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#Post#: 1898--------------------------------------------------
Re: Loot re-spawn timer poll.
By: Spider Date: September 1, 2014, 6:06 pm
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[quote author=h0tr0d link=topic=249.msg1895#msg1895
date=1409607010]
Other - until we have faster means of transportation I think the
game needs loot re-spawn; the world is too big atm otherwise.
And seeing how the map is still finite, what happens when every
munitions box is looted and no one has a sniper rifle?
I know, I know... raid the guys who have different parts. That
dullard response has flaws as well.
[/quote]
Next patch we will be able to grow coffee making traveling
faster and easier, so by your post you would be ok with turning
loot respawn off after that right? You players that are trying
to make this server into Mister Rogers Building Emporia need to
understand that a lot of the people that joined this server did
it because it was Adult PVP server for 7 Days to Die not a
better looking MineCraft and we were told it would be kept
challenging. Right now with the settings that you are asking for
there is no challenge. There is only being stuffed with loot and
building. There is no sense of scarcity in resources they are
everywhere, you can’t even get the feeling of accomplishment of
looting a building because right now it spawns back in 3 hours
and even if we change it to 30 days all that means is tomorrow
when I log on all the work I did looting that house and its
refilled. I don’t understand why we can’t have a trial run for a
week in 9.2 with no respawn.
We have tried it your way, you should try it ours its only fair.
Respawning loot can be turned back on at any time without having
to wipe the server or messing everything up. We could even turn
loot respawn off and just refresh all the loot once a week even
that would be better than what we have now. Ya’ll are just being
unreasonable and want it your way only. We have tried it with
loot respawn for weeks now, why wont you allow for any other
ideas of game play but yours?
#Post#: 1899--------------------------------------------------
Re: Loot re-spawn timer poll.
By: Aknot Date: September 1, 2014, 6:48 pm
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[quote author=Spider link=topic=249.msg1897#msg1897
date=1409610688]
The map is not finite it is infinite, never ending, always more
to loot, you can walk FOREVER east and never stop finding POIs.
You do understand the meaning of INFINITE don't you? Not having
an end. Stop spreading false facts and admit you want respawn so
you can be lazy and container farm to gather more loot faster
than all the other players that do it the legit way. You want us
to conform to your way of playing so you can game the system and
have an edge over the rest of us.
[/quote]
WOW....
Legit way....???
Game the system???
You sound like one of those "L33T" players. Im actually
giggling. Who has an edge over you? There is no edge. There is
no win. There is only survival. You die... guess what you come
back... Would you rather it be one death and you cant play until
everyone else dies?
Just like the other day in chat when YOU STARTED TYPING IN ALL
CAPS........
Just wow....
#Post#: 1900--------------------------------------------------
Re: Loot re-spawn timer poll.
By: Spider Date: September 1, 2014, 6:59 pm
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So with nothing to add to the conversation you stoop to judging
my typing grammar? And yes I would say making a room full of gun
safes that respawn multiple times a day that you can loot in the
safety of your home is gaming the system and is not legit, if
you want to do that go PVE where it can’t bother anyone. Then to
try and force your Candy Crush version of the game on us and not
be at least open to the idea of even trying another way for a
short time when we have tried your way for weeks. Gezzz
#Post#: 1901--------------------------------------------------
Re: Loot re-spawn timer poll.
By: CMonster Date: September 1, 2014, 7:55 pm
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An edge would only matter if we actually had PVP in this game.
The infinite universe pretty much shot that in the face. When
the little green houses were on the map (which I thought was
great idea to allow people to interact) PVP had a chance.
Now... just a figment of imagination, or a totally random
individual encounter. The only way to alter that is to actually
create a regulated form of PVP in the form of a game
system/arena (which I was hoping to do in the last one, but
server reset shot that one in the nads).
Come to think of it - none of our server variants have really
been PVP. Players come on and play for a while at the start of
a fresh server, and then it's the same few people who hang
around and keep building stuff.
Spider, there is no edge. I am still using a crossbow and bone
shiv, mostly because that is all I'll ever need. To do PVP I
have to make wide sweeping scout missions to locate players,
spending whole days just walking and uncovering the map (which I
was doing diligently in the last map) ... and then the server
resets. Bah. Now I'm just trying to veg for a while before
having to deal with the mental insanity of RL work again.
