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Re: Questio about the rules of this server
DIR By: guest215
Date: September 2, 2015, 4:16 pm
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No one can place a land claim within a certain radius of yours.
Friends can place blocks, just not the land claim block within
the 41x41. The no-land claim radius extends further.
As far as land claim protection while offline not working my
question would be... has anyone tried it recently? "Never has"
is a bold statement; when I have raided bases it has slowed me
down and the last base I broke into was 11.x. Now to be fair, I
didn't do the math on 5x or 25x (which it was at the time). I
suppose I'll have to test it one someone's base here soon as I
have long grown weary of speculation.
All settings should be visible on the right hand side when you
select the server once after the main menu of 7DTD.
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Re: Questio about the rules of this server
DIR By: Pfuath
Date: September 2, 2015, 4:59 pm
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You're right, saying 'never has' might be a stretch, but I'm not
basing that on nothing. There was a post by one of the devs
answering a question a year or so ago that said it wasn't
working, and no update since then.
HTML https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?17980-Land-Claim-Offline-Durability-Setting
Many others have complained about this problem and often blamed
hackers for sidestepping the issue, where they set a really high
offline protection and then were surprised when their bases were
destroyed offline. I think this has masked the issue a bit
because whenever someone complains about the offline land claim
not working people just assume it's hackers, and not a
not-fully-implemented feature.
It isn't that there is no protection when offline, but rather
that the server always uses the 'online' value. Indeed land
claims slow you down, I can also attest to that as of 12.x (but
not the most recent patch for sure). Offline values were
definitely not working when my raid was rudely interrupted a
wipe or two ago.
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Re: Questio about the rules of this server
DIR By: guest215
Date: September 2, 2015, 5:02 pm
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I'll be testing that using my special forensics land-claim
evaluation tool.
Thanks for bringing up the questions and thanks to Pfuath for
illuminating the issue, his information was spot-on.
Thanks to BarbieGirl for the in-game time.
I went online, asked BarbieGirl to place stone.
I used a flawless pickax...took 21 swings.
I asked her to log off and repaired the pickax.
It took 21 swings.
So yes it appears it is still pulling the online modifier, so I
changed it to 50x online just now.
Cheers!
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Re: Questio about the rules of this server
DIR By: Devastation22
Date: September 3, 2015, 9:31 am
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--- Quote from: h0tr0d link ---
>
> I'll be testing that using my special forensics land-claim
evaluation tool.
>
> Thanks for bringing up the questions and thanks to Pfuath for
illuminating the issue, his information was spot-on.
>
> Thanks to BarbieGirl for the in-game time.
>
> I went online, asked BarbieGirl to place stone.
>
> I used a flawless pickax...took 21 swings.
> I asked her to log off and repaired the pickax.
> It took 21 swings.
>
> So yes it appears it is still pulling the online modifier, so
I changed it to 50x online just now.
>
> Cheers!
>
--- End Quote ---
H0tr0d not to say that your tests were not valid, I just have
one question;
"How long did you wait for her to be logged off?"
Please note I don't know if that would be an issue or not
however I do know that in some games(don't ask me which ones)
they have a timer that is associated with when a person logges
off.
Basically it keeps people from realizing they are being attacked
/ invaded and quick logging off to jack up protection.
Again this may not be in any of the code for the protection
blocks, however to be through you may want to test that also.
#Post#: 6293--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questio about the rules of this server
DIR By: guest215
Date: September 3, 2015, 2:00 pm
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You can appeal the test results to Judge Berman.
On the matter of transparent investigatory methodology we
cooperated with various "independent" organizations not limited
to, but including: R.I.P, O.B.E.-4 (commonly known as O.B.E.Y.),
and team Vote h0tr0d 2016 -- they put the "invest" in
"investigation.
We used the highest-quality, most technologically-advanced tools
known to virtual humankind in what could arguably be considered
the most challenging and devastating test this planet has ever
faced. All of these instruments underwent a rigorous inspection
by the "Hanes 12" inspector, as well as Mikey from the Life®™
cereal commercials.
We would ask that the fairness of the process be considered, and
that several people placed their lives at risk for the benefit
of all. We would also ask all life be considered because we
share this planet with all the other species, and focusing on
our own wishes in some sense of myopic misanthropy is misguided
at best.
