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A bit of a contridiction
By: James Date: August 19, 2020, 11:24 pm
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[font=times new roman]For years now, and I do mean years, I have
listened to Christians declaring that. “No one, meaning other
Christians, can see what is going on they don’t understand the
forces who really are controlling the world”.
Now a lot of people are aware that some people have an agenda
for the future of our planet.
Many Christians are now awake and realise that spiritual forces
have been working behind the scenes for the past 6000 years.
Does this please those believers who complained that there
fellow believers were asleep, not a bit. Now they complain that
the woke Christians are talking to much about this new light
that has come into their understanding.
Makes me wonder am I ever content, or just like those saints who
wanted others to see always find fault.
God is so good and we are so blessed, how is it that we could
ever have a down day or a reason to moan. I suspect that the
enemy of souls is full of guile and that coupled with me being
no way as dead as I think I am makes for a very bumpy ride
sometimes. So it’s back to seeking” what are you saying to me
Lord”. What you are saying to others is their business.[/font]
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Re: A bit of a contridiction
By: Ivor Date: August 22, 2020, 2:20 am
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There has never been a moment when God is not in total control,
whether its taking action in something or allowing others to
lead then the plan is always God's even if from our standpoint
looking around it may be chaos.
That's not what God sees looking down upon us because he already
knows the end from the beginning of time and our faith is such
that we believe He is good at the end because He is good to us
hourly in our relationship with Him.. If God cares for the
smallest things when I ask of him like finding me to only
parking space then he must have a hold on absolutely everything
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Re: A bit of a contridiction
By: Pia Date: August 25, 2020, 5:49 am
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[quote author=Ivor link=topic=994.msg15161#msg15161
date=1598080854]
There has never been a moment when God is not in total control,
whether its taking action in something or allowing others to
lead then the plan is always God's even if from our standpoint
looking around it may be chaos.
That's not what God sees looking down upon us because he already
knows the end from the beginning of time and our faith is such
that we believe He is good at the end because He is good to us
hourly in our relationship with Him.. If God cares for the
smallest things when I ask of him like finding me to only
parking space then he must have a hold on absolutely everything
[/quote]Hello Ivor.......I feel lead to ask you to read the
first chapter of Genesis, as in it, you will find EXACTLY, how
God relinquished full control, when He empowered the earth and
mankind, and then gave Dominion to us.....For the reasons,
brought to fullness in Christ ( from our perspective.....'will
be'...from His " It is done !'
The Lord bless you...
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Re: A bit of a contridiction
By: James Date: August 25, 2020, 11:55 am
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[font=times new roman]Pia sounds to me as if you are comparing
experiential truth and positional truth.
I am reminded Pia that in the days of Joseph (dare I use the
bible) Pharaoh told Joseph that no man in the land would be able
to lift up his foot without Joseph's say so, and that only in
the thrown was Pharaoh greater than Joseph.
If God gave up his thrown than yes he would have relinquished
his power to man. Being given dominion over the creation of God
presupposes that man was given a blessing by another, and the
bible says "and without contradiction the less is blessed of the
better".
The better still sits upon his thrown and in the fullness of
time all authority will be given back to God, "for we don't see
all things under mans feet but we do see Jesus".
The Joseph company are reigning for now but it is all in the
plan of he who inhabits the thrown.
Blessings James [/font]
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Re: A bit of a contridiction
By: Ivor Date: August 25, 2020, 12:44 pm
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[quote author=Pia link=topic=994.msg15173#msg15173
date=1598352568]
Hello Ivor.......I feel lead to ask you to read the first
chapter of Genesis, as in it, you will find EXACTLY, how God
relinquished full control, when He empowered the earth and
mankind, and then gave Dominion to us.....For the reasons,
brought to fullness in Christ ( from our perspective.....'will
be'...from His " It is done !'
The Lord bless you...
[/quote]
No he did not, this passage in Genesis is best understood to
mean a right was passed from the Godhead to Adam. What was given
to Adam was a position of dominion and it was an endowment, an
appointment; something bestowed, a position that was granted. It
was not an order that was given.
We see the same usage as this for ‛âśâh in 1 Kings
12:31 (English Standard Version translation): “He also made
temples on high places and appointed [‛âśâh] priests
from among all the people, who were not of the Levites.”
This understanding of ‛âśâh, in this context, being a
position of appointment enjoys the collective agreement by the
biblical scholars who worked on important biblical translations
in history.
The modern view of the Dominion Mandate falls over and sets
alarm bells ringing when its used to justify it as acceptable to
clone animals and do agonising experiments on them when in
reality its obviously not.
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Re: A bit of a contridiction
By: Pia Date: August 27, 2020, 1:16 am
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[quote author=James link=topic=994.msg15179#msg15179
date=1598374528]
[font=times new roman]Pia sounds to me as if you are comparing
experiential truth and positional truth.