Spawn, no spawn... all the same to me. I've pretty much given
up on PVP.
#Post#: 1902--------------------------------------------------
Re: Loot re-spawn timer poll.
By: h0tr0d Date: September 1, 2014, 8:51 pm
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For the record, I am for no loot respawn. Again, I would rather
it occur when there exists a faster means of transportation, due
to time of travel. And you aren't impressing anyone other than
with how big a jerk you are being.
And for all your ranting and raving I have not seen a concerted
effort on your behalf to sally forth and engage players in PVP.
You stand on top of the mountain and issue forth your Ten
Commandments telling everyone "Thou shalt PVP" - yet I do not
see you going out and trying to encourage it through actions.
Ever think some of us may not want to PVP with you b/c of how
you act, as opposed to being anti-PVP? Or opposing your ideas
b/c of how you present them and ridicule others' ideas?
Just a game man. Play hard, don't whine, and have fun.
TL;DR
[quote]The map is not finite it is infinite, never ending,
always more to loot, you can walk FOREVER east and never stop
finding POIs. You do understand the meaning of INFINITE don't
you? [/quote]
The liberal use of bold and larger font smacks of immaturity.
You come across as if you want me to feel or have others
perceive that you are talking to a simpleton. I chalk this up to
your lack of tact and immaturity as opposed to an argumentative
ploy.
[quote]So with nothing to add to the conversation you stoop to
judging my typing grammar?[/quote]
You condemn Aknot in such an manner after you did the same to
me, seeking to come on here and patronize and condescend me. In
particular your insinuation that I do not understand what words
mean.
I could also argue that typing grammar is still plain old
grammar, quite different from correcting poor typing (of which i
am guilty).
And what Aknot was contributing was a shorter version of this
post - amazement and disappointment that you are coming across
as a jerk.
[quote]We have tried it your way, you should try it ours its
only fair. Respawning loot can be turned back on at any time
without having to wipe the server or messing everything up. We
could even turn loot respawn off and just refresh all the loot
once a week even that would be better than what we have now.
Ya’ll are just being unreasonable and want it your way only. We
have tried it with loot respawn for weeks now, why wont you
allow for any other ideas of game play but yours?[/quote]
Please do not misquote me; the only change I have asked for is
faster means of transportation, and that is not a server
setting. I am actually on the record as wanting more difficult
settings with the purpose being to make survival harder. I
thought it was clear in that I felt the game as it stands right
now is not ideal for certain settings, which is different than
opposing a setting simply due to a play style. And Aknot is on
the record being ok with the change, but had merely requested it
be done in a sort of gradual manner.
Throwing around terms like "you players", is trying to lump
those who disagree with your totalitarian views into one pool
you can vilify and ridicule.
Your choice of words and your tone are continually insulting,
demeaning, and deplorable. Your arguments are rife with
fallacies and generalizations:
[quote]The map is not finite it is infinite, never ending,
always more to loot, you can walk FOREVER east and never stop
finding POIs. You do understand the meaning of INFINITE don't
you? Not having an end. [/quote]
Try to refrain from using absolute words... I could nitpick the
word forever here in much the same manner you try to do with
finite and infinite. The world may ostensibly be infinite, but
for all practical purposes it is finite. Coffee does not change
this; there still exists limits on how far players will actually
go. I would wager that we all have our limits on how far out we
want to go, in this iteration we all have set up within a
certain distance of GZ.
And for the sake of disclosure, getting into an argument I will
not have with you: How do you know it is infinite? You cannot
prove this, even if you spent 100 lifetimes walking east,
because you cannot prove there is not an end just ahead. The
idea is that for all practical purposes, and in practice, we
players set a finite limit on the world. Having no faster means
of transportation only makes it a smaller sandbox.
[quote]Stop spreading false facts and admit you want respawn so
you can be lazy and container farm to gather more loot faster
than all the other players that do it the legit way[/quote]
Claiming I want respawn so I can be "lazy and container farm..."
is you insulting me, stereotyping, and just well...false. Again,
I am on the record without changing opinion that I am actually
in favor of no loot respawn. I wanted it even before you started
going FOX news on us and claiming we were all against it simply
because we were against something which was corollary to it.
