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#Post#: 1242--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mike's Personal Stuff.
By: Mike Date: October 1, 2014, 11:33 am
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[quote author=James link=topic=86.msg1235#msg1235
date=1412176568]
Give money back, that's no way to do business, at lest hang onto
a 10% as a restocking fee. :D
[/quote]
But the Lord honoured my action by bringing me another cash
purchaser same day.
I've found throughout my life that 'Karma' works in exactly that
way.
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Re: Mike's Personal Stuff.
By: James Date: October 1, 2014, 1:19 pm
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I know what you mean Mike. You must feel much Karma now that
you are getting a good nights sleep and all the units are put
together. ;)
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Re: Mike's Personal Stuff.
By: Mike Date: October 1, 2014, 4:25 pm
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[quote author=James link=topic=86.msg1246#msg1246
date=1412187580]
I know what you mean Mike. You must feel much 'Karma' now that
you are getting a good nights sleep and all the units are put
together. ;)
[/quote]
Chuckle James ..... you certainly know how to slip 'em in.
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Re: Mike's Personal Stuff.
By: Mike Date: October 7, 2014, 1:32 am
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WHY AM I SO 'OUT OF STEP'?
I've copied this from a reply to Patsy in FSCF.
I'm sorry to those who it might offend but I just have to trust
that you will try to understand 'why I'm so out of step'
You ought to know me by now Patsy.
I look around me at what I see of Christendom and conclude that
there just has to be something fundamentally amiss.
Those in a denomination don't share my concern because they are
happy in their denomination.
But I look and ponder and find areas in which things might have
gone wrong.
Of course I also may be wrong but I cling to them if they seem
to be areas that might well point to the reason for the
unsatisfactory mess that I perceive.
And here's my list:-
1. Constantine's (and his successors) intervention to bring
Christianity into definition for the purpose of minimising
possible insurgence by something as diverse as early
Christianity had become.
2. Catholicism's emergence and it's idolatrous mode of worship
and idolatrous presentation of the 'Bible'.
3. The Reformers invention of Sola Scriptura as a counter to
Catholicism's charge that they had no 'authority'.
4. Mr Everyman's embrace of the 'Bible' as an opportunity for
them to suddenly become amateur experts in its interpretation
and entitling them to start denominations based upon their
interpretations.
5. The re-introduction by certain denominations of the
'tongues' phenomena 1800 or more years after it had served its
purpose and ceased.
6. The contradictory nature of the Reformation's 'born again'
emphasis when the evidence points to no significant change for
the good in the case of those claiming to have been 'born
again'.
Of course, I hear the protests from yourself and others who
disagree, but whilst my overview that something is drastically
amiss pertains I'm unlikely to change my mind about there having
to be reasons.
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Re: Mike's Personal Stuff.
By: Ivor Date: October 7, 2014, 2:48 am
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Since Christ gave his life anyone can have a relationship with
God, organised religion is not required, has it ever been?
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Re: Mike's Personal Stuff.
By: James Date: October 7, 2014, 2:57 am
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I do not believe I have ever said "Mike you are wrong" but I
think you are.
Not in the "Oh, you are wrong" way but in your conclusion.
I agree things as the old song said' Ain't what they ought to
be' but you definition as to why they are as they are is a
conclusion that says to me. (1) I mike know things are wrong.
(2) I know who and why things are wrong. Therefore the
conclusion to this is (3) If people would listen to me we could
put it right. 8)
On my part I favour (1) Things 'look' wrong. (2) God is still
on his throne, are things really wrong?
(3) If I continue to trust his leading my perception will change
as he completes his plan!
I know man has got it wrong for years, I am a man therefore
believe I am disqualified from ever thinking I know how to put
things right.
Interesting post Mike. :)
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Re: Mike's Personal Stuff.
By: Pat Date: October 7, 2014, 7:04 am
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[quote author=Ivor link=topic=86.msg1434#msg1434
date=1412668121]
Since Christ gave his life anyone can have a relationship with
God, organised religion is not required, has it ever been?
[/quote]
I completely agree Ivor. Good church is good but no church is
probably better than bad church.
