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#Post#: 11906--------------------------------------------------
Knowing God
DIR By: Ivor
Date: March 3, 2020, 3:47 am
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Saw this elsewhere and thought it was funny and ironic
"Christians who think they know God are a great annoyance to us
who do!".... the religious
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Re: Knowing God
DIR By: guest36
Date: March 3, 2020, 7:15 am
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--- Quote from: Ivor link ---
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> Saw this elsewhere and thought it was funny and ironic
>
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> "Christians who think they know God are a great annoyance to
us who do!".... the religious
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Ivor, thanks for that.It would make a good 'everybody join in'
thread if you reworded it something like 'Words of Wisdom'.
I remember three that I've picked up during my forum travels.
From Helen (not sure of the source)....."Convert a man against
his will, and he remains an unbeliever still".
From St Francis of Assises......"Preach the Gospel by all means,
but only use words as a last resort".
From Philosophollis....."the intent of a man's heart is better
discerned by an unbiased onlooker than by the biased discernment
of the man himself".
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Re: Knowing God
DIR By: Episkopay
Date: March 3, 2020, 7:46 am
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I find it rather typical that a thread with the title of
"knowing God' would be based on the assumption that no one can
actually know God. Sign of the times.
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Re: Knowing God
DIR By: Helen
Date: March 3, 2020, 2:34 pm
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--- Quote from: Mike Waters link ---
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> From Helen (not sure of the source)....."Convert a man against
his will, and he remains an unbeliever still".
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Yes Mike, and so true.
The actual phrase ( and my dad used to quote it) is:-
A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still"
A search says :-
The phrase as it is written here appears in the section, "You
Can't Win an Argument," in Dale Carnegie's popular book, "How to
Win Friends and Influence People." But it went on to say that
the same phrase with a few different words....goes well far back
in time...
[emoji4]
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Re: Knowing God
DIR By: Helen
Date: March 3, 2020, 2:43 pm
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--- Quote from: Episkopay link ---
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> I find it rather typical that a thread with the title of
"knowing God' would be based on the assumption that no one can
actually know God. Sign of the times.
>
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Good point!
But can we? We know our dad when we are young , as a child and
adult..so we can only talk at a child's level of
conversation....
..and then all those years between ..
My dad died at 90, I was 56...our conversation and 'knowing' of
each other was obviously much deeper. But did really know "all
about" my dad?
No, there was probably much he chose not to tell me about his
life.
I believe that we are coming into the full knowledge of God.
We have seen Him, Jesus said "if you have seen me, you have seen
the Father."
Paul at the later end of his life still said " That I may know
Him....."
AS much as he knew Jesus Christ, he knew that he had yet a long
way to go.
Yes?
blessings ...H
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Re: Knowing God
DIR By: Willie T
Date: March 3, 2020, 3:17 pm
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--- Quote from: Helen link ---
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> Yes Mike, and so true.
> The actual phrase ( and my dad used to quote it) is:-
>
> A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion
still"
>
> A search says :-
> The phrase as it is written here appears in the section, "You
Can't Win an Argument," in Dale Carnegie's popular book, "How to
Win Friends and Influence People." But it went on to say that
the same phrase with a few different words....goes well far back
in time...
> [emoji4]
>
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I found this interesting, so I went looking, and located this:
(It seems you are quite correct about its age, Helen.)
The origin of this old adage appears to go back a long time. So
long, in fact, that no one is really sure where it originally
came from. It also appears in many different forms in many
different places.
Mary Wollstonecraft (1759-1797), the famous British writer and
feminist (and mother to the author of Frankenstein), included
the quotation "Convince a man against his will, He's of the same
opinion still." in the notes to Chapter 5 of her 1792 treatise,
A Vindication of the Rights of Woman. This adage is placed in
quotes, denoting that it wasn't original text, but without
reference to the source. So either she didn't know the origin of
this saying or she assumed that it was so popularly known that
citing the source was unnecessary.
She might, however, have misquoted two lines from Samuel
Butler's (1612-1680) ginormous 17th-century poem Hudibras. Part
III, Canto iii, lines 547-550 read thus:
He that complies against his will
Is of his own opinion still
Which he may adhere to, yet disown,
For reasons to himself best known
Butler might have penned an original thought here, or he might
have been borrowing what was already an old saying even in his
time. We'll probably never know.
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Re: Knowing God
DIR By: Helen
Date: March 3, 2020, 3:22 pm
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Excellent find Willie.
That was an interesting read.
One of those catch-phrases that never ages and will never die.
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Thanks... Helen .
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Re: Knowing God
DIR By: Ivor
Date: March 3, 2020, 4:39 pm
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--- Quote from: Episkopay link ---
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> I find it rather typical that a thread with the title of
"knowing God' would be based on the assumption that no one can
actually know God. Sign of the times.
>
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the clue to the title is in the quote
"Christians who think they know God are a great annoyance to us
who do!".... the religious
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Re: Knowing God
DIR By: Episkopay
Date: March 3, 2020, 5:26 pm
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--- Quote from: Ivor link ---
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> the clue to the title is in the quote
>
> "Christians who think they know God are a great annoyance to
us who do!".... the religious
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In the end the judgment won't be so much on they who don't know
God, but rather they who say they know Him but don't. That is
if the words of Jesus have any bearing on this.
And they who falsely claim to know Him are indeed in the way of
the testimony of they who do.
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Re: Knowing God
DIR By: Ivor
Date: March 4, 2020, 2:50 am
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Who did Jesus call hypocrites?.... whoever it was, don't be in
any way anything like that group of people....
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