though we and those born before us lived
completely without its influence whatsoever.
[color=red][size=16pt]
[color=black]Imagine we are living in that world come true
(dream come true to some) where there never was or is a bible so
it hasn't any authority whatsoever just like everyone keeps
telling me that it hasn't ...... Don't use anything that's in it
... It does not exist
please PREACH ON my friends
#Post#: 15174--------------------------------------------------
Re: “Preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use words.
” but NOT THE BIBLE
By: Pia Date: August 25, 2020, 5:56 am
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[quote author=Ivor link=topic=995.msg15172#msg15172
date=1598315029]
“Preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use words.”
means to show Jesus in us by our actions, however on a Christian
forum all we have is words.
On this single thread can someone please preach the GOOD NEWS
without any reference to the bible whatsoever. The denigration
of the bible is far greater on this forum than others so please
tell me how to live my Christian life without it..
If its a proverb or a story or anything Jesus or God uses that
is in the bible IT CANNOT BE USED, this thread alone is a BIBLE
FREE thread as though we and those born before us lived
completely without its influence whatsoever.
[color=red][size=16pt]
[color=black]Imagine we are living in that world come true
(dream come true to some) where there never was or is a bible so
it hasn't any authority whatsoever just like everyone keeps
telling me that it hasn't ...... Don't use anything that's in it
... It does not exist
please PREACH ON my friends
[/quote]Seems to me He found a way, since no Bibles were even
formed nor edited till the mid 3rd century.....The Holy Spirit
is so very much more capable, than we like to give Him credit
for..... It seems almost like ?...... We don't we trust Him
?...Don't we trust in the Living Word ?..Why won't we believe
that He is able to do far more exceedingly, abundantly, above
ANYTHING we can even imagine or think...?......Thankfully, some
are beginning to see this vital difference, between being full
of The Spirit and being full of learnedness........
#Post#: 15175--------------------------------------------------
Re: “Preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use words.
” but NOT THE BIBLE
By: Pat Date: August 25, 2020, 6:55 am
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[quote author=Ivor link=topic=995.msg15172#msg15172
date=1598315029]
“Preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use
words.” means to show Jesus in us by our actions, however
on a Christian forum all we have is words.
On this single thread can someone please preach the GOOD NEWS
without any reference to the bible whatsoever. The denigration
of the bible is far greater on this forum than others so please
tell me how to live my Christian life without it..
If its a proverb or a story or anything Jesus or God uses that
is in the bible IT CANNOT BE USED, this thread alone is a BIBLE
FREE thread as though we and those born before us lived
completely without its influence whatsoever.
[color=red][size=16pt]
[color=black]Imagine we are living in that world come true
(dream come true to some) where there never was or is a bible so
it hasn't any authority whatsoever just like everyone keeps
telling me that it hasn't ...... Don't use anything that's in it
... It does not exist
please PREACH ON my friends
[/quote]
The good news is: Jesus died for me and when I came to
understand that and called out for him to forgive me he did and
my life got so much better because he is in it. If he did that
for me he will do it for you to if you want him to.
#Post#: 15176--------------------------------------------------
Re: “Preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use words.
” but NOT THE BIBLE
By: mark Date: August 25, 2020, 10:02 am
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We can preach the Gospel without the Bible. We can teach
theology and eschatology without the Bible. And what will we be
teaching?
I heard something not long ago, which I'll adapt to the use
here, Knowing Jesus is like the middle of a river flowing, and
the Bible is like the banks of that river. Get too far away
from Jesus, and the river banks will direct you back into the
stream.
As we've seen on forums, there are all manner of ideas about
God. Who He is, what He did, what He's doing, seriously! Not
everyone can be right.
I think the more someone pushes away the Bible, the less
agreement they will have with other believers. The more we hold
to the Bible, the more agreement with each other we will have.
Someone can say, "Isn't the Holy Spirit enough to teach us?
They didn't always have the Bible!" But we do now.
Take DNA, for example. Is our genome the same purity as Adam's?
I'll bet not. Generation after generation mutations are
introduced, compounded, until there is much that is different, I
think.
I think it's the same with spiritual teaching. There is such a
mixture of Spirit filled and gifted teachers, and others who
aren't even reborn, that centuries later we have a body of
teaching and variety of beliefs about God that defy all attempts
to reach unity.
But in the Bible we have the one true answer, it hasn't changed.
Imagine your wife, your husband, writes you a letter. Do you
throw it away unread? That's not my wife! That's just ink and
paper! No, I cherish what she writes to me.
And I cherish even more what God wrote to me.
Much love!
#Post#: 15177--------------------------------------------------
Re: “Preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use words.
