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Renewing of our minds
By: Pia Date: July 29, 2020, 11:34 pm
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Mark wrote a great comment in one of his replies to another
post, and that was, that he had found the renewing of his mind
to be a slow going process, and at times felt like a leap into
space lol.
I wanted to invite others also, to let us know how you have been
finding this process of the renewing of your mind, in your walk
with Him..?
I have certainly also found it to be a process....I mean, we are
literally being 'grown anew ' from a different Seed, which first
has to take deep roots and then to grow, little by little all
the time......We could compare it to a Mustard seed ?.....it
takes some days before it establishes roots and then become
grown at a few years old......But somehow, I do not believe the
Mustard seed is an appropriate substitute, in this case at
least......
It is however an accurate analogy.........
When we accept the offer from Jesus to believe in Him, in order
to become saved and made brand new, from the Words that He
Himself spoke..........That Word, once received through
believing, becomes a seed, now planted inside our, until then
'dead to God ', spirit.......The Holy Spirit comes and seals us,
until the day of Redemption.
This same process Mary went through, when an angel brought to
her Word from God, about her being favored by God to carry His
Child.......When she accepted that Word, and said :" Let it be
unto me, as you have spoken ", the Seed of the Word entered into
her, and then the Holy Spirit came upon her and must have
likewise, 'ignited' the
Seed to begin to grow and prosper and sealing the Word within
her, until this Holy child was delivered.
In Mary's case, The Word resulted in a physical child being born
into human form.
In our case The Word comes in and combines with our spirit and
the Holy Spirit, which results in a spiritual child of God being
'made' within us, which will one day become fully
delivered......The Bible declaring that the entire creation
groans in anticipation of the revealing of the Sons of God....
In the physical case the child came about one cell division at a
time.... in some things a rather lengthy process indeed.....Look
at how long it takes for human wisdom teeth to be revealed
hahaha.............In this new Creation, created in and by
spirit, not flesh, it obviously can't happen quite as easily or
as automatically as that , because in this Creation we get to
choose............He will surely watch over all of His children,
but some will grow more than others, because they choose to,
because they push in, ask, and seek high and low, for more and
more of Him....The things He has spoken still has to be believed
before becoming manifest, it doesn't just all fall on us, once
we have said "yes" to believing in Him as our
Savior...........Christians can be saved, but not grow much
beyond that, but it's okay, He still loves them and He won't
turn His back on them, but they miss out quite a bit while still
here, in the privilege of getting to know Him
What we do need to do, is what Paul suggest we do, when he says
:" Add to your faith, patience. "......I used to read that and
feel I couldn't do that, it was too hard....whatever....any
excuse, as patience was never my strong suit.......No worries,
He will make sure we do learn patience hahahaha.
So why don't we all take another suggestion of His and receive
his very own peace and then enter into it.
I mean, we are told that we are HIS workmanship and that it is
He who has begun a good work in us, and He is the one who will
finish it, so perhaps we could stop trying to get in His way so
much, by trying to do certain things ourselves.
I am certain, that if some of you respond to this, there will be
some interesting things to read, how different people have dealt
with or are dealing with this issue, of becoming a whole new and
different being......having to accept first becoming a baby
again, and then to slowly learn how to speak and all that
follows, all over again.........Sometimes our growth seeming
frustratingly slow lol.
I look forward to this, I must say......
Blessings, In Him............Pia
#Post#: 15022--------------------------------------------------
Re: Renewing of our minds
By: Amadeus Date: July 30, 2020, 6:54 pm
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[quote author=Pia link=topic=987.msg15017#msg15017
date=1596083652]
Mark wrote a great comment in one of his replies to another
post, and that was, that he had found the renewing of his mind
to be a slow going process, and at times felt like a leap into
space lol.[/quote]
As I am reading my Bible in morning sometimes an unrelated idea
will come to me... that is unrelated as far as I can from the
verses I am actually reading. God puts in those little bits of
information or insight or flashes or whatever you might want to
call them. I seldom write them down, but they are there for
another time when they fit into a real situation for me or for
someone I am talking to... these days mostly on a forum, since I
don't many people anywhere else with the lockdown in place.