I currently only have storage chests and 2 gun safes which are
only used for storage. The 8.8 lake spillway effort was to try
and cover the entire lake in one massive structure, which meant
I needed supplemental iron. Has not occurred since, yet you
continue to spew that at "us" as fact, despite having no factual
evidence or proof to substantiate your claims. And even if
someone did, who are you to judge?
You use the word legit in an attempt to convey that any play
style other than the one you propose is illegitimate, and by
default make your preferred method legitimate. Playing without
hacking is legitimate. Playing without taking advantage of an
exploit in order to gain an 'edge', as you so eloquently put it,
would be illegitimate as well. It is not illegitimate simply
because you disagree or choose not to partake.
[quote]You want us to conform to your way of playing so you can
game the system and have an edge over the rest of us.[/quote]
You accuse "us", whomever "us" are, of trying to force a system
upon someone else... yet not one of us has done so. All I
repeatedly see is people advocating for a system which isn't
biased completely in one direction, getting along despite
disagreements, and going along with what Madman decides at the
end of the day. I believe most players just want equal
consideration, as opposed to wanting to force everyone else to
play like them.
I feel comfortable in saying I could go back through the forums
and find that everyone, while they have preferences, are not
demanding any one particular play style.
In fact, the only person I see ranting and name-calling is you,
Spider. It seems as if you're the only one trying to browbeat
other people, and it smacks of bullying. is this what you do in
your group? Try to gain sympathizers by lamenting the woes
inflicted upon by the "Candy Crush" gamers? The most PVP I saw
since 9.0 involved feragh, iamthorburn, myself, and with 9.1 the
first two with Pitchburn and co., and OF clan.
Quit trying to come across as some h@dcore pvp gamer; it is an
old and tired rant. None of us are better than anyone else, no
one here is beyond fault, we are not perfect any one of us.
I believe you are too intelligent to be this bent out of shape
over this issue. I used to really stress out over things in
video games, and each time I could trace it back to something
outside of the game that was causing me stress.
Regardless, I do not know you, and will refrain from making
assumptions which may upset you. Do us all a favor and get off
your high horse and demanding everyone see it your way;
,because, I can speak for myself, and most certainly others,
that we also (that is how you emphasize words) came to this
server to avoid someone ranting and raving about being h@rdcore
and l33t compared to casual gamers. A better way to describe it
would be a "blue" server, or "care-bear" server, more accurate
than Candy Crush references.
Know why I didn't join your group when madman queried me?
Because I find you to be an abrasive and unpleasant blowhard
full of himself frat boy that I have no desire to be around.
This isn't to say you are a bad person, but how you have behaved
in every situation I have privy to aggravates me. In fact, you
are the only person on this server I dislike in any degree. Now
this could be a good thing if it translates into a PVP rivalry
in game, but it could be a bad thing is it leads to destructive
flaming in-game and on the forums.
Relax Spider, there are things in life more deserving of anger.
It is just a video game.
#Post#: 1903--------------------------------------------------
Re: Loot re-spawn timer poll.
By: h0tr0d Date: September 1, 2014, 8:55 pm
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\[quote author=CMonster link=topic=249.msg1901#msg1901
date=1409619320]
Spawn, no spawn... all the same to me. I've pretty much given
up on PVP.[/quote]
Don't give up Cookie, I think future iterations will encourage
it. I can also speak to the fact me and my allies are bored, and
want to PVP\, much as thor and feragh did, we will venture forth
to find other players soon enough. Mainly we are waiting for an
update that gives us stability and time with a number of
caveats. Not a small part of this would be rafts!
#Post#: 1907--------------------------------------------------
Re: Loot re-spawn timer poll.
By: Aknot Date: September 2, 2014, 5:31 am
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[quote author=Spider link=topic=249.msg1900#msg1900
date=1409615946]
So with nothing to add to the conversation you stoop to judging
my typing grammar? And yes I would say making a room full of gun
safes that respawn multiple times a day that you can loot in the
safety of your home is gaming the system and is not legit, if
you want to do that go PVE where it can’t bother anyone. Then to
try and force your Candy Crush version of the game on us and not
be at least open to the idea of even trying another way for a
short time when we have tried your way for weeks. Gezzz
[/quote]
HotRod said it all. However if I may.
