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       #Post#: 6184--------------------------------------------------
       On the topic of "thieves" and land claims.
   DIR By: guest215
       Date: August 30, 2015, 12:20 am
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       The issue came up the other day and I will address it here for
       all to see.
       First, taking land claims is legal if the land claim is:
       1) in a PvP area.
       2) illegally placed in a PvE area (like a Hardware store or gas
       station).  I would rather you let me know in such cases so I can
       identify the culprit and talk to them. They may be unfamiliar
       with the rule, or merely forgot. This way we avoid
       misunderstandings, which can result in people potentially having
       hurt/bad feelings toward another.
       3) there could also be the case that someone places a land claim
       (I don't know why they would do this) out in the middle of the
       road or some place in the PvE area and leave it to expire. In
       this case, feel free to take it.
       It is not ok to take one if:
       It is in a PVE area base. (other than stores they are not
       allowed to claim in the PvE area such as hardware/gun stores
       etc.) This includes expired land claims--if it is an obvious
       player-used structure, even if it is a hole in the ground with
       chests or merely a sleeping bag and foundation-- leave it alone.
       They may come back.
       If they lose one in a droppedbackpack, it is fair game.
       Generally I find on this server someone won't take it, sometimes
       they may. Even if you are in the PvE area it is not illegal to
       take it. If they didn't kill you illegally, it is your
       responsibility to keep it off your toolbelt, and your
       responsibility to get back to your backpack. It may a bit
       discourteous if they are aware it is yours, but it does not
       justify a foul-mouth tirade targeting them.
       Suppose you are with someone in a town--not friends--but both
       PvE. If one dies with a land claim on their toolbelt, I would
       expect the other player to do the right thing and:
       1) leave it alone
       2) make a chest for that player and leave their stuff inside
       3) place their stuff in a loot container nearby
       4) take it to them
       5) maybe guard it for them
       This includes people new to the game/server who don't know about
       the toolbelt. I could say it is their responsibility to read the
       server settings first, but I show leniency with players new to
       the game and new to the server--provided they have a good
       attitude.
       The above are the actions I expect on the PvE side from a
       respectful and mature community.
       But let me be clear. Even if they loot your backpack they are
       not cheating scumbags who deserve to die, or whatever nasty
       remark someone comes up with in frustration. They may in fact be
       someone who is not familiar with the dynamic here, but also
       could someone who is better off not playing here if their first
       instinct is to snatch it up. I consider looting of other
       players' backpacks in such a scenario a breach of the spirit of
       our rules in the aforementioned case because that is not our
       type of player but I will not vilify nor will I allow that
       player to be vilified for it.
       However, if someone is running through the forest and sees a
       backpack...and they ask:
       --- Quote ---
       > "Did anyone on the PvE side die at location"
       --- End Quote ---
       ...and get no response, then it is fair game.
       The reason I consider it fair game at that point could be one of
       a few reasons:
       1)The player who died may not log on again, they "ragequit".
       2)Maybe they died again, and lost that backpack icon.
       3)Who knows
       I would ask that if you die, get to your backpack or be aware if
       someone finds it. If the icon disappears on your
       backpack-retrieval, speak up. More likely than not the person
       will meet you halfway as that is the nature of our community. If
       someone is the type of player who is looting PvE backpacks,
       taking land claims, and then argues rules with me, they may not
       be suited to play here. I want players who abide by the spirit
       as well as the letter of the law.
       PvE players: Show some respect and courtesy to PvP players as
       well. Much is made about players respecting other players'
       play-styles...this cuts both ways.
       1) If a PvP player kills you within a city or other PvP area,
       tough cookies.
       2) If they loot your backpack in that PvP area, tough cookies.
       3) If they raid your base that is in a PvP area and take your
       land claim during the raid, tough cookies.
       4) If they take loot during that raid, tough cookies.
       Show some class and remember what we mean by wanting a mature
       and respectful community. This includes good sportsmanship. If
       someone "steals" your stuff (this word came up) then yes, they
       are a thief. And while intent can be hard to convey it text more
       oft than not, be mindful. There is a big difference between a
       good-natured remark and a spiteful one which can look the same.