Or rather than reading I am simply talking to God or praying in
tongues as I do and He will do something similar unrelated to
any idea at the forefront of my mind.
Or in either case, He will actually insert something about what
I am reading or thinking. People will ask when I mention such
things, was it an audible voice? No, not like what men would
describe that way. But... sometimes it will fill in a part of
the puzzle of His Word that did not know existed before. People
who insist that His Word is only found in the Bible may not
relate very well to this, but I see that as their limitation on
God. God is unlimited in Himself as I understand it, but we,
everyone of us, limit Him. I don't exclude myself from this.
[quote]
I wanted to invite others also, to let us know how you have been
finding this process of the renewing of your mind, in your walk
with Him..?
I have certainly also found it to be a process....I mean, we are
literally being 'grown anew ' from a different Seed, which first
has to take deep roots and then to grow, little by little all
the time......We could compare it to a Mustard seed ?.....it
takes some days before it establishes roots and then become
grown at a few years old......But somehow, I do not believe the
Mustard seed is an appropriate substitute, in this case at
least......
It is however an accurate analogy.........
When we accept the offer from Jesus to believe in Him, in order
to become saved and made brand new, from the Words that He
Himself spoke..........That Word, once received through
believing, becomes a seed, now planted inside our, until then
'dead to God ', spirit......[/quote]
That seed, mustard seed perhaps, is, or is like, one of those
flashes I mentioned. Except that there is really only one vision
of God whole plan, which we call the Word of God. It is
certainly much more than a Book, although the Book is certainly
included or involved.
Instead of a single seed, it may be a puzzle piece which when
put together with other available pieces may give a picture of
one corner of it all. Eventually it will be possible...if we
don't hinder God... to join that corner with the center and
other corners and the boundaries of the whole picture. How much
does a person see of the whole thing? With Paul as through a
glass darkly or with the blind man on the first touch men as
trees walking.
Some mornings I only just get hold enough for Him to keep me
[or at least it appears so then] and then during the day a spot
here or a momentary flash there will add depth or color and
details to the interior of one part. Where is the "face to
face" vision? I can say it is much clearer now than when I first
began. To advise someone else on this, I suggest simply to keep
on pressing in and don't let up because you don't at the moment
'see' any progress or improvement. You and I are not the
planners of this picture. Quite a bit more complicated than a
jigsaw puzzle, but that may help us to understand what it is all
about... We cannot climb up by ourselves.
[quote].The Holy Spirit comes and seals us, until the day of
Redemption.
This same process Mary went through, when an angel brought to
her Word from God, about her being favored by God to carry His
Child.......When she accepted that Word, and said :" Let it be
unto me, as you have spoken ", the Seed of the Word entered into
her, and then the Holy Spirit came upon her and must have
likewise, 'ignited' the
Seed to begin to grow and prosper and sealing the Word within
her, until this Holy child was delivered.
In Mary's case, The Word resulted in a physical child being born
into human form.
In our case The Word comes in and combines with our spirit and
the Holy Spirit, which results in a spiritual child of God being
'made' within us, which will one day become fully
delivered......The Bible declaring that the entire creation
groans in anticipation of the revealing of the Sons of
God....[/quote]
The "sons" are part of that creation, perhaps the centerpiece of
it, but I am careful about presuming too much on that point. God
will show us as much as we allow Him to show us.
[quote]
In the physical case the child came about one cell division at a
time.... in some things a rather lengthy process indeed.....Look
at how long it takes for human wisdom teeth to be revealed
hahaha.............In this new Creation, created in and by
spirit, not flesh, it obviously can't happen quite as easily or
as automatically as that , because in this Creation we get to
choose............He will surely watch over all of His children,
but some will grow more than others, because they choose to,
because they push in, ask, and seek high and low, for more and
more of Him....The things He has spoken still has to be believed
before becoming manifest, it doesn't just all fall on us, once
we have said "yes" to believing in Him as our
Savior...........Christians can be saved, but not grow much
beyond that, but it's okay, He still loves them and He won't
turn His back on them, but they miss out quite a bit while still
here, in the privilege of getting to know Him
What we do need to do, is what Paul suggest we do, when he says
:" Add to your faith, patience. "......I used to read that and
feel I couldn't do that, it was too hard....whatever....any
excuse, as patience was never my strong suit.......No worries,
He will make sure we do learn patience hahahaha.
