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       If Only We Had Listened...
   DIR By: Helen
       Date: February 16, 2015, 6:58 pm
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       Words of Wisdom from Sir Wilfred Laurier in 1907
       I think that this is the best article on the subject that I have
       read . . . . . . it was written over a century ago . . . .
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       What Wilfred Laurier thought of the immigrants wanting to become
       Canadians in 1907.
       «First of all we must insist that the immigrant that comes here
       is willing to become a Canadian and is willing to assimilate our
       ways, he should be treated on equal grounds and it would be
       shameful to discriminate against such a person for reasons of
       their beliefs or the place of birth or origin.   But it is the
       responsibility of that person to become a Canadian in all
       aspects of life, nothing else but a Canadian.
       There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says that
       he is a Canadian, but tries to impose his customs and habits
       upon us, is not a Canadian.
       We have room for only one flag, the Canadian flag.
       There is room for only two languages here, English and French.
       And we have room for loyalty, but only one, loyalty to the
       Canadian people.
       We won't accept anyone, I'm saying anyone, who will try to
       impose his religion or his customs on us.»
       Wilfred Laurier, 1907
       Pity no one listened.
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       Re: If Only We Had Listened...
   DIR By: PATRICJ
       Date: February 16, 2015, 8:49 pm
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       --- Quote from: Helen link ---
       >
       > Words of Wisdom from Sir Wilfred Laurier in 1907
       >
       >
       > I think that this is the best article on the subject that I
       have read . . . . . . it was written over a century ago . . . .
       > -------------------------------
       > What Wilfred Laurier thought of the immigrants wanting to
       become Canadians in 1907.
       >
       > «First of all we must insist that the immigrant that comes
       here is willing to become a Canadian and is willing to
       assimilate our ways, he should be treated on equal grounds and
       it would be shameful to discriminate against such a person for
       reasons of their beliefs or the place of birth or origin.   But
       it is the responsibility of that person to become a Canadian in
       all aspects of life, nothing else but a Canadian.
       > There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says that
       he is a Canadian, but tries to impose his customs and habits
       upon us, is not a Canadian.
       > We have room for only one flag, the Canadian flag.
       > There is room for only two languages here, English and French.
       > And we have room for loyalty, but only one, loyalty to the
       Canadian people.
       > We won't accept anyone, I'm saying anyone, who will try to
       impose his religion or his customs on us.»
       >
       > Wilfred Laurier, 1907
       > Pity no one listened.
       >
       >
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       ABSOLUTELY;
       no body is saying you need to change a thing ; but neither are
       you required to come
       you come to live among ;
       not to colonize the land
       #Post#: 3604--------------------------------------------------
       Re: If Only We Had Listened...
   DIR By: Rita
       Date: February 17, 2015, 12:28 am
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       Hmmmm- not sure I agree totally.
       Have you ever looked further back in history and discovered what
       we endeavoured to do when british citizens chose to send people
       to different lands- we imposed our cultures/ ways and religions.
       I am not saying that I believe immigrants should dictate - but I
       do think we need to remember how things began - its seems that
       its okay when we did it !
       Just a thought ! LOL
       Rita
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       Re: If Only We Had Listened...
   DIR By: PATRICJ
       Date: February 17, 2015, 12:46 am
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       --- Quote from: Rita link ---
       >
       > Hmmmm- not sure I agree totally.
       > Have you ever looked further back in history and discovered
       what we endeavoured to do when british citizens chose to send
       people to different lands- we imposed our cultures/ ways and
       religions.
       > I am not saying that I believe immigrants should dictate - but
       I do think we need to remember how things began - its seems that
       its okay when we did it !
       >
       > Just a thought ! LOL
       >
       > Rita
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       wow; this is one of the few posts that ever made me "stop" right
       at this point
       you are right ; we did that
       not only did we do that ; but i see where it was spoken of in
       God's plan ( joseph's coat of many colors)
       and yet; i now see the other side as well
       eye opening ; an ah- ha moment
       me <-------- speechless
       * at least
       for now
       #Post#: 3607--------------------------------------------------
       Re: If Only We Had Listened...
   DIR By: Rita
       Date: February 17, 2015, 4:50 am
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       LOL Patrick- its not often I have that effect on people !
       Rita x
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       Re: If Only We Had Listened...
   DIR By: James
       Date: February 17, 2015, 8:41 am
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       On the contrary Rita I would say from the measure of your post
       you do agree.
