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       #Post#: 9613--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Someone built ladders on top of my LCB protected area...
   DIR By: Davy Crockett
       Date: October 17, 2016, 5:15 pm
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       Hope you conferred these points to the raiders....such as the
       section on not using hordes to destroy the base and camping the
       spawn point. I hope next time you write something like this, you
       learn alittle more about history about the people you are
       looking down upon and blaming for the situation.  I pride myself
       on the fact that I have actually read the rules and understand
       them and bend over backwards to be helpful to all.  I don't know
       why I bothered bringing this situation your talking about to
       your attention in a pm, if you were just gonna drag it into
       someone elses thread and lay it out for all to see.  I'm not
       surprised that blame was of course shifted from the group of
       people involved in this incident to the single person that
       reported.  The voice of the many always overrule that of the
       few.  Great Job.
       #Post#: 9615--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Someone built ladders on top of my LCB protected area...
   DIR By: CMonster
       Date: October 17, 2016, 8:25 pm
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       The direction of this situation puts me in a curious mix of
       emotions.  On the one side I have been having so much fun gaming
       with the Cookie Muncher crew (and PrivateBarnes has been an
       indispensable contributor to that enjoyment), that I am inclined
       to act from the perspective that I am defending family.  I was
       not involved with the Teamspeak interaction, but I am in regular
       communication with Barnes and I find it quite enjoyable.
       On the other end of the coin, I have gamed with Hotrod since he
       first joined the server.  I will say that I miss interacting
       with the mega-ness of his constructions back when he was a
       player.  Since taking on the role of administration his in-game
       time is more limited.  Don't see Madman on as much either.
       Also, the PVP/PVE question has been a constant debate since the
       early days.  I believe the map-split (North PVE, South PVP) is
       the most successful version, which was originally introduced by
       Aknot (and we had a huge debate about that too).  In the two
       years since this server has been running we've seen lots of
       dicks come and go, and we've had to deal with that as best we
       could.  Some got the ban hammer in the nads, some got bored and
       moved on, and others lingered like a wood sliver just under the
       skin.  The one thing I can say with certainty is that this
       server has a rather minor population of dicks compared to
       others.
       With that in mind, and with the commitment I have toward seeing
       the continued success of this server, I feel it my duty to act
       in a patrol capacity.  Thus, if dickish activity is occurring, I
       cannot help but get involved.  I've had people grief-raid my
       bases in the past.  Madman and Hotrod have always been helpful.
       In one case it helped provide info to get a player banned.  I
       can't overlook that.  I've also been PVP from the beginning, so
       for me death is a part of living the apocalypse.  I've died so
       many times and in so many different ways that I am perhaps
       somewhat dulled to it's anger affects.  Getting shot in the back
       of the head by Spider while I was in a friends base crafting
       chairs (must have been A9 or 10) resulted in a slug fest and I
       pulled in three kills before we fended them off (though I have
       to admit that one of those was sneaking up on Madman while he
       was trying to move stuff in his inventory).  Turned into a great
       story for the forums (might still be on here somewhere).  It was
       a function of my reaction, *but it was also a function of their
       reactions*.  Spider didn't throw down barbed wire all around the
       base, nor did he launch rockets/exploding bolts at the
       structures unless a target was present, and he didn't light
       forges to mud the combat with zombies.  It was player versus
       player, strait up face punching, and it was great.  Adrenaline
       was felt by all (turned into a six or seven player combat before
       all was said and done, SgtFill and myself versus the invaders).
       The first few moments after getting smoked are the hottest.
       Attacking players need to take this into account.  Like Hotrod
       says, "it is how we handle situations and conduct ourselves that
       is the main thing."  If you are attacking someone and get the
       kill let the steam clear a little before throwing more grenades
       through the windows.
       #Post#: 9616--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Someone built ladders on top of my LCB protected area...
   DIR By: CMonster
       Date: October 17, 2016, 8:35 pm
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       Hotrod, you also do me more honor than I deserve.  However, if
       you are awarding a unique item than who am I to turn it down  :D
       There is only one thing that would make Cookie happy --> a blue
       beanie.  One that can replace a helmet so I have the option to
       use it in combat.  Perhaps you could sew a blue beanie over a
       helmet.  Or, maybe you could just hot glue some metal plates
       inside a blue beanie.
