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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Yusuf Abdwasii Date: February 25, 2018, 12:11 pm
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:P ::)
What should I say to this?
The both debaters are well prepared, they're here to give us all
they've got. in fact, it's a great privilege to witness.
Now, the first presentation section is gone. Let's fall to the
second presentation.
Christian apologist, what have you for us the second
presentation?
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Jesustotheworld Date: February 25, 2018, 12:17 pm
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I'm sure my opponent will want to convince us that Jesus is also
coming back according to the Quran, which I myself don't find
convincing, because there is no where in the Quran that Says
Jesus Is coming back.
I will use this particular session to explain exactly why Jesus
is coming back. In plain words, Jesus is coming back to "Judge"
the "Whole" world. This judgement of the whole world further
authenticates his deity and that he is God.
Even from the old testaments Psalm 9:7-8, Psalm 96:13, Malachi
2:17, Zephaniah 3:5, Isaiah 42:1, we see God Being the Judge of
the Earth, then we also see Prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 11:1-11
saying this Judge will be a descendant of David. How? How will
God also be a descendant of David? God will come in the Flesh
see John 1:1-5. Jesus is the only descendant of David who is
holy. In Verse 11 of Isaiah chapter 11, "the Lord is coming the
Second time , that is this Lord will come to the Earth the first
time and then he will go and come back again and this Lord will
be a descendant of David, Only JESUS fits in into this.
Let us look at the verses Jesus proclaimed himself as the Judge
of the Earth:
=> John 5:22
Even the Father judges no one, for He has given all judgment
(the last judgment and the whole business of judging) entirely
into the hands of the Son,
John 12:47-48, John 5:28-30, Mathew 12:18-21, Mathew 25:31-33,
Mark 13:26, Mark 14:62
Criterion for this Judge, who will Judge the World :
1. Gods Spirit will be upon him Isaiah 42:1-4, Psalms 45:6-7-
The Spirit of God Was upon Jesus, see Luke 4:18-21, Mathew 3:16,
John 1:32.
2. Will be a descendant of Abraham and David Genesis 12:3,
Isaiah 11:1-10- Jesus is a descendant of Abraham and David.
Mathew 1, Luke 3, Luke 1:32.
3. Righteousness and Just Psalm 9:7-8,96:13- Jesus is the lamb
of God- John 1:29, Luke 1:35.
So who will Jesus judge?
According to Mathew 25, he will separate the sheep from the
goat, the righteous from the sinful. Jesus /God is not going to
Judge you based on how much good you've done, he will Judge you
based on Righteousness and Sin. He will Judge the good from the
bad. But according to the Bible all Men had sinned and all man
is wicked. So no man is good enough to be Righteous Romans
3:20-23. So there is really no hope for any Man. Until Jesus
came Romans 3:21, and we become Righteous by placing our faith
in Jesus And what he has done.
Jesus death on the cross didn't just happen, it has been
prophecied even from the old testament; and Jesus knew this too.
Mathew 16:21, Mathew 17:22-23, Mathew 20:17-19, Mark 8:31-32,
Mark 9:31, Mark 10:33-34.
• Your believe in Jesus And what he did on the cross will make
you righteous and your Righteousness will produce good fruit of
good deeds. This is how the world will be judged - John
3:36,John 5:24.
Finally, Mathew 7:17; if you are good (in your heart) you will
produce good deeds, if you are bad (in the heart) you will
produce bad deeds. Gods Judgement is not based on your deeds but
your heart.
=» Luke 11:39
But the Lord said to him, Now you Pharisees cleanse the outside
of the cup and of the plate, but inside you yourselves are full
of greed and robbery and extortion and malice and wickedness.
It's only if you have a clean heart that you won't be condemned
and can inherit the Kingdom of God, see Mathew 5:8. And to have
a pure heart is a work of God, see Ezekiel 11:19 and 36:26...
And to give us a new heart that was why Jesus had to die so that
we could be born Again, See Acts 2:1-41.
Thank you for your time.
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Yusuf Abdwasii Date: February 25, 2018, 12:25 pm
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Wow..... I'm so move and taken aback with this latter Christian
apologist presentation.
Today na Today...
It's far from us because we didn't take any step further, it's
so close if steps is taken.
we're now moving gradually to the point we've been waiting for.
I mean the rebuttal, it'll be the most interesting part of this
debate.
Not to waste our precious time, Muslim apologist should Put up
his affront presentation before the rebuttal session.
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Captshittu Date: February 25, 2018, 12:43 pm
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[font=arial]SECOND PRESENTATION[/font]
From this presentation we will know the mission of Jesus, the
reasons behind his second coming, how is going to leave this
world etc.
When Prophet Jesus returns for the second time he will reign as
a Khalifh (i.e successor or follower of prophet Muhammad) and
not a Prophet, follow the Qur'an and Sunnah and rule according
to it, He will act according to the covenant which God made to
prophets in Qur'an 3:81, nor will he bring a new Shariah or
Deen, as Islam is the the religion of all prophets, the Quran is
the last book to be revealed and our Prophet Muhammad is the
last Prophet and there is no Prophet to come after him and the
Quran has made this fact very clear.
