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       #Post#: 2320--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Do we need to revisit the 30 day loot timer?
   DIR By: Spider
       Date: September 20, 2014, 9:31 am
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       So you are not short on supplies but would like more anyway?
       #Post#: 2321--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Do we need to revisit the 30 day loot timer?
   DIR By: Spider
       Date: September 20, 2014, 9:48 am
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       So what I’m hearing is you have all the resources and loot you
       need, you are not having trouble finding normal loot items, but
       you do not like it when someone else beats you to a safe or ammo
       box and would like every container you loot full of things you
       say you already have and do not need. You would also like to do
       this several times a day on the same container? So does that
       about cover what your asking for?
       #Post#: 2322--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Do we need to revisit the 30 day loot timer?
   DIR By: Aknot
       Date: September 20, 2014, 11:29 am
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       --- Quote from: Spider link ---
       >
       > So what I’m hearing is you have all the resources and loot you
       need, you are not having trouble finding normal loot items, but
       you do not like it when someone else beats you to a safe or ammo
       box and would like every container you loot full of things you
       say you already have and do not need. You would also like to do
       this several times a day on the same container? So does that
       about cover what your asking for?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Yeah all I can say is don't worry about it. Im through with your
       asinine attitude. Your reading comprehension is either that of a
       3rd grader or you are just an ass.
       Im not calling you an ass you just appear to be that or a three
       year old. I could be wrong and you are an adult that just likes
       to instigate things.
       You have a super day. I will no longer address you here or in
       game.
       #Post#: 2323--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Do we need to revisit the 30 day loot timer?
   DIR By: Madman
       Date: September 20, 2014, 1:56 pm
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       Let me first say that I would appreciate it if you (Spider)
       would no longer interact with HR and Aknot on the forums. I
       don't mind you making an opinion on the topics but please do not
       go further than that.
       I am not saying you are trying to be a dick on purpose but if I
       am to be honest, I will have to say that some of your comments
       come across as being argumentative at best. It does feel
       condescending  and antagonistic at times. I don't believe that
       is who you are as I have always enjoyed my interaction with you
       and I think you are a very nice person.
       As for the settings, I agree that there needs to be some fine
       tuning needed to compensate for the bugs.
       Thanks guys.
       #Post#: 2324--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Do we need to revisit the 30 day loot timer?
   DIR By: h0tr0d
       Date: September 20, 2014, 2:59 pm
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       Pardon me, Aknot you said it well, but I will try to
       over-explain things.
       TL;DR
       It isn't that we are short, I am trying to get better gameplay
       and interaction on the server for all.
       Specifically I want more player vs player interaction, and I
       feel it is being hurt by not having loot respawn.
       I believe (and this is a belief) that when the server resets to
       address memory leaks or lag issues (maybe related I'm a dork),
       it affects the cycle. I know it shouldn't but it goes back to
       day 29 or such, and when I check things due to respawn, they
       haven't.
       E.g., I loot a city on day 28, after an update which resets the
       map. It becomes day 45, and Madman does a server reboot for lag
       issues. It goes to day 29, and on day 47 I check that city to
       find it has not respawned.  It becomes day 57 and we get a
       server reboot due to memory leak issues. Server comes up and it
       is day 32, on day 36 I check that city, and no loot respawn.
       Something is being altered, and I (we) have not been able to
       loot anything a second time. I have not been able to re-loot a
       city I looted soon after the map reset, despite over 60 game
       days having elapsed. My theory is that if the server did not
       need to be resbooted for memory leak issues we should be fine,
       but something is screwy.
       To go with this theory, if you have a reinjured leg when  the
       server comes down, upon coming up, my leg now has 65 game days
       left on it. SIXTY-FIVE.
       So b/c of the necessary server reboots, I figured we could
       re-address the loot timer. OR perhaps, b/c of the game clock
       issues which are perpetuated thru rebooting.
       To go with this, we have been forced to expand ever further to
       find unlooted areas for our loot. This means copious hours ,
       entire rl gaming sessions searching for loot, when I want to be
       stalking players, and fighting. To wit, I feel pvp is being
       negatively affected by people having to go further afield to
       search for loot.
       I am not trying to advocate a care-bear mentality, I am
       postulating that perhaps if loot was more readily available than
       it is currently (shit won't respawn due to bugs) pvp may be more
       prevalent.  If we didn't have to search for an auger/chainsaw,
       or its parts, we would be raiding more. Munitions boxes are
       plenty, but if they never re-spawn, sniper rifles won't hardly
       exist here. And I feel if some of our loners and
       less-pvp-inclined members had them, they may be encouraged to
       fight more. (If I am poking around OF base and they have sniper
       rifles, they may take shots at me whereas now they don't).