       For example h0tr0d finds someone got his backpack after he died
       (like Deathmate did). I can say:
       --- Quote ---
       > "You took my stuff! I'll get you you bastard! *shakes fist in
       the air*"
       --- End Quote ---
       which I hope implies a sort of role-playing remark in a
       good-natured akin to an
       --- Quote ---
       > argh! I'll get you back you dirty rotten scoundrel!"
       --- End Quote ---
       or....
       --- Quote ---
       > "Deathmate you thief!"
       --- End Quote ---
       which can be taken different ways, couldn't it?
       The reason it could be taken in different ways is because the
       use of the word thief depends upon whether they actually "stole"
       something. A thief, by definition, is someone who steals
       another's property...usually by stealth. Stealing is defined as
       illegally taking that property. By calling him a thief I am
       saying he did something illegal.
       This is why I ask for care with words. If someone said
       --- Quote ---
       > "h0tr0d you thief!"
       --- End Quote ---
       I could take it one of two ways. Either they are implying I did
       something illicit, or it is feigned rage in a good-natured way.
       This then gets into the whole adding smiley faces on the ends of
       sentences; otherwise we are left to discern the true intent
       through our rapport and/or previous experiences with the other
       player thereby we know where the speaker is "coming from". The
       point is to be courteous by choosing the appropriate words and
       tone. Emotional intelligence helps.
       Then there is the more extreme...
       --- Quote ---
       > "You took my stuff you asshole! This is supposed to be a
       friendly server!"
       --- End Quote ---
       While the latter may be extreme, it illustrates my point.
       No matter how frustrated you get, or disappointed, mature people
       handle it the right way. We all have had moments where we are
       frustrated and yell at the monitor and we say that
       
       --- Quote ---
       > "the game cheats"
       --- End Quote ---
       or
       --- Quote ---
       > "that is bullshit"
       --- End Quote ---
       , or any number of things. If someone kills us in a duel, we may
       cry
       --- Quote ---
       > "lag!"
       --- End Quote ---
       or
       --- Quote ---
       > "bullshit I hit you!"
       --- End Quote ---
       and it is usually because we are frustrated and we then lash
       out as a result of that frustration.
       I would ask you to take a deep breath and remember it's a game.
       A game in Alpha. On a server where we have no real incidents of
       people being pricks. Usually it is just some misunderstanding or
       people that are frustrated who speak (type) before calming down
       and sometimes that frustration may be a result of something
       outside of the game.
       Please think and be mindful. Because while I will not tolerate
       someone violating a PvE player's base, camping another player's
       bag, or any number of malicious things, I will also not tolerate
       someone implying or accusing someone of perfidy merely because
       you are frustrated. You are adults, so ultimately you make your
       own decisions and do what you feel you must, but I have found
       better outcomes come with taking a moment and thinking things
       through You could also come to me for assistance...in a
       non-hostile manner. But understand your words are your
       responsibility just as your actions are, and with both come
       consequences.
       More often than not I can find the answer and if you handle it
       maturely, help you out. Someone who screams
       --- Quote ---
       > "hacks"
       --- End Quote ---
       and
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       > "cheats"or "bullshit"
       --- End Quote ---
       will not receive sympathy from me; that is immature behavior.
       Someone who says
       --- Quote ---
       > "damn someone raided me and took my stuff, I forgot I was in a
       PvP area"
       --- End Quote ---
       is more likely to receive another land claim from me as a token
       of thanks for being a good sport.
       This thread was not meant to point fingers at any one person in
       particular, so please don't get offended. Rather it is to
       address and *nip in the bud*, as it were, comments which I have
       seen cause issues in the past. So don't respond to this thread
       defensively. Just remember...
       Respect goes both ways...PvE and PvP. You are all part of the
       same community.
       #Post#: 6186--------------------------------------------------
       Re: On the topic of "thieves" and land claims.
   DIR By: KaRnAgE
       Date: August 30, 2015, 1:09 am
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       @#%$% Y*& ^&((())(*& (&%%$#%$ JK lol :) ;)
       #Post#: 6187--------------------------------------------------
       Re: On the topic of "thieves" and land claims.
   DIR By: guest215
       Date: August 30, 2015, 1:11 am
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       well played sir, well played.
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