So why don't we all take another suggestion of His and receive
his very own peace and then enter into it.
I mean, we are told that we are HIS workmanship and that it is
He who has begun a good work in us, and He is the one who will
finish it, so perhaps we could stop trying to get in His way so
much, by trying to do certain things ourselves.
I am certain, that if some of you respond to this, there will be
some interesting things to read, how different people have dealt
with or are dealing with this issue, of becoming a whole new and
different being......having to accept first becoming a baby
again, and then to slowly learn how to speak and all that
follows, all over again.........Sometimes our growth seeming
frustratingly slow lol.
I look forward to this, I must say......
Blessings, In Him............Pia
[/quote]
Some come in the door to God babbling like babies, which is OK
as the start for babies we certainly are. Growing is the thing.
Some start as babies continue that way never learning to talk to
God as He talks to them. They continue to babble in baby talk
never learning a language to really communicate with God. This
is a lesson to learned from the tongues Paul speaks about...
Detractors and naysayers will call what they hear babble for
some have sat in the pews for decades and have never grown
beyond infancy...
#Post#: 15024--------------------------------------------------
Re: Renewing of our minds
By: Pia Date: July 30, 2020, 9:49 pm
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=987.msg15022#msg15022
date=1596153264]
As I am reading my Bible in morning sometimes an unrelated idea
will come to me... that is unrelated as far as I can from the
verses I am actually reading. God puts in those little bits of
information or insight or flashes or whatever you might want to
call them. I seldom write them down, but they are there for
another time when they fit into a real situation for me or for
someone I am talking to... these days mostly on a forum, since I
don't many people anywhere else with the lockdown in place.
Or rather than reading I am simply talking to God or praying in
tongues as I do and He will do something similar unrelated to
any idea at the forefront of my mind.
Or in either case, He will actually insert something about what
I am reading or thinking. People will ask when I mention such
things, was it an audible voice? No, not like what men would
describe that way. But... sometimes it will fill in a part of
the puzzle of His Word that did not know existed before. People
who insist that His Word is only found in the Bible may not
relate very well to this, but I see that as their limitation on
God. God is unlimited in Himself as I understand it, but we,
everyone of us, limit Him. I don't exclude myself from this.
That seed, mustard seed perhaps, is, or is like, one of those
flashes I mentioned. Except that there is really only one vision
of God whole plan, which we call the Word of God. It is
certainly much more than a Book, although the Book is certainly
included or involved.
Instead of a single seed, it may be a puzzle piece which when
put together with other available pieces may give a picture of
one corner of it all. Eventually it will be possible...if we
don't hinder God... to join that corner with the center and
other corners and the boundaries of the whole picture. How much
does a person see of the whole thing? With Paul as through a
glass darkly or with the blind man on the first touch men as
trees walking.
Some mornings I only just get hold enough for Him to keep me
[or at least it appears so then] and then during the day a spot
here or a momentary flash there will add depth or color and
details to the interior of one part. Where is the "face to
face" vision? I can say it is much clearer now than when I first
began. To advise someone else on this, I suggest simply to keep
on pressing in and don't let up because you don't at the moment
'see' any progress or improvement. You and I are not the
planners of this picture. Quite a bit more complicated than a
jigsaw puzzle, but that may help us to understand what it is all
about... We cannot climb up by ourselves.
