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#Post#: 15463--------------------------------------------------
Have I missed God's perfect will in this?
By: Amadeus Date: February 2, 2021, 8:36 pm
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This morning I had read the first four chapters in Job where
Elihu a young man had waited quietly while the 4 older men spoke
their peace. Then when Job and his 3 miserable friends finally
were quiet, Elihu began to admonish them all, the 3 for their
foolish really baseless accusations and suppositions, Job for
his self-righteousness and presumption that somehow God had
maybe made a mistake.
One point is that old men don't necessarily have the best
answers to questions nor do they necessarily always stand
closest to God. How old and close to God was Moses when he
struck the rock in anger instead only speaking to it as God had
told him to do. He was no youngster considering that he was 80
years old when he left Egypt.
An almost new member of CB [in his 50's so not really young,
though much younger than me] posted me a question in a PM about
why I was pulling back from involvement in that forum. I
responded at length and then he came back at me with lots of
questions and some really good food for thought for me. I have
yet to respond to him again. I hoping to first get some input
here from people I know who are also familiar with CB. Any ideas
may be helpful.
I have already said good bye, but if I should not have, I really
do want to know it. I have been believing I was completely in
God's will... but if I am not, it certainly would not be the
first time. Come back to a question I posed not long ago on CB:
Where to now?
I thought knew the answer, but...?
#Post#: 15464--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I missed God's perfect will in this?
By: Helen Date: February 3, 2021, 12:02 am
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=1012.msg15463#msg15463
date=1612319787]
This morning I had read the first four chapters in Job where
Elihu a young man had waited quietly while the 4 older men spoke
their peace. Then when Job and his 3 miserable friends finally
were quiet, Elihu began to admonish them all, the 3 for their
foolish really baseless accusations and suppositions, Job for
his self-righteousness and presumption that somehow God had
maybe made a mistake.
One point is that old men don't necessarily have the best
answers to questions nor do they necessarily always stand
closest to God. How old and close to God was Moses when he
struck the rock in anger instead only speaking to it as God had
told him to do. He was no youngster considering that he was 80
years old when he left Egypt.
An almost new member of CB [in his 50's so not really young,
though much younger than me] posted me a question in a PM about
why I was pulling back from involvement in that forum. I
responded at length and then he came back at me with lots of
questions and some really good food for thought for me. I have
yet to respond to him again. I hoping to first get some input
here from people I know who are also familiar with CB. Any ideas
may be helpful.
I have already said good bye, but if I should not have, I really
do want to know it. I have been believing I was completely in
God's will... but if I am not, it certainly would not be the
first time. Come back to a question I posed not long ago on CB:
Where to now?
I thought knew the answer, but...?
[/quote]
John, I think I have said Goodbye about three times on CB since
2007 ...( I had a gap after 2007 for 4 years , then came there
in 2011 under "ByGrace" and a new account..about two months in I
posted a Goodbye...the arguing and rudeness got to me. But 101G
and FH11 PM'ed me and begged me not to go.
So I stayed. They both encouraged me to get involved in the
bible study boards.
You still have you account , so you need have no regrets . :)
I don't have much to 'step back from" , as I haven't posted
much for a few months . Its a sad state of affairs ...I wish
those who posted showed some grief at your farewell. But I
felt it was a case of " see you later" as they carry on as
usual!! It seemed to touch no one. ( hence my PM to you)
There ARE "times and seasons " in God...we still have our
accounts ...if the immature ones drop away , maybe things can
resurrect again there.
Breaks are good. It gives us time to reflect.
Blessings...H
#Post#: 15468--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I missed God's perfect will in this?
By: Rita Date: February 3, 2021, 1:39 am
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I have been jumping backwards and forwards with regards to the
issue of CB and what I should be doing. It doesn’t feed me much,
and then every so often there will be a gem of a post that The
Lord really uses, Gideons post ,after he had initially said
goodbye, and then chose to say something. It was real food for
thought. He explained something in a way that was helpful.
CB does seem to be a real battle ground, but it’s a Christian
one. Infighting , reminds me of a vision I had years ago when I
was part of a local church.
So I have no idea myself if it is right or wrong to continue
being there.
To me it seems that human reactions and responses are viewed as
being Godly ones and the Godly responses are gems , but often
not visible to many because they are so sure that they see so
much more and therefore don’t have an open heart to examine the
attitudes. I have fallen into this trap myself , and still do.
Rita
#Post#: 15469--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I missed God's perfect will in this?
By: Amadeus Date: February 3, 2021, 10:32 am
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=1012.msg15464#msg15464
date=1612332159]
John, I think I have said Goodbye about three times on CB since
2007 ...( I had a gap after 2007 for 4 years , then came there
in 2011 under "ByGrace" and a new account..about two months in I
posted a Goodbye...the arguing and rudeness got to me. But 101G
and FH11 PM'ed me and begged me not to go.
