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DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY
By: Captshittu Date: February 21, 2018, 4:54 pm
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[font=comic sans ms]DEBATE ANNOUCEMENT BETWEEN MALLAM SHITTU AND
EVANG. TOLUWANI[/font]
This is to inform us that there shall be Interfaith debate
between a Christian and a Muslim.
Debate Topic:
DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY
Date:
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MALLAM SHITTU (MUSLIM)
EVANG. TOLUWANI (CHRISTIAN)
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Yusuf Abdwasii Date: February 25, 2018, 11:12 am
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Peace be upon you all.
The time is now, it started just now.
what????
it's the debate.
I as the Moderator of today's debate welcome the both debaters
and the audience to this Christian-Muslim dialogue.
Now, let's have the welcome address from the both debaters.
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Yusuf Abdwasii Date: February 25, 2018, 11:15 am
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Let the Christian apologist address the house.
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Jesustotheworld Date: February 25, 2018, 11:16 am
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Mathew 28:18-20
> Jesus came and told his disciples "I have been given all
authority in Heaven and on Earth. Therefore, go and make
disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the
Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Teach these new
disciples to obey all the commands I have given you and be sure
of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.
This passage was Jesus' last remark and instruction to his
disciples before going to Heaven and the first sentence tells us
or gives us a hint of what his mission is if he comes back. Good
evening to everyone, my mission this evening is not to Argue
about Jesus' return but to tell you that he will return. Thank
you and have a great evening.
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Yusuf Abdwasii Date: February 25, 2018, 11:21 am
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Since the Christian apologist has given his address, now let's
have the Muslim's debater address to the public.
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Captshittu Date: February 25, 2018, 11:28 am
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[font=arial]OPENING REMARK[/font]
All praises is due to Allah, We praise Him, ask him, and seek
his forgiveness. We seek refuge in Allah from evils of ourselves
and mischiefs of our deeds. Whomsoever Allah guides, cannot be
misguided. Peace and blessings be upon the Final Messenger
Muhammed , on his family and his noble companions, and all his
ummah Ameen
And I greet everybody with the best greeting, the greeting of
Adam, and all prophets which is Peace and blessing of Allah be
upon you.
It is a great honor and pleasure for me (My name is Shittu a.k.a
Capt.Shittu) to accept this debate to talk on a topic that is
important in the life of every believer to know and believe
which is DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS ACCORDING TO
ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY.
Islam is the only Non-Christian faith that it is part of their
faith to believe in Jesus Christ, we believe him, we love him,
we cherish him, we follow him because he the last prophet that
prophecy abt prophet Muhammad (peace be upon them).
Islam teaches us (Muslims) to believe the second coming of Jesus
as a sign of end time as Allah says in Qur'an 43:61, but the
description was explained by prophet Muhammad because Jesus said
in John 16:12-13 “I still have many things to say to you but
they would be too much for you to bear now. However, when the
Spirit of truth comes he will lead you to the complete truth,
since he will not be speaking of his own accord, but will say
only what he has been told; and he will reveal to you the things
to come”. However certain events are going to take place prior
to the coming of the final hour. All the Prophets informed their
people of the signs of the final hour. Our Prophet Muhammed
being the last and the seal of Prophets, knowing that Doomsday
is to come upon this very ummah, explained clearly and in
considerable detail the signs of the final hour to the extent
that sometimes he would lecture his companions all day on this
subject. There is no source that can explain the description of
second coming of Jesus as prophet Muhammad explained. Inshaalahu
we are going to explain the signs to see before Jesus will come,
how Jesus will come, his mission to do, his nature (either
Angel, Man or God) etc.
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Yusuf Abdwasii Date: February 25, 2018, 11:39 am
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May God be pleased with you both.
Since we have remark from both sides, the debate is now on
fully.
Let's have the Christian apologist presentation to the topic
given.
No insult or abusive word, please.
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Jesustotheworld Date: February 25, 2018, 11:45 am
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There are numerous chapters in the Gospels that explains the
return of Jesus, even a whole Chapter is given to this in the
Gospel according to Mathew ; Mathew 24:1-51, but because I won't
be able to quote the whole Chapter, I will encourage everyone to
check it. From this chapter I will bring out some important
verses that shows Jesus speaking by himself of his return ;
Mathew 24:27-
For just as the lightning flashes from the east and shines and
is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man
be.