” but NOT THE BIBLE
By: James Date: August 25, 2020, 11:11 am
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[size=18pt]Thanks for that Mark, some very good thoughts. Not
heard the one about the bible being the banks that direct us
back to Jesus.
I do remember a teacher who was dealing with this subject of “is
the bible the fourth member of the Godhead”. He put it like
this, ‘ the bible is like a map that you use to take you
somewhere you have never been before, it shows you the way but
it is not the way, it’s just a map. On your journey you may have
to stop and check the map to see if you are on the right road as
you approach a crossroads, the signpost might point to a little
deception, but when you consult the map deception is not the
road to take.
#Post#: 15178--------------------------------------------------
Re: “Preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use words.
” but NOT THE BIBLE
By: James Date: August 25, 2020, 11:36 am
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[font=times new roman]I notice ivor that you are not getting any
takers, those who will preach the good news without referencing
the bible.
I can't help but see Pia that you did not answer the question
asked by ivor. Saying "there was a way before the bible came
about" only adds to the strength of the bible.
If the Lord God who called Abram out of Ur without a bible, the
same Lord who instructed the Adams without a bible, then decided
that he needed to set down some basic helps for the preservation
of his people via Moses and a mountain top experience, then I am
OK with him setting down some help via a book.
I do not believe that I have the authority to tell anyone that
they don't need the bible.
What I would say, to someone who asked for counsel, are the
words of Mary to the servants at the marriage feast "whatsoever
he saith unto you do it". If someone tells me that The Lord
Jesus spoke to them via the bible I will be a happy Christian.
If someone says God spoke via a dream, that's good to me. If
they hear the voice of Jesus Christ then its great. Whats
important is that they are hearing the living word of God and
that they are, as Mary said 'Doing It'
[/font]
#Post#: 15180--------------------------------------------------
Re: “Preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use words.
” but NOT THE BIBLE
By: Ivor Date: August 25, 2020, 12:32 pm
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[quote author=Pia link=topic=995.msg15174#msg15174
date=1598353007]
Seems to me He found a way, since no Bibles were even formed nor
edited till the mid 3rd century.....The Holy Spirit is so very
much more capable, than we like to give Him credit for..... It
seems almost like ?...... We don't we trust Him ?...Don't we
trust in the Living Word ?..Why won't we believe that He is able
to do far more exceedingly, abundantly, above ANYTHING we can
even imagine or think...?......Thankfully, some are beginning to
see this vital difference, between being full of The Spirit and
being full of learnedness........
[/quote]
Full of one at the determent to the other are both wrong. Truth
does genuinely matter and requires some kind of measure if one
man is full of genuine Holy Spirit and the other man is full of
a Deceptive Spirit and they speak two opposing truths. Pia are
you saying that both truths are right?
We are not a democracy where we vote by number for the truth we
want, we are a theocracy where God rules by his principles that
we accept wholeheartedly and try to follow. His principles are
our gemstones that we use when comparing both accounts as two
claim to be speaking truth by the Holy Spirit yet they are
blatantly speaking opposing views.
I personally only know one way to find who is speaking truth -
Pia how do you work out that scenario without scriptural
confirmation? Then how to confirm that truth to the next person?
#Post#: 15183--------------------------------------------------
Re: “Preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use words.
” but NOT THE BIBLE
By: mark Date: August 25, 2020, 4:09 pm
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[quote author=James link=topic=995.msg15177#msg15177
date=1598371893]
[size=18pt]Thanks for that Mark, some very good thoughts. Not
heard the one about the bible being the banks that direct us
back to Jesus.
I do remember a teacher who was dealing with this subject of “is
the bible the fourth member of the Godhead”. He put it like
this, ‘ the bible is like a map that you use to take you
somewhere you have never been before, it shows you the way but
it is not the way, it’s just a map. On your journey you may have
to stop and check the map to see if you are on the right road as
you approach a crossroads, the signpost might point to a little
deception, but when you consult the map deception is not the
road to take.
[/quote]
Hi James,
I've also learned it is a communicator, in that God just somehow
will match the words I'm reading to the contents of my heart,
whether it is my through the Bible reading, or random, or
something coming over the radio.
And in so doing speak personally to me, about that moment. I've
also had occassion for God to use the reading of a place in His
Word to be the instrument by which He has done works of power in
my life.
To me the Bible, yes, not a 4th in the Trinity, but just the
same, how to say this right, it carries the living Word of God
through it's pages.
Something I've come to think about the Bible, you mention
pointing us away from deception, it just seems to me that error
is plainly revealed, but the truth comes more slowly, maybe
because we have to obey the truth we have so we are able to
receive more.
