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#Post#: 1134--------------------------------------------------
..but with God
By: Helen Date: September 29, 2014, 6:16 pm
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The Bible shows us some strange battle strategies. Walking
around the walls. Sending the praisers before the fighting army
etc..
And in Judges 7. God caused Gideon use just 300 men, horns,
jars, and blazing torches against armies that were “as
numerous as locusts; and their camels were without number”
Wow...how quickly I read it, yet how weighty when meditating on
it.
Could Israel defeat such a foe? Humanly it was impossible! They
had neither the manpower nor the military strategy. But they had
'one thing' that worked for them and that was all they needed.
:) All any of us need.
They had God’s promise 7“ The Lord said to Gideon,
“I will deliver you with the 300 men who lapped and will
give the Midianites into your hands; so let all the other people
go, each man to his home.” The result? Victory!
When we are facing heavy challenges ...if we have His word in
our heart we are already there even if not quite there...yet.
The Lord has said, “Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all
flesh. Is there anything too hard for Me?” (Jer. 32:27).
With God, all things are possible.
#Post#: 1184--------------------------------------------------
Re: ..but with God
By: James Date: September 30, 2014, 3:52 pm
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When you use the expression "his word in your heart " what do
you mean?
Where do you 'Feel' the word, is it a feeling as if you know in
your belly or is it a feeling that you just know in your mind?
I ask because this, and your other comment on the John 3 started
by Mike are alike.
#Post#: 1185--------------------------------------------------
Re: ..but with God
By: Mike Date: September 30, 2014, 4:20 pm
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For my part, Christ is 'The Word', and Christ dwells within my
heart.
And I attribute the same meaning as does Paul in 2Cor 3:
"Ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ
ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of
the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of
the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of
ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us
able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of
the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life"
#Post#: 1187--------------------------------------------------
Re: ..but with God
By: Helen Date: September 30, 2014, 4:38 pm
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When I say that = " "his word in your heart ".. I am meaning
...we have read the word = written word = bible. We have 'fed'
upon it. And, because it is withing us at the time of battle the
written word , quickend by the Spirit becomes the Rehma living
word for the season/moment..it is the jawbone of an ass in our
hand just as Samson had.
It is written, it is written, it is written.
'Out of the heart the mouth speaks' If we have never put it in
there it can't come out!
The Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in
My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to
your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
I 'feel' it between and just below my rib cage , right in the
middle ;)
It has to be in there, if it's going to come out! :)
... And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee,( being 'put
in' at a previous time) saying, This is the way, walk ye in it,
when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
... or in battle..As I see it!
I know that you know it, methinks you are about to trip me up,
as you never waste words! LOL
And yes Mike...I also see that when the Living Word Christ
dwells within our hearts...the Word Abides. I guess I see a
difference between Christ The Word, and a 'word in season' to be
used in battle combat...but maybe they are just one and the
same?
In my thinking the 'words' I have hidden in my heart are usually
the personal words God has given to me. ( but, maybe I am
talking in circles! I have done that before!! )
#Post#: 1199--------------------------------------------------
Re: ..but with God
By: Ivor Date: October 1, 2014, 1:10 am
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I know exactly what you are saying Helen we are sure as eggs is
eggs that God will be victorious even if we as a foot soldier
should fall in battle the war is already won. It is an attitude
that has become part of us as much as our right arm from reading
the bible and getting to know God and building an assuredness
that when He speaks so it will be.
Like David walking towards Goliath he was sure that the victory
was God's even if he were to die in the process but because with
God all things are possible David didn't die in battle and the
tiny army of 300 were victorious. Assured expectation is where
we live
Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send?
And who will go for us?”
And I said, “Here am I. Send me!” Isa 6 8
This was not a considered reasoned reply considering the pro and
the cons but and impulsive "yes " God will be with me whatever
the future holds.
It is the Lord who goes before you. He will be with you; he will
not leave you or forsake you. Do not fear or be dismayed.” Duet
31 8
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Re: ..but with God
By: Mike Date: October 1, 2014, 1:57 am
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IMO Christian 'Victory' is a differing element in differing
situations.
On a personal level it is fully 'there', and is only limited if
we choose so to do.
On a corporate level it is also 'there' in the sense that Christ
promised that, come what may, even the very gates of Hades will
never prevail against his 'church'.