So I stayed. They both encouraged me to get involved in the
bible study boards.
You still have you account , so you need have no regrets . :)
I don't have much to 'step back from" , as I haven't posted
much for a few months . Its a sad state of affairs ...I wish
those who posted showed some grief at your farewell. But I
felt it was a case of " see you later" as they carry on as
usual!! It seemed to touch no one. ( hence my PM to you)
There ARE "times and seasons " in God...we still have our
accounts ...if the immature ones drop away , maybe things can
resurrect again there.
Breaks are good. It gives us time to reflect.
Blessings...H
[/quote]
Thanks Helen,
Actually, I have received quite a few supportive PMs over there
about my situation and some input to help me consider my
alternatives. I have swung back and forth on it, but I am
waiting a little longer for additional thought and prayer before
announcing anything more definite one way or the other.
#Post#: 15470--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I missed God's perfect will in this?
By: Amadeus Date: February 3, 2021, 10:41 am
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[quote author=Rita link=topic=1012.msg15468#msg15468
date=1612337989]
I have been jumping backwards and forwards with regards to the
issue of CB and what I should be doing. It doesn’t feed me much,
and then every so often there will be a gem of a post that The
Lord really uses, Gideons post ,after he had initially said
goodbye, and then chose to say something. It was real food for
thought. He explained something in a way that was helpful.
CB does seem to be a real battle ground, but it’s a Christian
one. Infighting , reminds me of a vision I had years ago when I
was part of a local church.
So I have no idea myself if it is right or wrong to continue
being there.
To me it seems that human reactions and responses are viewed as
being Godly ones and the Godly responses are gems , but often
not visible to many because they are so sure that they see so
much more and therefore don’t have an open heart to examine the
attitudes. I have fallen into this trap myself , and still do.
Rita
[/quote]
Gideon hit me hard on it when I first advised him of what was in
my mind. He and I were very close friends many years ago on
another forum but he quit forums altogether for a few years due
to personal family troubles. He is ministering but he needed a
friend again and admitted that his mild protest to me on a PM
was a bit selfish on his part. He wanted me there for a little
support against those who have been flat out against him. I gave
in on that point and have initiated a personal e-mail
correspondence with him no matter what happens with me on CB.
Now I am on a pendulum and waiting for it stop...
#Post#: 15474--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I missed God's perfect will in this?
By: bbyrd009 Date: February 3, 2021, 12:58 pm
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=1012.msg15463#msg15463
date=1612319787]
This morning I had read the first four chapters in Job where
Elihu a young man had waited quietly while the 4 older men spoke
their peace. Then when Job and his 3 miserable friends finally
were quiet, Elihu began to admonish them all, the 3 for their
foolish really baseless accusations and suppositions, Job for
his self-righteousness and presumption that somehow God had
maybe made a mistake.
One point is that old men don't necessarily have the best
answers to questions nor do they necessarily always stand
closest to God. How old and close to God was Moses when he
struck the rock in anger instead only speaking to it as God had
told him to do. He was no youngster considering that he was 80
years old when he left Egypt.
An almost new member of CB [in his 50's so not really young,
though much younger than me] posted me a question in a PM about
why I was pulling back from involvement in that forum. I
responded at length and then he came back at me with lots of
questions and some really good food for thought for me. I have
yet to respond to him again. I hoping to first get some input
here from people I know who are also familiar with CB. Any ideas
may be helpful.
I have already said good bye, but if I should not have, I really
do want to know it. I have been believing I was completely in
God's will... but if I am not, it certainly would not be the
first time. Come back to a question I posed not long ago on CB:
Where to now?
I thought knew the answer, but...?
[/quote]my take is that we are told not to mix milk and meat,
which to me has presented a dilemma of community, where do i
belong kinda thing. And my choices seem to be "nowhere," which
seem to be coming from emotions, and the reactions i get, but i
can dimly see how the better answer might be "everywhere," by
adjusting my replies, being less "bald" maybe, and giving a
reply that serves them rather than me. Which i dont really know
how to do yet! lol
#Post#: 15477--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I missed God's perfect will in this?
By: Amadeus Date: February 3, 2021, 1:47 pm
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[quote author=bbyrd009 link=topic=1012.msg15474#msg15474
date=1612378702]
my take is that we are told not to mix milk and meat, which to
me has presented a dilemma of community, where do i belong kinda
thing. And my choices seem to be "nowhere," which seem to be
coming from emotions, and the reactions i get, but i can dimly
see how the better answer might be "everywhere," by adjusting my
replies, being less "bald" maybe, and giving a reply that serves
them rather than me. Which i dont really know how to do yet! lol
[/quote]
Eventually you will be, I believe, absolutely right... that we
are not to be mixing...