The "sons" are part of that creation, perhaps the centerpiece of
it, but I am careful about presuming too much on that point. God
will show us as much as we allow Him to show us.Some come in the
door to God babbling like babies, which is OK as the start for
babies we certainly are. Growing is the thing. Some start as
babies continue that way never learning to talk to God as He
talks to them. They continue to babble in baby talk never
learning a language to really communicate with God. This is a
lesson to learned from the tongues Paul speaks about...
Detractors and naysayers will call what they hear babble for
some have sat in the pews for decades and have never grown
beyond infancy...
[/quote]Hello John.........Oh gosh I wish I had been able to
figure out how to do, what you do........I shall sadly have to
make this response just a quick one as my Grandson is on his way
to help me with a few things.....
Yes, He comes in , in varied ways....I too notice
that........But he does have a voice as well, which somehow we
can hear internally as well as externally..........but it is
different for everyone.
As a very young believer ( once I had received the Holy Spirit
), I prayed for a few people to have a 'visitation ' of their
own..........Two people told me about it, one actually asking me
straight out, if I had prayed for him to receive that......which
I had to then admit.............but there was another, and the
Lord then slowed me, that not everyone are in a place, to
receive such a thing....for one thing, He said, some would get
frightened, and He is not in the business of scaring people
lol....Others, simply don't need Him to do so, to believe......
I have learned a few more things since then ( early 1990's )
hahahaha, and how many different ways He is able to have a Life
with people, according to what they themselves are able to
receive.
I so admire those who have been able to hold on in full faith,
without having seen Him or any perhaps, tangible evidence of
Him.........I do believe that even God says, they are the more
blessed, which makes total sense to me.......but, I also know
myself well enough, to know, that no way in the world could I
have EVER held on, throughout those decades of suffering and all
the 'crap' I had to take from Christians, whether they meant
well or not...........
I will be forever grateful to Jesus, that He got me started, at
least, in the right direction.......the only thing which gave me
the courage to stand against other Christians and even some
pastors.
Once I got hold of a Bible, He also began showing me things
through that, but I got the study bug so bad, as the Pastor had
shown me, that is a way we can receive 'approval ' from
God......I ended up spending a lot less time with Him and more
with my nose in one book or another, Bible at the
center.......Till eventually, that all came totally crashing
down around me, from exhaustion, lack of food and such........I
mean, I went ALL out !!!!!!
Just to find out later, that verse is poorly translated, and
simply DOES NOT mean the kind of study, that we have ascribed to
it..........Dangerous thing to do actually, if a person doesn't
take it real slow, and have Him in on the 'sessions', so He can
do exactly what you described in your post....that lovely
insertion He does......I put those down to 'the small still
voice of the Holy Spirit '......but, that's me........I have
seen enough to know that Jesus is capable to Love on any level,
regardless of what we do back to Him or not.
I only know that you write truth, because I have received it in
the past from Him.....but it sure did amaze me, that you had
been able to get this far into truth, by the Bible
only........thank you for this post, as that confirms for me,
that you most certainly have received revelation, to the point,
that you are aware of it......which I believe is a very
important thing for a Christian to become aware of........the
LIVING word, the Living Christ.
I too hate crowds john hahaha, and as things are at the moment,
better off cosy at home :D.
It's so odd, as David had told me a little about 'joseph77' and
how he had said things like that about David.......my only
response was :" why is he still on the forum ?"..."He should be
asked to leave".........So lol, can't pretend I am not glad to
hear, that he is no longer there....I don't go on that forum,
but I hate seeing someone get hurt that way....mind you, David
takes it all in his stride haha, he is a very stable and steady
person....I am the one who gets a bit hot under the collar
hahaha.
Apparently someone thought I was his wife for some
reason.......But we are approx. 4000 Km or Miles ( can't recall
) apart, right on the opposite sides of the continent of
Australia, and have only seen one another, when David has come a
couple of times, to visit all his family , over here in the
West........I am mostly lucky enough to have a quick cuppa or a
lunch with David and his Dad, who is also a Christian, as in,
perhaps 6 times, over the past 19 years that I have known Davids
Dad, who I met first.....
I must run now.........great post John.......thank you so much.
Bless you and yours................Pia
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