Mathew 24:30
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then
all the tribes of the earth will mourn and beat their breasts
and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of Man coming
on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in
brilliancy and splendor].
Mathew 24:37, Mathew 24:42
The "Son of Man" is a title Jesus used for Himself and this
title alone depict him as divine( Some people have tried to deny
the Deity of Jesus Because of this title, but I want to explain
to everyone that this title alone was enough prove for the
scribes and pharisee to acuse Jesus of blasphemy) . The
Religious leaders understand from the old testament what the
"Son of Man" means, Daniel 17:3, The use of son of Man by Jesus
was a representation of himself as God. The Religious leaders
didn't want to know if Jesus said "I am God" but the mere fact
that he used a representation of God in the old testament was
enough prove to condemn him of blasphemy, See Mathew 26:64, John
10:30-33.
- The Bible is whole, the old testament and new testament are
one. The only difference is that they revealed the covenant God
had with man in different times, that's why you will see in the
new testament some verses being quoted directly from what God
previously revealed in the old testament. So you can't just
quote a particular verse, you need other verses to give more
meaning and understanding to it. In the Bible, scriptural verses
are used to explain scriptural verses, that was why Jesus said
By two or more witness, you Truth will be established Mathew
18:16. Because of this I will give other Scriptural citation of
Jesus Return in the Bible, from other writer of the Gospels.
=> Luke 17:22,28-30, Luke 21:34-36, John 14:1-3, John 21:22-23,
Mark 13:26( The whole of => Mark 13, Jesus spoke of his return)
, Mark 8:38.
=> Mathew 25:14-30, The famous parable of Jesus Was also
speaking of his return to Judge his servants. We can also see
the return of Jesus In other books apart from the Gospels.
=> Acts 1:11 explains how he will return just as Jesus as said.
Acts 3:19-21, James the brother of Jesus Also in James 5:7-9.
Peter, one of Jesus' closest disciple also testifies of his
return in 1Peter 1:13, 1Peter 4:13 and John in 1John3:2, 1John
2:28, Revelation 1:4-8, Revelation 3-11.
Finally, rarely will you see any book in the New Testament that
doesn't talk about Christ's Return (That's how important his
return is), and this witnesses are more than what we need that
he will come back.
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Yusuf Abdwasii Date: February 25, 2018, 11:52 am
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Hmmm.... Had it been I didn't have access to be here, it would
have been a great loss.
But thank God.
I'm even short of word.
The presentation is quite deep.
well.... let the Muslim apologist give us his presentation and
clarify our doubt on the topic.
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Re: DESCRIPTION OF SECOND COMING OF JESUS IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN
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By: Captshittu Date: February 25, 2018, 12:02 pm
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[font=arial]FIRST PRESENTATION
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I give thanks to Allah for making us Muslims. We are going to
know the signs before prophet Isa (Jesus) will come from this
first presentation.
Both Islam and Christianity expect the return of Jesus at the
end of times, and both expect trials and tribulations to occur
at the time. Many of the themes of these trials are similar,
but they are also very different in detail and definition. Both
religions expect the nation of believers to be the final
victors, which Muslim knows that it refers to those who
believe in the pure monotheism entailed in submission to the One
and Only True God, because that's what he believed and taught
when he was in this world (Mark 12:29, John 17:3, Q5:72).
The return of Jesus is preceded in both religions by signs,
again similar in general description, but subtly different in
detail. there are some signs that we will see before descend of
Jesus as it is mentioned by prophet Muhammad, it can be divided
into two groups.
Minor signs
Minor signs are events of normal nature prophesised by our
Prophet Muhammed to take place before Qiyamah like the
consumption of alcohol , lifting of knowledge and prevalence of
ignorance and immorality and signs of this nature. The majority
of the minor signs have appeared while some are occurring and
some will appear with major signs.