       Either way, blue beanie make Cookie happy.
       #Post#: 9617--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Someone built ladders on top of my LCB protected area...
   DIR By: guest215
       Date: October 18, 2016, 4:07 am
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       --- Quote from: PrivateBarnes82 link ---
       >
       > Hope you conferred these points to the raiders....such as the
       section on not using hordes to destroy the base and camping the
       spawn point. I hope next time you write something like this, you
       learn alittle more about history about the people you are
       looking down upon and blaming for the situation.  I pride myself
       on the fact that I have actually read the rules and understand
       them and bend over backwards to be helpful to all.  I don't know
       why I bothered bringing this situation your talking about to
       your attention in a pm, if you were just gonna drag it into
       someone elses thread and lay it out for all to see.  I'm not
       surprised that blame was of course shifted from the group of
       people involved in this incident to the single person that
       reported.  The voice of the many always overrule that of the
       few.  Great Job.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I confer every point that needs to be conferred. This is not me
       siding with one or the other but nathan was mentioned by name in
       this thread so his character was being impugned.
       I wasn't the one who discussed what you said in a PM to me nor
       did I mention you by name.  The responsibility you share in this
       is how you comported yourself during and following the chaos
       in-game--specifically--going into Teamspeak and exacerbating the
       situation. I didn't go into detail and hoped you inferred what I
       meant and took it to heart; there is shared culpability.
       The only blame anyone here shares is how they acted during/after
       the event. The raiders were questioned along with witnesses to
       said raid; I asked for information/perspectives from those
       raided/involved and got those.
       I do not believe there was any hacking/cheating going on; nor do
       I believe there was deliberate griefing. This includes
       deliberately using a horde to damage a base. It is incumbent
       upon players to be aware of hordes during raiding or being near
       another player's base; however, there is not going to be a rule
       about raiding on horde night.
       If you are in someone's base and they respawn there and you
       shoot them again that is not spawn camping. If you then try to
       make an exit and they engage you so you kill them again; this is
       not spawn camping. There is a gray area here and it can be
       resolved one of two ways.
       Those being raided log off to avoid dying and enter teamspeak,
       send PMs, ask someone in-game to send a message to chat asking
       if the raiders would leave so as to avoid spawn killing.
       Those raiding can recognize what is occurring and hastily
       retreat provided there is a safe way to do so; It's possible to
       log out also but then there's that gray area. I can teleport
       people before they enter the game so that helps; we have home
       commands for a reason also. I suggest having your home set to
       NOT your sleeping bag; this can help in this situation. Maybe
       have your sleeping bag in a room with no entrances or exists;
       the only way out is to use /home.
       Can you still select spawn near your bedroll?
       During PvP set a bedroll at a different spot.
       Shooting someone in the head whilst they fight zombies is a
       perfectly legitimate tactic and not a "dickish" move. Raiding a
       base when it is under siege from zombies is likewise not an
       illegal or "dickish" move.
       Unnecessary damage is against the rules. I don't think this
       happened, but if someone was sniping at me from a window and I
       could not get the proper angle...if my exploding crossbow bolts
       would go through the window and damage that player from the
       explosion this does not mean I am griefing them by aiming for
       chests or such. Don't snipe at me from a window where your goods
       are stored. Have a wall between you and them.
       What I do believe is that there were multiple kills in a fluid
       PvP situation that did not involve corpse-camping.
       There were players unprepared/complacent and perhaps unused to
       PvP and were taken unawares.
       Complacency has always, in my time gaming, led to chaos, and
       ever since I started online gaming when someone encounters
       something they don't understand inevitably the cry of cheat goes
       out. I wager I have been accused more times than most on this
       server when it comes to hacking/cheating/rule-breaking than
       anyone else.
       I know the rules...I created most of them.
       Again, the reason it was made public is because nathan was
       having his name dragged through the mud in a kangaroo court in a
       public fashion; this is unfair to him and a poor precedent. Even
       if he was engaged in wrong-doing it is innocent until proven
       guilty and he has asked questions continuously to ensure he is
       playing legally ever since I asked him to stop blowing up GZ.
