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#Post#: 2405--------------------------------------------------
Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
DIR By: Snaquaza
Date: September 26, 2013, 9:04 am
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Say which mons carry rock coverage options besides Terra and
Tyrani
Next thing: Why are we even having to talk about OU, why
wouldn't it good to make it RU or PU?
#Post#: 2406--------------------------------------------------
Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
DIR By: Present
Date: September 26, 2013, 12:28 pm
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Hmm I never said it was OU, I just took a calc vs Heatran (an OU
mon), providing calculations how it fares in OU. (Since all
non-Ubers are allowed there) Also, we do not make a pokemon RU
or NU, it becomes RU / NU based on usage. Being or not being
good to give a mon a certain tier as its home seems arbitrary
and detrimental of the fact that this should be ingame
discussion. But I"ll answer your questions.
cofagragus, I think you misread shock wave, it does not get it.
Silver Wind is inferior to Bug Buzz, Shadow Ball has more PP
then Omnious Wind (even then, I would never run ghost type moves
on this thing: ghost hits other ghosts and psychic types.
Psychic types get hit by Bug Buzz, and ghosts will be psychic'd
for neutral damage. Running Ghost type coverage would give up
too much)
Rock coverage in OU is seen on Terrakion, Landorus-T and
Tyranitar, which are also the only Rock types around. Looking
down at UU and the like with some usage in current OU,
Darmanitan runs Rock Slide, Mienshao runs Stone Edge and certain
weird variants of Hippowdon run Stone Edge to hit Gyarados
harder than with Ice Fang. (I would never do that either way)
Ghost type coverage is run on Gengar, some Jellicent and OTR
Reuniclus.
Dark Type Coverage is run on Tyranitar, and any other Dark types
seeing occasional use in OU. Pursuit is used on Scizor.
Bug type coverage is used on only Bug types, except for U-turn,
which gets used on any fast scouting pokemon. It sees less use
then before though.
Fire type coverage is run on not only fire teams, but on almost
any offensive Special / Mixed Pokemon to get around steel types
(lati@s, darmanitan, dragonite, salamence, stoutland, etc. etc.
all run fire type coverage. It is one of the most common
coverage types)
Flying type sees some good use this generation, much more then
before: Brave Bird on occasional suicide birds (least common
one), Bounce on Gyarados, and most common is Hurricane on rain
teams.
Aerial Ace should never be used, with its very weak 50 Base
Attack
Stealth Rock is (should) be seen on every team.
I did give reasons for Regenerate.
I said psychic types like gardevoir and mr mime, with like being
an indication of examples, not an indication of listing all
pokemon with access to the previsouly mentioned move.
Eneomas, I am sorry if you had to lower your BST's of your mons.
I do not think that should be a reason to lower other mons BST's
though.
Psychic should be 63, yes.
Snaq, I feel like I have elaborated on the abilities a lot by
now, and have proven that they are nowhere near OP. I do feel
that you are afraid of the abilities in themselves. Since
Technician is good on Scizor and Breloom (130 base attack 9
priority moves each), does not mean it is automatic good on this
poke. Even Ambipom is not OU (though by means of Technician and
fake out, it should be according to its OPness) At least, that
is what I read in your comment.
I seriously doubt a lot that this bug will make it into OU. I
really, really do not think it will get even close. It gets
beaten by Sun (welp fire moves), Rain (don't let it take
Hurricanes / Hydro Pumps), Sand teams (welp T-tar and Landorus).
Offensive teams will do a lot of damage too (fire coverage is
really common, as well as strong, OHKO'ing neutral hits). By my
calculations, with stealth rocks, a lot of neutral hits will
simply OHKO (haxorus / garchomp, Latios etc. the dragons.)
This Pokemon is at a disadvantage in any weather as well as
against dragon teams (4drag2mag). It should find some middle
ground in something like RU (my estimation, if a lot of people
think it has utility, it might be really low UU).
Hmm snaq, neither does this mon have Megahorn (or psystrike, or
hypnosis) I did not simply give it all moves remniscient with
its typing.