Major signs
Major signs ae events of extraordinary nature prophesied by our
Prophet to take place before Qiyamah like all the events
mentioned in the following hadith narrated by Hudhaifa ibn Usayd
that the Prophet said, 'The last hour will not arrive till you
have seen ten signs. He then mentioned the Smoke, Dajjal
(Antichrist), Beast, Rising of the Sun from the place of it's
setting, the Descent of Isa, Ya'juj Ma'juj, Three Landslides,
one in the East , one in the West and one in the Arabian
Peninsula after that a Fire would spread from Yemen and drive
the people to their place of gathering.' (Muslim)
And prophet Muhammad make it known that a man will come titled
Imam Mahdi before Jesus after that Dajjal (Antichrist) will
come, Jesus will now arrive during this time.
ARRIVAL OF IMAM MAHDI
The Coming of Imaam Mahdi is one of the signs of last hour
before Jesus, Abdullah-bin-Masood has reported that the Prophet
said, "The world will not pass away before the Arabs are ruled
by a man (referring to Mahdi) of my family whose name will be
the same as mine." (Abu Daud)
However, many people in the past falsely claimed to be Imaam
Mahdi, But he is yet to come.
He will be from the progeny of the Prophet and descendent of
Fatimah (R.A). His name will be Muhammad or Ahmad and his
father's name will be Abdullah. He will resemble the Prophet in
character. He will have a shiny forehead and a high bridge nose.
He is a well built youth of average height and a handsome face,
his hair reaches his shoulders and the light of his face is
contrasted by the darkness of his hair and beard." He will be
slow of speech (a slight stutter) and when he is delayed, he
will strike his left thigh with his right hand. He will appear
from the east.
He will reign as kaliph for seven years and spend the eight
preparing to fight the Dajjal and spend the ninth with Prophet
Isa (Jesus) He will thereafter die, Prophet Jesus will read his
funeral prayer and bury him.
ARRIVAL OF DAJJAL (ANTICHRIST)
The emergence of the Dajjal is the most important sign as his
trial and fitna will be the biggest ever seen on the Face of the
earth and even those firm in faith will be shaken.
The Messenger of Allah said, "Between the creation of Prophet
Adam and the coming of the last hour, their will arise no matter
more serious than the Dajjal." (Imran-b-Hussain/ Muslim)
Due to the severity of this turmoil, every Prophet from the
first to the last warned and informed his people about, the
Dajjal and his turmoil. (Anas / Bukhari, Muslim)
Imaam Mahdi will come before the Dajjal and the Dajjal will
appear in the later parts of Imaam Mahdi's reign.
Dajjal (Antichrist) will be born by birth to this world and his
father will be tall and thin and his nose will be pointed like a
beak while his mother will be fat with two long hands. They will
both remain thirty years without a child. After thirty years a
one eyed son with biting teeth and of little benefit will be
born to them whose heart will remain awake while his eyes will
sleep. (Abu-Bakara-Tirmidhi)
The Dajjal (Antichrist) is a young fat man, wheatish in
complexion with a broad chest and biting teeth, his head is
covered with curly hair with the letters "Ka' "Fa" "Ra''
(meaning disbelieve) written between his eyes which every
believer will be able to clearly see and read literate or
illiterate, he has a shining forehead and defect in both eyes.
His left eye has a swelling pupil while he is blind from the
right. He has a brisk walk and no children.
He will be accompanied by Devils and Jewish magicians, he will
first claim Prophethood and then God hood. Travelling as fast as
those clouds which are driven by the winds he will travel to
east and west entering every country, carrying out murders,
pillage, devastation and performing unusual feats wherever he
goes.
Two angels resembling two Prophets, one on either side will
accompany him. This will be to test mankind. Hence Dajjal will
ask, "Am I not your lord? Do I not give life and death?" One of
the angels will reply, "You are a liar." However nobody will be
able to hear this reply besides the other angel. The second
angel addressing the first angel will say, "You are speaking the
truth." Every body will hear what this second angel said and
will think that an angel is testifying that the Dajjal is Allah
though in reality this second angel was addressing the first and
agreeing with his reply that you are speaking the truth that the
Dajjal is certainly a liar. (Narrated by Safeena-Musnad Ahrnad)
He will come to a Bedouin whose parents have passed away and
will say to him, "Will you believe that I am your Lord if I
bring your parents back to life." He will reply, "Yes." The
devils that are accompanying him will take the form of his
parents and after resembling his parents will say to him, "Oh
child believe in him and follow him, he is your Lord.' The
Bedouin will be deceived and forced into believing him. (Abu
Umamah/Ibne Majah)
He will have water and fire with him. As for that which the
people will see as water, in reality will be fire, which will
burn and as for that which people will see as fire, in reality
will be cold, sweet water. The Prophet's advice is: "Whoever
meets the Dajjal and sees the water and the fire, he should fall
in the fire and not the water, as the fire in reality is water
and the water in reality is fire.'' (Hudaifah/Mishkat)
Believers in Allah will face hardship while The believers in
Dajjal will temporarily rejoice, He will cause many mischief.
