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       Toxitherm
   DIR By: Snaquaza
       Date: September 12, 2013, 2:04 pm
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       Toxitherm Poison/Ground
       HP 140
       Atk 90
       Def 55
       SpAtk 80
       SpDef 55
       Spe 35
       Abilities: Expertism (see Abilities discussion)/Poison Point/DW
       Sand Veil
       Movepool:
       -Ice Fang
       -Thunder Fang
       -Fire Fang
       -Sand Attack
       -Pound
       5Bide
       12Poison Sting
       16Dig
       21Flame Burst
       27Bug Buzz
       34Earth Power
       39Gunk Shot
       43Bug Bite
       46Flamethrower
       52Earthquake
       56Toxic Spikes
       63Fissure
       ::Egg Groups::
       Field/Bug
       Egg Moves:
       -Crunch
       -Flame Wheel
       -Sucker Punch
       -Flame Wheel
       -Coil
       -Endure
       -Recycle
       -Spikes
       The pre evos are yet to come.
       Wormeth
       Ground/Bug
       Same abilities, attacks and egg moves as above
       HP90
       Atk50
       Def30
       SpAtk20
       SpDef40
       Spe65
       Jaworm (second evo)
       Abilities:Expertism/Swarm/DW Arena Trap
       Ground/Bug
       HP 130
       Atk 80
       Def 45
       SpAtk 55
       SpDef 50
       Spe 40
       (BST 400)
       Movepool:
       -Sand Attack
       -Pound
       4Bide
       10Poison Sting
       15Dig
       21Protect
       26Bug Buzz
       32Mud Bomb
       38Gunk Shot
       43Bug Bite
       49Earthquake
       Same egg moves and egg group
       #Post#: 2249--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Toxitherm
   DIR By: Snaquaza
       Date: September 12, 2013, 2:07 pm
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       I voted Negative for a couple of reasons, mostly of moves
       but first start at typing:
       Strange retype and losing Bug type is really strange
       Stats: bit high HP of which idk the reasoning
       Moves:
       Spikes idk how it fits, could fit but I don't really see it
       Coil no idea, srry
       flamethrower/other fire moves why does it even learn those?
       Abilities: is Arena Trap not too much... also just seems a
       gimmicky option to make ti good
       might seem bad, but it's better than last 2, however it still
       got enough negative points to make me vote negative
       Can't be changed btw guys
       #Post#: 2251--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Toxitherm
   DIR By: Eneomas
       Date: September 12, 2013, 2:15 pm
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       I seem to notice SOP's mons are lacking information, which
       doesn't help. First off, what's the story? He's not bad at
       making one (RPG), but there is zero information. Second off, how
       does it evolve? Why does it have such bizarre stats? Why does it
       learn fire moves at all?
       There is more reasoning to be done, but that's for tommorow.
       #Post#: 2253--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Toxitherm
   DIR By: Snaquaza
       Date: September 12, 2013, 2:18 pm
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       Eneomas what do you mean with RPG?
       #Post#: 2258--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Toxitherm
   DIR By: cofagragus
       Date: September 12, 2013, 5:40 pm
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       I think hes saying SOP has very detailed "flavour" and story
       (such as backstory/dex entry) in the RPG, but this has NO
       REASONING. Umm, if you look at Toxitherms name and art
       (recovered from Magistrums profile on Smogon), it has a huge
       mouth that looks like it would blow a flamethrower out of it and
       its named Toxitherm for a reason (Toxic + Thermal), since it
       sounds it would be coming from deep underground, it would sound
       good that it adapted to its hot surroundings underground. Also
       if you look up Jaworm Deviantart up on Google, you will find it
       is a Pokemon concept from someone else, the typing change from
       Ground/Bug --> Ground/Poison is an idea stolen from that person.
       @Eneomas, this was made before this forums were even made,
       seeing that will make you see he wasnt doing RPGs in the old
       group before, so it doesnt seem like he would be great before.
       So if this is given a "background" of info, I think more ppl
       would understand stuff like this; I think he doesnt explain
       enough about his mons ( Scythclops was a fail and he said it was
       supposed to have "metal fists" when it was a Metal/Ghost more
       described as a Pokemon with claws; another fail was that
       Porygon-0 and his Thermoglace :/)
       #Post#: 2260--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Toxitherm
   DIR By: Snaquaza
       Date: September 12, 2013, 5:57 pm
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       Hey thnx cofag for noticing that :), now we can keep this banned
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