With latency as a consideration we would argue that if someone
"logged off" in a rush to avoid being attacked they are pansies
and deserve all they get. Additionally we would like to cite
exhibit A where if you follow this thread you would see that it
was established that the online protection modifier was applied
as the offline modifier as well. To wit; if the online modifier
is 50x it would also be 50x offline, therefore no change in
protection regardless of a player being online/offline or having
hastily-logged online/offline would occur.
We thank you for your cooperation in this matter and cite
Article 46 whereas h0tr0d has the right to rule arbitrarily in
any matter concerning the integrity of the game as it relates to
Ground Zero Gaming.
Vote h0tr0d 2016 -- we never start a land war in Asia.
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Re: Question about the rules of this server
DIR By: KaRnAgE
Date: September 3, 2015, 3:27 pm
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i'm confused was this a response to the question or a campaign
speech Admin h0tr0d from the community of GZ seed 8 CCCP Test
:) ;)
#Post#: 6295--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questio about the rules of this server
DIR By: guest215
Date: September 3, 2015, 7:54 pm
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Yes
HTML http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/Sports/2015-09-03-nfl-brady-decision.pdf
#Post#: 6299--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questio about the rules of this server
DIR By: KaRnAgE
Date: September 4, 2015, 2:00 am
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ty Admin for your response this really clears up you previous
statements and may i add
HTML http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/cochranclose.html
#Post#: 6301--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questio about the rules of this server
DIR By: guest215
Date: September 4, 2015, 4:57 am
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--- Quote ---
> New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady's four-game
suspension was nullified by federal judge Richard Berman in a
ruling announced Thursday.
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> On May II, 2015, Vincent sent a (separate) "disciplinary
decision" letter to Brady, stating:
> "The Commissioner has authorized me to inform you of the
discipline that, pursuant to his
> authority under Article 46 of the CBA [Collective Bargaining
Agreement], has been imposed on
> you for your role in the use of under-inflated footballs by
the Patriots in this year's AFC
> Championship Game. This activity represents a violation of
longstanding playing rules
--- End Quote ---
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Re: Questio about the rules of this server
DIR By: Devastation22
Date: September 4, 2015, 8:23 am
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--- Quote from: h0tr0d link ---
>
> You can appeal the test results to Judge Berman.
>
> On the matter of transparent investigatory methodology we
cooperated with various "independent" organizations not limited
to, but including: R.I.P, O.B.E.-4 (commonly known as O.B.E.Y.),
and team Vote h0tr0d 2016 -- they put the "invest" in
"investigation.
>
> We used the highest-quality, most technologically-advanced
tools known to virtual humankind in what could arguably be
considered the most challenging and devastating test this planet
has ever faced. All of these instruments underwent a rigorous
inspection by the "Hanes 12" inspector, as well as Mikey from
the Life®™ cereal commercials.
>
> We would ask that the fairness of the process be considered,
and that several people placed their lives at risk for the
benefit of all. We would also ask all life be considered because
we share this planet with all the other species, and focusing on
our own wishes in some sense of myopic misanthropy is misguided
at best.
>
> With latency as a consideration we would argue that if someone
"logged off" in a rush to avoid being attacked they are pansies
and deserve all they get. Additionally we would like to cite
exhibit A where if you follow this thread you would see that it
was established that the online protection modifier was applied
as the offline modifier as well. To wit; if the online modifier
is 50x it would also be 50x offline, therefore no change in
protection regardless of a player being online/offline or having
hastily-logged online/offline would occur.
>
> We thank you for your cooperation in this matter and cite
Article 46 whereas h0tr0d has the right to rule arbitrarily in
any matter concerning the integrity of the game as it relates to
Ground Zero Gaming.
>
> Vote h0tr0d 2016 -- we never start a land war in Asia.
>
--- End Quote ---
Sir, I applaud your vigorous testing methods and was not
implying that you were slacking in your efforts.
I would agree that anyone "War logging" are pansies however I
was only trying to verify that the possibility of code existed
to counteract war logging.
Yes we did note the increase to the protection again my original
post was more about examining all of the data from your original
test... If in fact the code of the game takes into account war
logging and does not apply the "Off line" protection for a
duration after someone logs then it could be working as intended
and therefore the increase to the on line setting may not be
needed.
Please don't take my inquiries as attacks on your character or
methodology of testing, I was merely trying to ensure all data
of the tests were looked at.
As for voting for H0tr0d in 2015, What is your platform?? Xbow
plans for all?? if so count my vote!
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