       You express what was done by the British and it sounds as if you
       are not in agreement of our ways being imposed on (for arguments
       sake) India.  If I am right and you see this as the incorrect
       way for us to have behaved that would in fact endorse Sir
       Wilfred Laurier in his understanding of how in this age one
       country should receive immigrants from another.
       It is plain logic is it not, if someone wishes to take another
       country as their homeland then they need to become completely
       dedicated to that new world both in ways, laws, speech and life
       of that new country.  After all that is what every true believer
       is instructed to do by the word of the Lord, by book and by the
       Spirit.
       #Post#: 3618--------------------------------------------------
       Re: If Only We Had Listened...
   DIR By: Rita
       Date: February 17, 2015, 9:41 am
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       I think the way we did things was wrong. So to suggest the we
       should have listened to him goes against what we did ourselves-
       this man was applying it to immigrants going to canada, I guess
       it would very much depend on whether Canada had other natives
       there before those from the western world arrived. Would the
       indians have already been there, if they were, then we did the
       same, if they weren't and it was free open land, then yes I
       agree.
       Its more a case for hypocracy.
       I believe that the way the native americans were treated in the
       US and the aboriginies ( spelling ) in Australia have always
       bothered me - it was their land first, but we went in and
       eventually they were mariginalised.
       In many respects the Muslims are infact endeavouring to do the
       same here, some could say its poetic justice.
       I am honestly not sure I am saying I agree or not, must admit to
       being a bit confused !! LOL
       ( it doesn't take much ) !
       #Post#: 3619--------------------------------------------------
       Re: If Only We Had Listened...
   DIR By: guest6
       Date: February 17, 2015, 10:25 am
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       --- Quote from: James ---
       >
       > It is plain logic is it not, if someone wishes to take another
       country as their homeland then they need to become completely
       dedicated to that new world both in ways, laws, speech and life
       of that new country.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I'm not sure I agree with Laurier and I'm not sure that is plain
       logic.
       I was intrigued by the idea that Canada has only two languages -
       how did that come about?  Whatever happened to the native
       languages?
       I am a British citizen. I am not completely dedicated to the
       ways, laws, speech and life of this country.  Why should I
       expect people who come here and want to make it their hiome be
       any more dedicated than me?  That is not logical.
       Also, I like the additional culture that other nationalities
       bring to this country.  Where would be be without our Chinese
       takeaways and our Bengali curry houses!   I love to hear
       Nigerians pray is the way that only Nigerians seem to pray.
       Goodness, please lets not make them all part of the knitting
       group in conservative middle England churches.
       That brings me to another point.  As British people we a diverse
       bunch.  Not just across national boundaries, but across county
       boundaries too.  So when you say an immigrant should conform
       completely to this nation's identity, which corner of the nation
       are you referring to?
       I think Britain is a richer country (and I don't mean
       financially) because of immigration. Let's embrace it and make
       it work for all of those who live here.
       That's my uninformed two-penneth.
       Mike HH
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       Re: If Only We Had Listened...
   DIR By: Mike
       Date: February 17, 2015, 4:45 pm
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       My wife and I recently had a two day stay in Greenwich using
       tubes and buses.
       Sooooo totally different from Norfolk where 'coloured' people
       are in such a minority.
       We found ourselves (as 'English whites') in the considerable
       minority, especially with hordes of Asian school children
       seemingly quite oblivious as to whether or not England was their
       'homeland'. In fact I guess many or most of them were born here.
       But the thing that struck us most was how pleasant, happy, and
       peacefully they all were. The teenage Asian girls looked like
       angels compared with the teenage English girls who were often
       obese, tartish, and slovenly.
       If they grow older and become aggressive towards us, who and
       what is it that is at the root cause, I wonder?
       #Post#: 3629--------------------------------------------------
       Re: If Only We Had Listened...
   DIR By: James
       Date: February 18, 2015, 12:47 pm
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       It is plain logic is it not, if someone wishes to take another
       country as their homeland then they need to become completely
       dedicated to that new world both in ways, laws, speech and life
       of that new country.  After all that is what every true believer
       is instructed to do by the word of the Lord, by book and by the
       Spirit.
       I had thought that the fact that I was speaking from a spiritual
       point of view concerning the new location that each born again
       person is supposedly heading for was evident but I see it went
       over a few heads , sorry for that confusion.
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