However he foretold of apostasy in his parables of Matthew 13;
which parables have clearly been, and are being, fulfilled
throughout the church's 2000 year history.
In that sense 'corporate victory' is in the form of the church
'prevailing', albeit against the general progression/digression
of apostasy.
Leastways that is my 'bible based' belief, together with my
'experience'.
OK corporate 'revival experiences' happen, and are indeed
'victories', but it's always two or more steps forward, against
three or more steps back in the overall picture.
#Post#: 1300--------------------------------------------------
Re: ..but with God
By: James Date: October 2, 2014, 3:30 pm
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Helen said-: I have often wondered, if salvation is a heart
thing..why do we need 'The renewing of the mind' We don't see
with our mind. Unless the heart and mind are interwoven ?
No! It was not to trip you up it was because of the above quote
I wondered where you felt God was in you, and your reply was in
fact "not the mind".
One reason the mind must be changed is because we see Adam had a
walking relationship with the Lord, yet he could be open to a
different point of view. I would say that the serpent used the
mind of Adam and Eve. It is an interesting thought that
"people" say because of the fall we now have two natures, yet
did not Adam have two natures before the fall one side of him
could walk with God and live a life compatible with Eden and the
other nature was able to listen to the voice of another, Adam
and Eve were in two minds about where they were heading, before
making a final decision.
As I see it the heart knows the voice of God, the mind then
being of the body then does what it should and serves up
solutions as to how to achieve what the heart hears, not all
these solutions are right or even sanctified therefore the mind
needs to be renewed to always come up with the means of
fulfilling Gods will by the principles of the spirit. To me it
is like the navigator plotting a course and saying steer zero 4*
but the mind then has to implement what the heart is saying. We
are told that where your treasure is there will your heart be
also, we have to train our minds to forsake and never ever again
suggest certain aspects as worth any value. For what we value
that is what our heart will speak from.
I bet you can blow some holes in this Helen but I thought it
might help maybe not!
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Re: ..but with God
By: Ivor Date: October 2, 2014, 4:00 pm
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James
I personally cannot see Adam not being made perfect, I believe
he was and yet he could consider whatever he wanted and that it
was the serpent who was the first fallen one who (for whatever
reason) introduced doubts that God was being deceitful and
holding something back from them.
Whatever reason the serpent wanted to drag others down with him
Adam willfully chose to believe the serpent above God and I
think that is when the two natures was born
#Post#: 1303--------------------------------------------------
Re: ..but with God
By: Helen Date: October 2, 2014, 6:51 pm
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Yes I like that James. I can see that the mind , will, and
emotions must be renewed and come under the leadership of The
Spirit. Yes, ....I feel that the heart somehow sits 'in the
middle' and can be influence by either the mind or the
Spirit...therefore we "follow" Him with our heart, not with our
mind...Yet the mind must be convinced...
#Post#: 1319--------------------------------------------------
Re: ..but with God
By: James Date: October 3, 2014, 5:43 am
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I think that is a miss held opinion Ivor, the bible does not
imo justify that train of thought.
Either something is perfect or it is not, in the case of the
bible reference, it is not.
Not once is Adam and Eve called perfect. The word perfect means
something that is absolute and entire, it is the finished
product it can neither be added to or diminished in any way, see
James1:4
By now you may have a hint that I do not see the couple in the
garden as perfect. It is interesting that God when he makes
them does not call them perfect or even as he does the rest of
what he makes "good" other than in the expression where he looks
at all he has made summing up, and sees it as "very good", the
word used here is good=beautiful, pleasant, ready.
We are aware that the word used here is a adjective, it is a
descriptive word it means God made a good sun a good moon and so
on it does not and can never mean that what was made was
intrinsically good by nature however much we might like that to
be the case, the bible will not support it.
If God made Adam perfect then Adam would still be perfect now, I
am not sure that the bible supports this theory.
All of that which the Lord God made was conditional, it was all
made with the ability to change and transmogrify. The condition
was, as long as the head walks in obedience then the status-quo
will be maintained.
This is a wonderful illustration of the truth (which most
Christian do not see) that our sin is never just personal it
effects the state of creation. While we "work out our own
salvation with fear and trembling" we must be aware that we have
the responsibility of the cosmos to consider also.
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