[quote author=Spider link=topic=249.msg1900#msg1900
date=1409615946]
So with nothing to add to the conversation you stoop to judging
my typing grammar?[/quote]
Yes it took me by complete surprise. I thought we were all
mature adults (within reason it is a game) so when you started
spouting off terms like a 12 year old yelling at the screen it
took me back a little. When I read the words the first word that
came to mind was Elitist. My apology if I jumped to judgement.
[quote author=Spider link=topic=249.msg1900#msg1900
date=1409615946]
And yes I would say making a room full of gun safes that respawn
multiple times a day that you can loot in the safety of your
home is gaming the system and is not legit, if you want to do
that go PVE where it can’t bother anyone. [/quote]
I concur. Well to the safe respawn thing not playing solo. I
have no issue with anyone touring my establishment. You see I
practice what I preach. Once I figured out it worked that way I
stopped using them. Much like I have suggested to you for self
imposed challenges to make the game more difficult (only eat
canned food, food you have killed, use one tool and repair if
lost/destroyed you have to find anotehr, only use a crossbow,
only build with wood products, only drink golden rod, only go
out at night etc.). I did not give into the games mechanics. I
just dont use the 'safe' method. Also as for PvP since you keep
up with the game and postings you know the game is first and
foremost a PvE game. PvP is just tossed in at this time and has
not been refined nor really looked at.
[quote author=Spider link=topic=249.msg1900#msg1900
date=1409615946]
Then to try and force your Candy Crush version of the game on
us and not be at least open to the idea of even trying another
way for a short time when we have tried your way for weeks.
Gezzz [/quote]
MY Candy Crush... see again this is where you are wrong. I dont
need the game to tell me how to play. I can adjust my play style
to meet my needs. Case in point the safe respawn thing. I dont
do it. Right now im on a self imposed quest to see if there
really (as another player on our server stated) an ends to the
earth. See what I did? I took the game in its current state and
invented something.
I cant say how many times I have heard people complain about a
game not doing this and not doing that. There are just so many
different things to do..... it is called make believe for a
reason. Make believe. Dont use the game as a crutch blaming it
for your inability to to enjoy it in another way. There is no
set way to play the game.
Im taking the game as it is currently and making the best of it.
I can make it more difficult/challenging so can you.
In closing the same could be said to you Spider......
[quote author=Spider link=topic=249.msg1900#msg1900
date=1409615946]
if you want to do that go PVE where it can’t bother anyone.
[/quote]
If you want a true h.a.r.d.c.o.r.e PvP server please go find
one. At this time I dont believe this one is. Yes it is PvP but
it is not a true PvP server. MM has tried to make it a place
where you can do a little of both. It just appears there is more
Care Bears here. ;)
#Post#: 1911--------------------------------------------------
Re: Loot re-spawn timer poll.
By: The3rdMan Date: September 2, 2014, 7:20 am
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Well then…let’s get back to point. Discussion of tossing the
loot timers for a no respawn container setting..
I don’t know if anyone is container farming or not, but I do
want to remove the possibility.
I also want to up the difficulty by having the definite
possibility that if I enter an area it’s a distinct possibility
that an area has been looted out, and food sources might be
gone. That once I have looted a city I need to have farms
and a good working mine for this to remain a viable base. (As I
side not I am disappointed that they increased food spawning in
the last patch.)
I disagree with the idea of waiting around for vehicles. I do
agree that they would be an asset in PvP. allowing us to not
only attract attention but allowing us to find groups. As it
is right now our group has been seeking out other players, but
with only two of us on constantly (which is not a reflection on
our fellow group members,) which has been making laying supplies
easy, but branching out difficult. Mostly one of us has been
making scouting runs, looking for other groups. We have found
two as of yet, One of those has surrounded their base with stop
signs so not much use there. I have yet to see really anyone
in our area either.