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Re: Mike's Personal Stuff.
By: Mike Date: October 7, 2014, 9:19 am
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James,
If I didn't say so then I should....It's a purely personal thing
with me, and maybe would never happen other than to someone like
me whose faith had been shattered by their foundational church
collapsing around their ears in contradiction of all that they
had taught me.
It was after I had then tried other churches that I concluded
something was significantly amiss in the big 'Christian' world
outside of my foundational church.
No way can I be certain of what had gone wrong or when.
All I have is my conviction that it is some thing/things, and my
list is of the only straws that I can clutch at.
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Re: Mike's Personal Stuff.
By: Ivor Date: October 7, 2014, 9:25 am
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If the closest relationships of a disciple’s life conflict with
the claims of Jesus Christ, then our Lord requires instant
obedience to Himself. Discipleship means personal, passionate
devotion to a Person—our Lord Jesus Christ.
There is a vast difference between devotion to a person and
devotion to principles or to a cause. Our Lord never proclaimed
a cause —He proclaimed personal devotion to Himself. To be a
disciple is to be a devoted bondservant motivated by love for
the Lord Jesus. Many of us who call ourselves Christians are not
truly devoted to Jesus Christ.
No one on earth has this passionate love for the Lord Jesus
unless the Holy Spirit has given it to him. We may admire,
respect, and revere Him, but we cannot love Him on our own. The
only One who truly loves the Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit, and
it is He who has “poured out in our hearts” the very “love of
God” (Romans 5:5 ). Whenever the Holy Spirit sees an opportunity
to glorify Jesus through you, He will take your entire being and
set you ablaze with glowing devotion to Jesus Christ.
The Christian life is a life characterized by true and
spontaneous creativity. Consequently, a disciple is subject to
the same charge that was leveled against Jesus Christ, namely,
the charge of inconsistency. But Jesus Christ was always
consistent in His relationship to God, and a Christian must be
consistent in his relationship to the life of the Son of God in
him, not consistent to strict, unyielding doctrines. People pour
themselves into their own doctrines, and God has to blast them
out of their preconceived ideas before they can become devoted
to Jesus Christ.
words of Oswald Chambers
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Re: Mike's Personal Stuff.
By: Helen Date: October 7, 2014, 9:53 am
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For the most part Mike you are 'preaching to the converted'...we
all agree things are not good in Christendom and have not been
so for many a century.
Our friend Paul probably knew this well all the way 'back
then'...1 Cor 11:19 " For there must be also heresies among you,
that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
Is this not "seperating the wheat from the tares" ?
The ones that are 'at risk' are the ones who are complacent and
quite happy 'where they are'...From where I look at it...We are
suposed to be " out of step" I would worry more if you were 'in
step'!! Those 'in step' have submitted to the organised church
and the rule of man , over the rule of the Spirit in their
lives.
I know it is a strange and 'lost' feeling...been there done
that...one feels like "In the body or our of the body I know
not." And often it can be a lonely place.
Like David..we are being pursued by "Saul" by the enemy who
would kill and take the crown and anointed inheritance.
1 Sam 22 David departed from there and escaped to the cave of
Adullam. And when his brothers and all his father's house heard
it, they went down there to him. 2 And everyone who was in
*distress, and everyone who was in *debt, and everyone who was
*bitter in soul,[a] gathered to him. And he became commander
over them. And there were with him about four hundred men.
What a motly lot David has as an army...and what a motly lot we
are..and I agree with your post...look around and one wonders if
any one is really born again...including ourselves...but Mike we
must each not look at how we are , but at how HE is!
Phill 1
Being confident of this very thing, that HE who has begun a good
work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Mike, that is our hope and it must be our anchor. The "new
birth"/seed ..work was started IN US...it is within, hidden, and
HIS work....we have His promise. The seed of the new birth is
growing in the dark....just a Jesus grew within Mary in the
dark...the new life is God's seed in us...I think for a moment
you have lost sight of that. We aren't going to see the kingdom
coming by looking and measuring each other..."For we dare not
make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some
that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by
themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not
wise.
As we continue to " Behold the Lamb of God." we will be changed
into His likeness.
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