The problem is that right now, there are people, few perhaps,
who really want to share visions to improve one another in where
they with God. There are also some who are really new in any
kind of walk with God and simply need some help. Don't mix with
the evil, but don't cast away anything good.
Most denominal churches we might walk into in our neighborhoods
would be happy to see us until we opened our mouths with
questions or declarations about the way they were already doing
things. Do they need improvement? Do we have anything to offer
that will help them to improve? From us, usually, they do not
want hear any such things.
Some Internet forums are likely just like that as well... but
sometimes opportunities exist for us to insert something. Of
course in your own case with CB, when you pressed too hard in
some places, there was that same resistance to even listening...
and then someone with the authority would come along to send you
on your way.
I have not been banned yet, but my method of inserting may be a
bit milder than yours. But some people already know where I have
gone astray [from the way they LOL know is the correct and only
way] and probably would not hesitate to get me also for spouting
the wrong message. You of course remember mjrhealth. You and
him bumped heads pretty hard at times. Now he is in your boat
for the same reason: blasphemy! Someone has a definition of
blasphemy they are applying rather severely as mjr was also
banned.
But as I have seen by the reactions via PM to my good bye forum
message that all of the doors are not closed.
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Re: Have I missed God's perfect will in this?
By: Helen Date: February 3, 2021, 5:42 pm
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Oh wow, Mjr banned too!
I didn't always agree with his- ' only I am serving the Lord
with my whole heart, and the rest of you are carnal etc etc '
...kind of posts ...and told him so.
He comes across kind of judgy and negative 'to me' .
But I KNOW he has always had a real heart and hunger for the
things of the Lord. Sorry to hear he was banned.
He is a member here also.
I shake my head where CB is concerned.
What kind of people are they trying to make happy members?
It all confuses me.
#Post#: 15487--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I missed God's perfect will in this?
By: Amadeus Date: February 3, 2021, 6:39 pm
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=1012.msg15486#msg15486
date=1612395768]
Oh wow, Mjr banned too!
I didn't always agree with his- ' only I am serving the Lord
with my whole heart, and the rest of you are carnal etc etc '
...kind of posts ...and told him so.
He comes across kind of judgy and negative 'to me' .
But I KNOW he has always had a real heart and hunger for the
things of the Lord. Sorry to hear he was banned.
He is a member here also.
I shake my head where CB is concerned.
What kind of people are they trying to make happy members?
It all confuses me.
[/quote]
Very simply Helen, men are using their carnal minds to
straighten out the problems of the forum... or they believe that
they are. On a designated Christian forum moderators have a hard
row to hoe. What is wrong? Perhaps the same thing that was wrong
with the Jews led by the scribes and Pharisees when Jesus came
among them.
God has always had a Way for people to come to Him. In the OT it
was through a priest or a prophet or some such thing, but people
too often figured out a "better" way, according to their own
plan instead of God's. Just a few variations and traditions
added...
God's plan now for us should necessitate encountering and
following the Holy Spirit. [Some may not agree?] Perhaps, people
in churches/assemblies and, yes, also on Internet Christian
forums, too often try to manage it like they would manage a
secular business enterprise. Their methods might work well for
a carnal business, but that is certainly not God's Way. If
anyone expects God's purpose to be accomplished he needs to
learn to let God lead the Way and always do it God's Way.
Bbyrd009 and mjrhealth were both banned for blasphemy, probably
the administrator's definition rather than God's! And then
perhaps there are probably unwritten rules or guidelines for
moderators to follow or pursue:
1) Just clean out all of those who are members of a cult and
things will run smoother. What is a cult and who decides which
ones, if any, are members? Hmmm?
2) Of course every effort should be made to get rid of anyone
who is not a staunch Republican or not a supporter of Trump as
they cannot be followers of Jesus...
Are there any more we can add? On other forums there are many
others... just get yourself a menu to find the one that fits
your particular preferences...
3) Non-Trinitarians need not apply for membership here.
4) No tongue talkers allowed.
No need to continue, but the list does go on doesn't it? Even if
the person is way off base in what he believes, just saying,
"Your wrong and are therefore excluded!" should be how we do
it...or?
They are sifted out at the door to the church house or by the
forum's guidelines:
Never mind checking in with God, "I know what God wants"
#Post#: 15496--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I missed God's perfect will in this?
By: Nancy Date: February 7, 2021, 7:14 pm
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Perfectly put John,
Maybe the robots should be the moderators, lol. At least they
can be programmed to NOT be biased!
Oh how quickly things change. So grateful we have a God who
does not. :)
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