The recitation of Surah Kahf is a safe guard from the Dajjal's
turmoil, And Seeking refuge in Allah and protection from
Dajjal's fitna especially in Salah, Inshallah will be protected,
as mentioned by prophet Muhammad.
One should try to migrate to Makkah or Madinah, as he will not
be able to enter these two holy cities. Thus one will be
protected from his fitna. One should seek Islamic knowledge
especially knowledge of Allah's attributes. By possessing
knowledge of Allah's attributes one will not be misled by the
Dajjal. This knowledge teaches that Allah is perfect, can't be
seen, and not in need of anything while the Dajjal is imperfect,
can be seen by both believers and non-believers and in need of
food and water.
RETURN OR ARRIVAL OF PROPHET ISA (JESUS)
Due to the fact that the Jews had become deaf and blind to the
words of God and deviated from the teachings of Moses and the
right path, Allah honoured Jesus with Prophethood and sent him
as a messenger to the children of Israel. Bearing all hardships
Prophet Jesus spent all day and night conveying the message of
Allah. Unfortunately, in spite of his tremendous effort the
children of Israel did not respond and accept the message.
Seeing that the poor and weak were becoming inclined towards him
and fearing they would lose their leadership the Jews secretly
tried to kill him. However Allah saved Prophet Jesus from their
wicked scheme and gave him greater dignity by raising him alive
to the heavens.
Allah says in the Quran, "They did not kill him and nor did they
crucify him but the resemblance of him (Jesus ) was put over
another man and those who differ there in, are in doubt. They
have no certain knowledge. They are following nothing but
conjecture for surely they did not kill him but Allah raised him
up to him." (Surah Nisa Qur'an 4:157)
Allah says in the Quran "When Allah says, Jesus; I will take
thee to me and I will purify thee of the unbelievers" (Surah
A'li-Imran)
These verses clearly prove that the Jews did not kill Prophet
Jesus and that he was raised alive to the heavens. It is due to
verses like those mentioned above and many authentic Ahadith we
Muslims believe that Prophet Jesus
is alive in heaven at this moment in time.
Allah says, "There is not a single section of the people of the
book (Jews and Christians) that will certainly believe in Jesus
before his death and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a
witness against them." (Surah Nisa) This verse clearly indicates
that before the demise of Prophet Jesus everyone from the people
of the book will believe in him.
Prophet Jesus will descend to the white Minaret
(Nawwas-b-Samaan/Muslim) in the east of Damascus, wearing two
garments dyed with saffron, placing his hands on the wings of
two angels.
All those that are present will recognise him, as he will look
exactly like the description of the Prophet . Resembling the
Sahabi Urwa bin Masood (Abu- Huraira/ Muslim) the colour of his
skin will be reddish white (Ibne Abbas/ Bukhari), he will be
well built and his hair will be soft and reach his ears. When he
lowers his head, beads of perspiration will fall from it and
when he raises his head, beads like pearls will scatter from it.
(Nawwas-b-Samaan/Muslim).
Every Kaafir who smells his sweet breath will die and his breath
will reach as far as he can see. He will move to Makkah before
morning On seeing prophet Jesus Imaam Mahdi will take a couple
of steps backwards so Prophet Jesus can lead the prayer however
Prophet Jesus will place his hands on the Imaam's shoulder and
will say, ''Go forward and lead the prayer as the Iqamah was
made for you'' thus Imaam Mahdi will lead the prayer. (Abu
Umamah/ Ibne-Majah). He will pray behind Imam Mahdi because
Allah used that to honour prophet Muhammad that Imam Mahdi is
the follower of prophet Muhammad and if he is alive Jesus have
to prayer behind him.
WATCH OUT FOR SECOND PRESENTATION
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