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       #Post#: 9543--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Raiding Rules Clarification! (PvP vs PvE)
   DIR By: guest215
       Date: October 12, 2016, 12:07 pm
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       You cannot have a base in the north if you raid. You cannot use
       anyone else to store them for you.
       If I find someone taking advantage or trying to find a a
       loophole they will be banned as well as their accomplice.
       #Post#: 9545--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Raiding Rules Clarification! (PvP vs PvE)
   DIR By: Madman
       Date: October 12, 2016, 12:14 pm
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       --- Quote from: TaylorMaid link ---
       >
       > I think you misunderstand me as well: ou said it unnecessary,
       I'm not sure what you were referring to because I'm pretty sure
       you still want me to move my base so I don't have one in the
       North and one in the South. Instead that will make 2 in the
       South. Then I'd be able to go on raids even though I'll probably
       choose not to and people can raid me, which they can feel free
       to IF THEY DARE. Which I assume is right. I'm not trying to make
       trouble, I was just trying to understand how it works.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Nobody thinks you are trying to make trouble. It sounds as
       though you now understand what the rules are. It's always better
       to ask if you are uncertain. Enjoy your gameplay!  ;D
       #Post#: 9546--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Raiding Rules Clarification! (PvP vs PvE)
   DIR By: Pfuath
       Date: October 12, 2016, 12:45 pm
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       Maybe Taylor has it figured out now but I'm a bit confused...
       Just asking for clarification now, as so far this seed I have
       only played in the north.
       If the purpose for not allowing players who raid in the South to
       have a base in the North is to prevent flow of materials from
       raided to unraidable territory, what is the purpose of not
       allowing players to have bases both North and South, if those
       players do not raid or intend to raid?
       The main legitimate reasons I could think of for this (other
       players may have other reasons) would be if a player wanted the
       risk of living and thriving in the south, but also wanted the
       opportunity to build a pve-style base for 7 day hordes or for
       purely cosmetic purposes in the North (whereas in the South such
       a base would probably be too vulnerable for most peoples'
       tastes).
       At the same time, my personal feeling (even if the rules differ
       on this, please clarify) is that I wouldn't feel good about
       roaming south and taking either fresh loot or toolbar loot of
       another player and then carrying that back to a safe base in the
       North, even if no PVP raiding took place.
       #Post#: 9547--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Raiding Rules Clarification! (PvP vs PvE)
   DIR By: Madman
       Date: October 12, 2016, 1:08 pm
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       --- Quote from: Pfuath link ---
       >
       > Maybe Taylor has it figured out now but I'm a bit confused...
       Just asking for clarification now, as so far this seed I have
       only played in the north.
       >
       >
       >
       > If the purpose for not allowing players who raid in the South
       to have a base in the North is to prevent flow of materials from
       raided to unraidable territory, what is the purpose of not
       allowing players to have bases both North and South, if those
       players do not raid or intend to raid?
       >
       > The main legitimate reasons I could think of for this (other
       players may have other reasons) would be if a player wanted the
       risk of living and thriving in the south, but also wanted the
       opportunity to build a pve-style base for 7 day hordes or for
       purely cosmetic purposes in the North (whereas in the South such
       a base would probably be too vulnerable for most peoples'
       tastes).
       >
       > At the same time, my personal feeling (even if the rules
       differ on this, please clarify) is that I wouldn't feel good
       about roaming south and taking either fresh loot or toolbar loot
       of another player and then carrying that back to a safe base in
       the North, even if no PVP raiding took place.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Honestly, as admins it is too difficult to moderate without this
       rule set. We tried it the other way in the past and had issues.
       If you decide mid-game that you want to switch from north to
       south or vice versa, you can always abandon your current base
       and set up another one in the new area. Just be sure to remove
       any claim stones prior to leaving your old base.
       #Post#: 9548--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Raiding Rules Clarification! (PvP vs PvE)
   DIR By: MidnightStranger
       Date: October 12, 2016, 1:20 pm
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       NORTH
       -No Kill other players
       -No Claim special POIs
       South
       -Kill anything you like
       -Build anything you like
       -Claim anything you like
       -Raid player bases (Must live in south)
       #Post#: 9549--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Raiding Rules Clarification! (PvP vs PvE)
   DIR By: Pfuath
       Date: October 12, 2016, 1:26 pm
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       Yes those parts of the rules are clear Midnight - the question
       was about multiple bases, which I think Madman has clarified the
       purpose of now - thank you.
       edit: to be exhaustively clear:
       NORTH
       -No Kill other players
       -No Claim special POIs
       -No building a base if you have a base in the South (unless you
       abandon that base)
       South
       -Kill anything you like
       -Build anything you like (unless you have a base in the North)
       -Claim anything you like (unless you have a base in the North)
       -Raid player bases (Must live in south)
       #Post#: 9550--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Raiding Rules Clarification! (PvP vs PvE)
   DIR By: Madman
       Date: October 12, 2016, 1:28 pm
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       --- Quote from: Pfuath link ---
       >
       > Yes those parts of the rules are clear Midnight - the question
       was about multiple bases, which I think Madman has clarified the
       purpose of now - thank you.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I think Midnight was just trying to make the point that due to
       less restrictions, having a base in the south might be more fun
       for some players.  ;)
       #Post#: 9551--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Raiding Rules Clarification! (PvP vs PvE)
   DIR By: Pfuath
       Date: October 12, 2016, 1:32 pm
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       Oh no doubt - I have typically played in the south on this
       server, this is my first real run in the north, wanted to get
       re-acquainted with all the changes since I last played a full
       game  :)
       #Post#: 9552--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Raiding Rules Clarification! (PvP vs PvE)
   DIR By: frankencow
       Date: October 12, 2016, 5:02 pm
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       --- Quote from: Madman link ---
       >
       > [quote author=MidnightStranger link=topic=572.msg9530#msg9530
       date=1476273278]
       > Anyone can kill others in the South no matter where you live.
       You can have a base in the North and then go south for a day
       looking to fight players. You can only raid if you live in the
       south though.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       You are 100% correct!  ;D
       [/quote]
       This is how I usually roll.  'Pinging' somebody's vault door or
       walls for three hours bores me, and I dislike losing gear
       because I went on a business trip for a week--so neither side of
       the raiding equation suites my playstyle.  So sometimes I'll
       nomad into the South and see if there are any players to hunt.
       Definitely puts the Northerner-going-south at a tactical
       disadvantage, but there is fun in that too.
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