       You may have not dragged his name here but you tagged on to the
       thread alluding to the fact you were waiting for the admin to
       report findings. Then Cookie, then bumbaloo, that was all no
       bueno. You yourself knew your initial PM was written when you
       were not in the calmest of states and your entering into
       Teamspeak was not your finest hour from the witness accounts.
       So there is plenty of blame to be shared by many involved and it
       all revolves around conduct. I can fix most anything in this
       game or on this server but fractured relationships and trust
       issues I cannot. Likewise, it is difficult to break the stigma
       of cheater/griefer/rule-breaker for players so I ensure I
       diligently defend them unless it holds true.
       In that case I take administrative action against them but I
       don't publicly drag them through the coals and crucify them
       publicly. I must set the example on how handle things when shit
       hits the fan. It isn't easy; I have the nickname h0tr0d for a
       reason.
       PvP takes a bit to prepare for and has a learning curve and it
       is hard to "master" unless you get out there and try it. It
       becomes like a game of chess, having to think 15 moves ahead at
       times; I thoroughly enjoy the battle of wits that occurs.  PvP
       is won before the shooting even begins, preparation is
       everything. Complacency is the enemy.
       Having the right items on your toolbelt is one.
       If you're being raided, is your /home outside your perimeter so
       you can use it to get behind said raiders? Do you have tunnels
       and spider holes to get behind them that way? D o you have
       avenues of approach to maneuver through death fields of mines
       and spikes?It's easy to manage player's movements, tree here,
       tree there, stone wall here, etc.
       Barbed wire flat on the ground is a dead giveaway when they're
       trying to be sneaky.
       Sometimes else to consider is, once bested, and things cool
       down, is to ask the raiders if there is anything you can do to
       improve your defenses. Personally, unless I am dealing with a
       large faction, I ant my enemy to be better prepared each time
       and to embrace the challenge of the learning curve because once
       you add in the matching of wits with other players it makes the
       game so much more dynamic inmo.
       OK I wrote a lot; I don't believe there was
       hacking.cheating.intentional rule-breaking. There was a zombie
       horde that came...did they time it deliberately? I doubt it. Did
       they kill it off? Yes. As fast as they could? Who knows.
       Gunshots draw more zombies. Was it the same base?
       There are so many different pieces to this puzzle and it reminds
       me of this movie I watched where it showed you things from
       different perspectives; I don't think Crash was it. It showed
       each actor;s take on the same situation; was very interesting.
       No more diatribes; the point here is no matter what happens
       in-game we don't flip out. Comport yourselves as I know you are
       capable of; remove that chaos of fluctuation emotions and focus
       on objectivity. Specifics and timelines helps.I have to piece
       together quite a few different perspectives and ask alot of
       questions and find the truth somewhere amongst it all.
       I don't believe anyone is lying; I just know that everyone had a
       different view and experienced it all at a different pace.
       But that corpse thing was confirmed to me by Black Triad and
       dalgoda as having happened between them specifically earlier.
       Your final remark is unfair and unnecessary; it feels like you
       posted that out of frustration. The voice of the many don't
       overrule the voice of the one; I am the voice of one. The voice
       of many include every player on this server; even those who only
       saw it play out in chat because they are all affected by this,
       be it directly/indirectly, or perhaps in some future encounter
       they're involved in.
       I took your post very seriously and in fact suspended nathan
       temporarily just to ensure there was no more PvPing before I
       talked to him. More of a safeguard for him then an sentencing of
       guilt.
       The player on this server who did light fires to attract zombies
       was warned and next time they cross my line and impact another
       player's experience negatively they are history.
       Likewise those suspected of raiding bases in the north. I am 90
       pct sure of who it is but w/o definitive proof, or definitive
       enough for me, they were issued warning and the raided got
       reimbursed by me. I see them in someone else's base again
       they're history.
       Nathan was told to give it a week or so before venturing down
       your way; I suggest shoring up your defenses meantime. Perhaps
       hire a consultant to offer suggestions and oversee...cost might
       be zcoins (as you can transfer them in-game) or a donation to
       server which gets my personal time looking over your base. That
       last bit is tongue in check cause I do it for free for people
       who ask to the best of my ability but my time is limited so I
       can only do so much as I work on getting mods back in and
       preparing for 16 amongst the daily troubleshooting.
       Remember we want no drama, this is a game to escape our mundane
       zombie-free lives. I type alot when on oxy...
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