       Myself, thorburn, and feragh have been trying to actively engage
       every player/faction on the server but without a chainsaw we
       can't feasibly acquire the wood we need to facilitate this. OR
       an auger for mining ore.
       As it stands now, the server is running as if loot is set to no
       re-spawn. I don't necessarily dislike this, but for us, in
       trying to get people engaged on the server, we need certain
       items. We are willing to work for it, but it seems
       counter-intuitive for us to have to spend multiple rl gaming
       sessions running and then more are spent looting cities where we
       may or may not get the loot we need to spend multiple rl
       sessions running back to fight.
       I didn't mean to provoke anyone with the topic; it just feels
       worth trying out different options to find an appropriate
       balance. I WANT everyone to be out engaging other players in
       pvp, but I don't feel things are conducive to it as of now. I
       was merely thinking knock it down to 25 or 20 first and try that
       for a time.
       I won't even go into having unlimited anything.
       #Post#: 2326--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Do we need to revisit the 30 day loot timer?
   DIR By: Aknot
       Date: September 20, 2014, 4:06 pm
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       and not that it is against the rules but some....... <hold my
       tongue> is destroying Ammo Crates......
       #Post#: 2327--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Do we need to revisit the 30 day loot timer?
   DIR By: NegativeX
       Date: September 20, 2014, 4:27 pm
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       Personally, I like the 30 day loot timer... but ONLY if the days
       didn't keep resetting. I've been scouting out 5 different cities
       and their munition boxes for a couple weeks now, waiting for
       them to re-spawn, but they never do... seems like the server
       resets the days just before that can happen.
       So until the days being reset, can be fixed, it seems the 'short
       term' temp solution is to change the loot back to re-spawning
       more often.
       Ultimately, respawn timer isn't a game breaker for me... Even if
       its 3 days, 14 or 30... whatever you are all happy with, suits
       me just fine. :)
       #Post#: 2329--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Do we need to revisit the 30 day loot timer?
   DIR By: h0tr0d
       Date: September 20, 2014, 4:52 pm
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       Madman did a save today so it didnt affect game days. If this is
       the simple solution, I say keep the 30 days.
       #Post#: 2331--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Do we need to revisit the 30 day loot timer?
   DIR By: h0tr0d
       Date: September 20, 2014, 5:16 pm
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       OR the community still feels a slight adjustment is in order. I
       dont wanna run bullet and others off, but wondered if u
       considered joining a faction and still enjoying building?
       #Post#: 2333--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Do we need to revisit the 30 day loot timer?
   DIR By: Aknot
       Date: September 21, 2014, 7:23 am
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       --- Quote from: h0tr0d link ---
       >
       > OR the community still feels a slight adjustment is in order.
       I dont wanna run bullet and others off, but wondered if u
       considered joining a faction and still enjoying building?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       This is what I have been saying all along. We have (or at least
       it appears) at least 2 if not 3 different play styles within
       this server. We have the PvPers, we have a somewhat hardcore and
       casuals.
       Server settings cannot be tailored to accommodate all of them.
       While Ive played all 3 in different games Ive slowed down a lot
       both in desire and ability to 'care' so I fall into the casual
       group.
       I commend Mad and our little family for staying together as long
       as it has. :D I wish it could stay together longer but the more
       the server tilts to one group the more people you will lose from
       the others. Its just fact.
       Notice I never say one is better then the other or any such
       stuff. Its just a play style. Some like it hot some like it cold
       some like it somewhere in between.
       This is why when people wanted to make it more difficult I
       suggested people self impose restrictions. Make a choice stick
       to it. You can make the game more difficult by choosing how you
       play. Now PvP thats another story. I was setting up a PvP area
       last map something like a scavenger hunt team based PvP thing.
       No one really seem interested or the right people (PvPers) were
       not on at the same time.
       Thats another issue. Sometimes I can log for an hour or so and
       see no one. Sometimes there are 6 or more people on at a time.
       Its hard to team up when people have differing hours and the
       such. Ive offered my home (for temp) to people that just star
       out etc. so they can have a shelter and a place to get their sea
       legs going...... n one has taken me up on it. (I could be to far
       out).
       Its a new game and stuff is still a changing however you will
       see people flux in and out. The thing we all need to remember it
       is a game for the player.... I just hope they will have as much
       fun as I do playing this game.
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