I am reminded Pia that in the days of Joseph (dare I use the
bible) Pharaoh told Joseph that no man in the land would be able
to lift up his foot without Joseph's say so, and that only in
the thrown was Pharaoh greater than Joseph.
If God gave up his thrown than yes he would have relinquished
his power to man. Being given dominion over the creation of God
presupposes that man was given a blessing by another, and the
bible says "and without contradiction the less is blessed of the
better".
The better still sits upon his thrown and in the fullness of
time all authority will be given back to God, "for we don't see
all things under mans feet but we do see Jesus".
The Joseph company are reigning for now but it is all in the
plan of he who inhabits the thrown.
Blessings James [/font]
[/quote]Absolutely, I do agree with this........I have only
recently fully realized, the why of it, as quite obviously ( to
me NOW, not before ), God could not have allowed, for this
'play' of Mankind, to have taken place in Heaven, as it would
have then brought darkness, sin and death into Heaven
itself.......Hence The Earth, and His 'ally'....time......
He is simply so way over the top, brilliant !....When He shows
us His magnificence at various times, it is always completely
jaw dropping to me, and makes me want to do cartwheels around
the whole house hahahaha.
Amazingly, of course, we realize that in a way, He didn't fully
relinquish control, because all things here are subject to an
enormous amount of ' physical and scientific laws ', and humans
are really very very limited in a lot of ways...Most of all,
again......time.......
WE also see it written in the book of Revelation, that some
point God does take full charge, in order to shorten the days.
But of course.......satan is no longer the god of this world and
in that meantime, Jesus became the Lord of all that is above,
and all that is on the earth and all that is below the
earth.......and I guess He chooses to give the authority back to
our Father ( as also written in Revelation, I think ? ), who can
then obviously act freely...at that moment, free from the
restraint of man's will. .....We shall have to wait and see the
things unfold, as indeed we have been, during our lifetime.
The Lord be blessed, always......
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Re: A bit of a contridiction
By: Pia Date: August 27, 2020, 1:24 am
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[quote author=Ivor link=topic=994.msg15181#msg15181
date=1598377458]
No he did not, this passage in Genesis is best understood to
mean a right was passed from the Godhead to Adam. What was given
to Adam was a position of dominion and it was an endowment, an
appointment; something bestowed, a position that was granted. It
was not an order that was given.
We see the same usage as this for ‛âśâh in 1 Kings
12:31 (English Standard Version translation): “He also made
temples on high places and appointed [‛âśâh] priests
from among all the people, who were not of the Levites.”
This understanding of ‛âśâh, in this context, being a
position of appointment enjoys the collective agreement by the
biblical scholars who worked on important biblical translations
in history.
The modern view of the Dominion Mandate falls over and sets
alarm bells ringing when its used to justify it as acceptable to
clone animals and do agonising experiments on them when in
reality its obviously not.
[/quote]Hello Ivor......I have realized that the walk you have
with the Lord and the walk everyone else has with the Lord, do
not always cover the same roads at the same time, and we all
seem to have different paths, and different understandings or
revelations.....I do believe however, that because you DO
believe in Jesus, He and only He will get you there, and get me
there, and get everyone else there....in the end.
So wishes for you to have a great and abundant life in Him and
in His Love.
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Re: A bit of a contridiction
By: Pia Date: August 27, 2020, 1:32 am
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[quote author=James link=topic=994.msg15179#msg15179
date=1598374528]
[font=times new roman]Pia sounds to me as if you are comparing
experiential truth and positional truth.
I am reminded Pia that in the days of Joseph (dare I use the
bible) Pharaoh told Joseph that no man in the land would be able
to lift up his foot without Joseph's say so, and that only in
the thrown was Pharaoh greater than Joseph.
If God gave up his thrown than yes he would have relinquished
his power to man. Being given dominion over the creation of God
presupposes that man was given a blessing by another, and the
bible says "and without contradiction the less is blessed of the
better".
The better still sits upon his thrown and in the fullness of
time all authority will be given back to God, "for we don't see
all things under mans feet but we do see Jesus".
The Joseph company are reigning for now but it is all in the
plan of he who inhabits the thrown.
Blessings James [/font]
[/quote]Hello james...oh no no no, hahahaha, I wasn't suggesting
God gave up His Throne in Heaven...what I'm saying is, He never
established one for Himself here on earth, at the
beginning.......He did however give man the 'temporary leasing'
rights to this earth, which man then gave over to the enemy of
mankind, the devil and his hordes, making satan the god of this
world....remember, when Jesus is tempted in the desert, when
satan asks Him, to bow down and recognize that authority just
once, in oder for Him to be given the earth by satan
?...hahahaha, what a cheek, really !!!
I hope that clears it a bit...I really am not the best at
expressing myself...Could be because English is my 2nd.
language....My first 16 years on earth, were in Denmark, in
Copenhagen....so yeah...very vey different language, I must say
lol.
Have a blessed day.......Pia
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