Much love!
#Post#: 15188--------------------------------------------------
Re: “Preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use words.
” but NOT THE BIBLE
By: Pia Date: August 27, 2020, 3:09 am
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[quote author=mark link=topic=995.msg15176#msg15176
date=1598367749]
We can preach the Gospel without the Bible. We can teach
theology and eschatology without the Bible. And what will we be
teaching?
I heard something not long ago, which I'll adapt to the use
here, Knowing Jesus is like the middle of a river flowing, and
the Bible is like the banks of that river. Get too far away
from Jesus, and the river banks will direct you back into the
stream.
As we've seen on forums, there are all manner of ideas about
God. Who He is, what He did, what He's doing, seriously! Not
everyone can be right.
I think the more someone pushes away the Bible, the less
agreement they will have with other believers. The more we hold
to the Bible, the more agreement with each other we will have.
Someone can say, "Isn't the Holy Spirit enough to teach us?
They didn't always have the Bible!" But we do now.
Take DNA, for example. Is our genome the same purity as Adam's?
I'll bet not. Generation after generation mutations are
introduced, compounded, until there is much that is different, I
think.
I think it's the same with spiritual teaching. There is such a
mixture of Spirit filled and gifted teachers, and others who
aren't even reborn, that centuries later we have a body of
teaching and variety of beliefs about God that defy all attempts
to reach unity.
But in the Bible we have the one true answer, it hasn't changed.
Imagine your wife, your husband, writes you a letter. Do you
throw it away unread? That's not my wife! That's just ink and
paper! No, I cherish what she writes to me.
And I cherish even more what God wrote to me.
Much love!
[/quote]Hello Mark.....I don't think anyone has in mind to push
away the Bible, merely to put it in it's right
perspective.....However to be able to say that one has heard any
Truth...it surely has to be from above and through The
Spirit....His Truth is never ending and is ALWAYS Truth, it does
not alter.
Remember in the gospel, when Jesus asks His disciples, who men
say that He is ?...they give Him some answers....then Jesus asks
Peter, and Peters reply, gets the following response from Jesus
:" Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you..BUT My Father,
who is in heaven ".......Thus cementing that Truth such as this
ONLY comes from above.
Since Truth is always Truth and The Spirit of God never changes,
why would anyone assume He will tell men anything, which is in
any way different from one time to another ?
As I asked in my post....Is it that we don't trust Him
?..Perhaps we don't trust ourselves, in being able to hear what
The Spirit is saying ?
We should OBVIOUSLY always await confirmation, if we want to
pass any revelation unto others, and be very mindful that this
is where the enemy can try to 'slip ' in a lie......So yeah, we
do need to stay REAL close to Jesus and listen very intently to
The Spirit and what He is saying....Perhaps more so, than what
we hear 1000's of other voices saying about Him.
Use the Bible as a wonderful tool pointing us in the directions
of things we can ask for understanding about, for one thing..And
to marvel and learn some things from those who went
before..........I do however believe that we ought to give Him
the glory due, for being alive......thus being able to pass on
that Life to us and begin our loving, living relationship with
Him, which we can have individually or corporately.....A
wondrous Life, in His Love and Light, wisdom and Peace and so
forth.........
A brand new Life, for a brand New Creation, not made by the ways
of man, but by the will of God, created IN Christ Jesus and made
righteous in Him..
#Post#: 15189--------------------------------------------------
Re: “Preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use words.
” but NOT THE BIBLE
By: Pia Date: August 27, 2020, 3:23 am
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[quote author=Ivor link=topic=995.msg15180#msg15180
date=1598376771]
Full of one at the determent to the other are both wrong. Truth
does genuinely matter and requires some kind of measure if one
man is full of genuine Holy Spirit and the other man is full of
a Deceptive Spirit and they speak two opposing truths. Pia are
you saying that both truths are right?
We are not a democracy where we vote by number for the truth we
want, we are a theocracy where God rules by his principles that
we accept wholeheartedly and try to follow. His principles are
our gemstones that we use when comparing both accounts as two
claim to be speaking truth by the Holy Spirit yet they are
blatantly speaking opposing views.
I personally only know one way to find who is speaking truth -
Pia how do you work out that scenario without scriptural
confirmation? Then how to confirm that truth to the next person?
[/quote]No Ivor, you have misunderstood me......However I sent
another little post to you, where in I recognize all the various
different ways God can bring us, to exactly where He wants us to
be....so I will keep to more general posts. Each one in his own
time, and at his right place, for a particular season...
You believe in Jesus, you trust Him....that is all I need to
know to call you Brother.
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