Allah says in the Qur'an, "Muhammad is not the father of any of
you but is the Messenger of Allah and the last of the Prophets
(Surah-Al-Ahzaab). He will elevate and spread Islam through out
the world, All types of spiritual and worldly blessings will
descend on Earth in his time.
The Prophet said, "By him whose hands my life is in, surely the
son of Maryam will come down amongst you as a just ruler. He
will break the cross (indicating that he will bring Christianity
to an end), kill the pigs, and abolish the tax. Wealth will be
in such abundance that none will care about it and a single
prostration in a Prayer will be better than the world and all
that is in it." (Abu Huraira/Bukhari, Muslim)
MISSION OR TASK OF JESUS
Prophet Jesus will have three main tasks, when he descends on
the Earth for the second time:
1) The first and most important will be that he will destroy the
Dajjal.
As can be seen, the False Messiah will have been given miracles
to convince people to stray from the path, and many will follow
him. Some hadeeths mention that many people, especially the
Jews, will take him for the real Messiah, as he will announce
himself to be God’s representative. However, he will soon claim
divine power himself, and eventually claim to be the Lord. He
will conquer most of the world and go against the Mahdi in
Damascus, Losing hope of entering these holy places (Makka and
Medina), Dajjal will turn towards Syria. Imaam Mahdi will
already have arranged a Muslim army and will be on the verge of
leading the Muslims in morning prayer when Prophet Jesus will
descend (Usamah / Ibne Majah), and this will be the time the
true Messiah, Jesus will descend when the time of prayer shall
come, and he will pray with them.
The first hadeeth continues to say that he will meet him at
Lydda:
"He (Jesus) will pursue the False Messiah until he captures him
at the gates of Lydda and kills him." (Saheeh Muslim)
Jesus will use a spear guided by God in this killing, by which
the forces of temptation will be vanquished.
2) Protect the Muslims from the barbarous tribes of Yajuj and
Majuj by taking them to Mount Tur and then Praying for their
(Yajuj and Majuj's) destruction.
A short period after killing the Dajjal, Prophet Jesus will be
informed of the release of the two mighty tribes of Ya'juj and
Ma'juj [to read more about Yajuj and Majuj Click here
HTML https://knowtheway.createaforum.com/history-of-people/the-story-of-mag-and-maagog-(episode-1)/].<br
/>Obeying Allah's command He will take the Muslims to Mount Tur
for their protection as nobody will be able to kill the Ya'juj
Ma'juj. Ya'juj and Ma'juj will come forth from every lofty place
causing destruction and bloodshed wherever they go. Their first
batch will come to lake Tiberias and drink all of its water.
Their last batch will come to it and say, "There was once water
in this lake."
Marching on, carrying out pillage and murder to their left and
right they will come to mount of Khamr (a mountain in Jerusalem)
and say, "We have killed the inhbitant of the Earth, let us now
kill the inhabitants of heaven." Thus they will shoot their
arrows towards the sky. Allah will return the arrows covered
with blood and these fools will think they have killed those in
the heaven. Mean while Prophet Jesus and his companions will
remain confined until the head of an ox becomes more valuable
than 100 gold coins. Prophet Jesus and his companions will pray
for their destruction. Allah, answering their prayer will send
insects upon the necks of Ya'juj Ma'juj and in the morning they
will be found dead like one dead man. the believers not being
able to hear their noise that morning will say "Will anybody
sacrifice his life and see what the situation is." Volunteering,
a believer will come down the mountain thinking that he will
never return . However to his suprise he will find that they are
all dead and he will shout, "Good news! Your enemy has died,"
Prophet Jesus and his companions will come down but will find
that the earth is full with their stinking corpses. Yet again
Prophet Jesus and his companions will turn to Allah and pray.
Allah will send birds with necks like the necks of Bactarian
camels which will carry the corpses and throw them where Allah
wishes. Thereafter, Allah will send rain and the earth will be
cleaned. (Nawwas-b-Samaan/Muslim)
3) Reign as a Khalifh according to the Quran and Sunnah and
elevate Islam.
This has been explained before that jesus will reign as khalifh
and not has prophet.
REASONS OR WISDOMS BEHIND HIS SECOND COMING
There are many reasons in the returning of Prophet Jesus to this
world or the second time. A few are listed below:
1) The Jews believe that they had killed Prophet Jesus , Allah
will send him before the end of time to prove that they had not
killed him and that he is alive. It is he who will kill the Jews
and their leader Dajjal. (Fathul - Bari)
2. Christians believe that he died for their sins and place
their salvation on the sins, and they have misconceptions that
he is son of God and he is God, he will come and clear their
misconceptions.
3) Some Ulama have said that Prophet Jesus found many virtues of
the followers of Prophet Muhammad and thus he prayed to Allah to
make him amongst the Ummah of Prophet Muhammad . Allah answered
his prayer and he will return for the second time as one of the
followers of Prophet Muhammad . (Ibne-Khathir)
4) It is the Law of Allah that anything that is created from the
Earth has to be buried in the Earth and not the Heavens. Thus he
will return to the Earth for the second time, kill the Dajjal,
live for a period of time and then he will die a natural death
and will be buried with the Prophet . (Ashratus-Sa'ah).