I really do like a bulky little bug. I do not see what is wrong
with envisioning a fat mon who is so busy building things, like
nests or some machinery with its claws all the time (zooming in
with lenses), but not moving enough and getting fat.
This was something I had in mind (with automatic lenses, to use
in building very small objects)
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I think I responded to everyone right now. If I missed
something, either point it out or ask it again.
#Post#: 2407--------------------------------------------------
Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
DIR By: Snaquaza
Date: September 26, 2013, 12:39 pm
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You say we don't make a mon for a tier, which is certainly true,
I mostly use RU for it's ability and viability tho, this would
be stronger ingame (less tyranitar, more patrat) and it has
really great stats especially for in game, so that seems to
increase my point
You say the abilities might not be OP, I still don't see them
fit and put in a bit too easily (no swarm, illuminate, frisk,
inner focus etc.)
Well, bulky little bugs probably don't have 115 SPA stats or 85
speed stats, probably lower than 90 defenses too
Most ingame mons don't even get close to this kind of stats
now competitive, I calced with a starmie which is basically this
mon
252+ SpA Starmie Thunder vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Politoed: 262-310
(68.22 - 80.72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (bulkiest version of Toed)
252+ SpA Starmie Thunder vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Tentacruel: 226-266
(62.25 - 73.27%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (it fares badly against
rain?)
252+ SpA Starmie Thunder vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Keldeo: 286-338 (88.54
- 104.64%) -- 31.25% chance to OHKO
now other way around
252 SpA Life Orb Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Starmie in
rain: 398-469 (68.26 - 80.44%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (it can
actually take on of THE strongest Hydro Pumps IN RAIN)
So I don't think you should make calcs for your mon so they are
not op, maybe you should take calcs so you know for sure they
aren't that good and will instead of "OP", "Mediocre"
#Post#: 2409--------------------------------------------------
Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
DIR By: Naminé
Date: September 26, 2013, 2:10 pm
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It is not little looking at that pic it is a bulky fat blob
buggy.
Badly against rain was the hurricane not hydro pump.
If you make it defensive it means it is slow and weaker no
investements.
It can be late-game catchable like Volcarona in the ruins.
#Post#: 2410--------------------------------------------------
Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
DIR By: Eneomas
Date: September 26, 2013, 2:49 pm
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i would rather see like durnat tbh, otherwise, add a location
#Post#: 2411--------------------------------------------------
Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
DIR By: Snaquaza
Date: September 26, 2013, 3:30 pm
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Hurricane isn't common only found on Volcarona, Moltres and
Tornadus, which aren't all that much used
#Post#: 2420--------------------------------------------------
Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
DIR By: Naminé
Date: September 27, 2013, 9:24 am
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I'll be gone for the next two days, but what the heck. You use
Thunder in your calc, while this poke does not get it. You also
use hydro pump vs Starmie, which Starmie resists, and the Bug
does not.
Am I missing something in the weirdness of these calcs?
I mean, they might be good for something, but why did you put
them up? What is your point? Showing Starmie hits hard with
thunder vs water type mons? Showing it can live resisted hits?
My poke does not have thunder (it will use psychic indtead) and
it does not resist water, so it will be killed instead. Why post
starmie surviving while my mon would die? what is the point if
not only reitereating the fact that my bug is less powerful than
starmie?
^ post by present btw, I used nam's pc and it automoatically
logged in on his account.
#Post#: 2421--------------------------------------------------
Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
DIR By: Snaquaza
Date: September 27, 2013, 10:12 am
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Nam you can change the typing in the calc...
Anyway it doesn't learn thunder? why does it learn Tbolt then,
because it is usually a better move?
#Post#: 2422--------------------------------------------------
Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
DIR By: Meloetta
Date: September 27, 2013, 11:34 am
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gerard joling/patricia paay/justin bieber/2chainz maybe
#Post#: 2563--------------------------------------------------
Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
DIR By: Snaquaza
Date: October 9, 2013, 12:44 am
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Ok, my critique might've been a bit off after I discussed with
RP about it, however I won't vote yet until I get a clear image
how it looks as I have a hard time imagining it atm
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