Infinite maps are a detriment to conflict, but till we are given
a random perimeter map, it’s what we have to work with.
Saying let’s waiting for the vehicles, or map solutions or
whatever is just putting off what we could do today. Hell I’m
all for moving my base right now into area’s that are already
“settled.”
As it is my opinion holds firm, the group, in general is
favoring the idea that their cities can’t run out of supplies
that the police stations will continue to produce possible gun
parts (made easier that we can return to the safe over and over
without ever having to chop through the walls again.) As
it is this game, as I agree with CMontster, is settling back
into a lack of PvP now due to non-provocation, due to distance
and compliancy.
If infinite map is the problem why not on the next respawn not
only kill loot respawn, but also make an agreement that those of
us interested in conflict head south of ground zero (0.0)?
And no I’m not saying north just becomes non-PvP, I’m just
saying those of us with the juice head south increasing chances
of interaction.
All in all, it’s too easy…and yeah I’m considering leaving for a
hardcore server again.
(Sorry for the scattered nature of the post, something drilled
out before I get to work at my real life job.)
#Post#: 1913--------------------------------------------------
Re: Loot re-spawn timer poll.
By: Aknot Date: September 2, 2014, 8:20 am
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But 3rd the issue is this is not (correct me if I am wrong MM) a
h.a.r.d.c.o.r.e PvP (ok HC from now on!) server. It has never
pretended to be.
Why do you want to remove the container farming? How does it
effect your playing? It is not like auto aim, having an
invulnerability method or powers of flight in game. (I am
against the setting up multiple safes for farming purposes but
hey it is a personal choice) So as I have asked others why cant
you limit yourself? Why cant you impose restrictions on your
play style within the server? If I have more bullets then you
that just makes it more challenging for you... isnt that what
you want?
The area being sparse has an adverse effect on people that are
late to the server or cant play as much. When the map resets the
early players will be like a plague of locust leaving nothing in
their wake. So Joe logs on after not being able to play for 2
days and finds nothing. Dies repeatedly only to respawn back to
square one where everything has been looted..... I ask again as
I have asked of Spider..... if you dont want to loot a container
more than once..dont. If you raid an area and feel you have
cleaned it out... leave it alone dont come back. Why do others
have to have a difficult/challenging time just because you want
one?
Waiting around for transportation.... we are waiting around for
everything actually it is a game in development. It is still in
Alpha so it is not final. As for Stop signs... it was an agreed
upon arrangement. Maybe the majority of players here really dont
care for PvP. How is branching off difficult? (maybe Im not
understanding the statement) I have set up one base and have
branched off to at least two other places.....
You mention no one in your area.... why would people want to be
in the same area if you had loot spawn off or severely extended?
Especially if there were a chance for them to get their head
shot off? Me im taking that and running as far away from
people....
I agree with your opinion holding firm. However did you think
maybe it is because there are more people that want to be just
left alone and not PvP? The game is not PvP ready yet. At this
point the only way I can see a viable PvP is if everyone who
does not want to PvP friends everyone and turn FF off. That way
even if I go near you or Spider you cant hurt me as we are
friends. I say this as there is no way to discern from a
distance friend or foe.
I believe there was talk of the PvP people settling in a general
area near each other yet that doesnt appear to have happened....
possibly in the future great idea. Im all for making the map
less infinite. As for a place to move I hear RIP is interested
in neighbors.... ;)
As for your HC comment at the end. One of the reasons I selected
this server is just because of that reason. It is not a HC
server. I dont think it has ever been touted as a HC server. I
dont think it aspires to be a HC server. (of course as usual
please MM correct me if I am wrong)
From the front page of Kamcraft.com :
It is a password protected, "friendly" PVP, survival server.
Although PVP is allowed, There are rules in place to keeps
things civil.
PVP is NOT the primary function of our community.
We are more focused on socializing, building and killing some
pesky zeds!
#Post#: 1916--------------------------------------------------
Re: Loot re-spawn timer poll.
By: Madman Date: September 2, 2014, 9:34 am
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You are correct Aknot. This was never meant to be a hardcore
server. But we will need to make some adjustments to make it
more challenging and therefore more interesting and enjoyable.
Nothing too crazy though. :)
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