5) He will come to complete his mode of life such as marriage,
born and death such as the other prophets.
MARRIAGE OF PROPHET ISA (JESUS)
Many Ahadith specify that after his descension he will get
married and have children and remain on the earth for a period
of 19 years after his marriage. (Al-Fitan Nuaim bin Hammad
HIS DEATH
Prophet Jesus after his return to the Earth for a second time
will live for a period of time (some scholars have mentioned 40
years in the light of a hadith which can be found in Abu Daud)
and thereafter will die a natural death. The Muslims will
perform his Janaza (funeral prayers) and according to the hadith
narrated by Abdullah bin Amr in Mishkat he will be buried next
to the Holy Prophet
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Yusuf Abdwasii Date: February 25, 2018, 12:52 pm
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If no one praise the both presenters, I Hail you both.
you've tried a lot in presenting and putting up the articles as
per the topic given.
Now, it's time for rebuttal.
This is the interesting part of the debate.
The Christian apologist, I'm so sure you're already on the
rebuttal to you fellow debater's presentation.
Let's have your rebuttal and clarify things.
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Jesustotheworld Date: February 25, 2018, 1:11 pm
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In the first presentation, my opponent said only Prophet
Muhammad Gave details of Jesus Coming, that's not True. I gave
sufficient prove of various Scriptures of his coming.
Surah 43:61, Quran 3:81 said nothing about Jesus. In fact Surah
43:61 only disclose about the coming day of Judgement. But if
you decide to link Jesus to this verse, that's portraying him as
a Judge which also the Bible confirms.
You also quoted John 16:13 but left out verse 14 that explains
the work of this Spirit of Truth - That says "He will Glorify
me" Glorify who? Jesus. Jesus wasn't even talking about a man
talkless a Prophet coming after him. The "Spirit" of Truth not a
person of Truth. This alone explains that Jesus was talking
about the Holy Spirit And out a Prophet.
In the second Presentation, He said Jesus wasn't coming has a
Prophet but a Successor? But what does a Successor mean? A
successor according to the dictionary is someone who takes the
place of another. This literally mean Jesus is coming as a
Prophet, but my opponent disagrees, this is a contradiction.
A major fault I see in the part of my opponent is that most of
what he said today isn't in the Quran. If the Quran is the word
of Allah, why would he leave out an important issue as this.
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Yusuf Abdwasii Date: February 25, 2018, 1:20 pm
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Tooorrrr...
I knew it.
this will be the most interesting part of the debate... and it
is.
This rebuttal is even more than imagination.
what a rebuttal!!! Kudos. 🙌
Now, it's Muslim apologist's turn.
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Jesustotheworld Date: February 25, 2018, 2:29 pm
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If Jesus Was a Prophet according to Surah 19:30. Muhammad was
the messenger of Allah and the last Prophet. No Prophet will
come after him Surah 33:40. So if Jesus is indeed a Prophet as
claimed by Surah 19:30, then he isn't coming back, since
Muhammad is the last(Final) Prophet of Allah Surah 33:40. But if
Jesus comes back or is coming back, then he isn't a Prophet, he
is more than a Prophet since he will come after Muhammad.
Have a great night.
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Captshittu Date: February 25, 2018, 2:36 pm
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[font=arial]REBUTTAL[/font]
I give thanks to Allah the beneficent the merciful, for making
me a Muslim.
There is nothing much to refute from my co-debater's
presentation but that little need well explanation bcus it is
something that can make someone to enter hell if he or she die
with that, which is that he was attributting what Jesus didn't
claim to JESUS that Jesus is God I challenge my co-debater to
give me a single verse that Jesus himself says I am God, or
worship me, and he said son of man which Jesus used to call
himself means divinity but the same Bible says in Number 23:19
that God is not son of man, despite the fact that Jesus think
that he claimed to be god which is not so just bcus Jesus used
to speak in parable as he mentioned in Mathew 13:13. The reason
for this title is because Jesus' Kingdom is on Earth and to rule
the earth, and to inherit the earth (he and the believers are
the heirs who will inherit the earth). His reign, power and
rule are limited. He is a creation of GOD Almighty, and not the
Creator of the Universe. Yet, this "Son of Man" title proves
trinity is a lie:
and if we consider a verse were Jews thought so in their mind
but Jesus knew their mind. Matthew 9:3-4(CEV)
3 Some teachers of the Law of Moses said to themselves, “Jesus
must think he is God!”
4 But Jesus knew what was in their minds, and he said, “Why are
you thinking such evil things? which means what they were saying
is a great sin that's why Allah says in Quran 5:72 “Certainly
they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of
Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah,
my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with
Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode
is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.”
Read more reasons why Jesus can never be God
HTML https://knowtheway.createaforum.com/muslim-articles/req/msg230/#new
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Yusuf Abdwasii Date: February 25, 2018, 2:40 pm
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May God bestow his knowledge on everyone of us.
we won't be able to continue this night, let's call it a day and
continue tomorrow.
we'll start where we stop.
may God spare our lives.
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