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       Kuzari and Iggeret HaRamban
   DIR By: mrsgold
       Date: December 11, 2012, 2:21 pm
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       What are some similarities you can find between the way the
       Rabbi in The Kuzari describes an "Ideal Jew" to the advice the
       Ramban gives to his son?
       What does this teach you for your life?
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       Re: Kuzari and Iggeret HaRamban
   DIR By: riversong
       Date: December 14, 2012, 11:04 am
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       they both talk about being nice to other people, and how you
       shouldn't be isolated, be a community person, be active in the
       society, but i wonder, what if you like being alone, what if
       your anti-social, or not anti-social but, draw your strength
       sort-of from being alone? what do you do then to be the 'ideal
       jew'?
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       Re: Kuzari and Iggeret HaRamban
   DIR By: TheOnlyMrsEfron
       Date: December 14, 2012, 1:17 pm
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       Well, Riversong, i think that if you like being alone that's
       fine but you shouldn't isolate yourself in your house because it
       is unhealthy to not experience the outside and different sense.
       It is very hard to get your strength from being alone you need
       to be with people and do things. To be the 'Ideal Jew' you need
       to have many experiences to understand what it truly means to be
       a good Jew. The Ramban told his son to be nice to people and
       speak kindly to people and most importantly not to get angry. I
       think when your cooped up in your house it is, not only, hard to
       be the 'Ideal Jew' but is also very easy to get angry. You are
       all alone so you get frustrated with little things and when you
       eventually see people you will be very aggravated.
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       Re: Kuzari and Iggeret HaRamban
   DIR By: battmentthesky
       Date: December 14, 2012, 3:58 pm
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       Both Yehudah Ha'Levi (who wrote the Kuzari) and the Ramban say
       that the "Ideal Jew" is someone who goes out in the world, and
       works on being social and helping others rather than cooping
       yourself up in a house all day learning Torah. In response to
       you, riversong, everything is based on your capabilities. If you
       are not the most social of people you should try to push
       yourself to help people in your boundaries. I think the point
       Yehudah Ha'Levi and Ramban were trying to prove is that we can
       not just think that we're just going to stay back, learn Torah,
       and not acknowledge and learn how to behave in the advancing
       world around us. It is still important to learn the laws of the
       Torah, but if you do not apply them to yourself and make the
       world a better place, than you're not the "Ideal Jew".
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       Re: Kuzari and Iggeret HaRamban
   DIR By: Patrick5678
       Date: December 15, 2012, 10:32 pm
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       I think they are both similar mainly in one way: Both say that
       the ideal Jew is someone who goes out in the world, doing
       mitzvoth, and helping others. The  Ideal Jew doesn't only care
       about himself, his health, his life, his money, but he cares for
       other people as well. He makes sure that every person who he can
       help, he does. And he does spend time learning Torah, and
       davening and such, but he still makes as much time as possible
       for other people in the world who need the help. He acts as a
       leader, but not just any kind of leader. Not a leader who says
       he has more privileges because he is the leader, but one who
       makes himself equal, or lesser to the people who is following
       him. And he tries to make sure he is being a good role model,
       not a bad one. This teaches us that we should always try out
       hardest to make sure we don't act like we're worth more than
       other people. Even if you are, try and act humble, not like a
       person who feels more worthy than other people, because he may
       have something they don't.
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       Re: Kuzari and Iggeret HaRamban
   DIR By: spongebob1234
       Date: December 16, 2012, 6:31 pm
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       Riversong I think there is nothing wrong with being an
       anti-social person but it does not mean you need to be completly
       exiled from society. The ideal Jew is about being a good person
       and helping others while it might be easier to be an ideal Jew
       if you were more of a social person theres nothing wrong with
       being a little anti-social. Now to answer the question, I think
       in Iggeret HaRamban The Ramban is basically describing the ideal
       Jew to his son but in a little more detail. Ramban is giving his
       son all the instructions to become a kind and caring person
       along with being the ideal Jew.
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       Re: Kuzari and Iggeret HaRamban
   DIR By: bob21
       Date: December 18, 2012, 5:47 pm
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       The advice that Rambam gives to his son is saying how to be an
       ideal Jew. He's saying to be an ideal Jew you have to not be
       angry, be humble,and to be happy what you have. and the Rambam
       whats his son to be an ideal Jew and Kuzari tells us that an
       ideal jew is nice and NOT SEPARATED FROM OTHER PEOPLE, and
       simular things the Rambam says to his son in the letter. :)
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       Re: Kuzari and Iggeret HaRamban
   DIR By: louisbiebs15
       Date: December 20, 2012, 7:45 pm
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       i am sorry riversong but i am also have to agree with many other
       people and say that yes people might find peace in being
       anti-social but nobody would be perfectly happy  being away from
       people forever. there are times when we all need to be around
       others. being the ideal jew isnt all about davening to hashem
       and being isloated from everybody else. it is also knowing your
       strengths and weaknesses and knowing how lead other people. how
       can you be the ideal jew when there is no way to test your
       leadership skills when you isolate yourself from everybody else.
       this relates to the ramban's letter to his son. he explained in
       his letters what it mean to be slow to anger and to have
       humilty. and again how could have ramban's son done that if he
       isolated himself from everybody? the answer is he couldnt have.
       in order to be the ideal jew you have to be able to adapt
       yourself to other sucessfully.
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       Re: Kuzari and Iggeret HaRamban
   DIR By: AuspiciousWind
       Date: December 20, 2012, 9:22 pm
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       The rabbi's explanation of the ideal is similar to the advice
       Ramban gave to his son because they both talk about how a person
       can be good. The Ramban does this by saying to be slow to anger.
       The rabbi in the Kuzari does this by saying what a ideal Jew is
       and how they act. This teaches me many things like not to be
       angry, to be humble, and to do my best. To answer riversong's
       question the way I think of how a anti-social person would have
       to be if he was happy with being alone is  they would still have
       all the other things that make the ideal Jew an ideal Jew.
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       Re: Kuzari and Iggeret HaRamban
   DIR By: cphs
       Date: December 23, 2012, 5:15 pm
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       In both the Kuzari and Ieegerrett HaRamban they both say that
       you shouldn't be isalated and study Torah 24/7  :). They both
       say that you should blance out being secular and Jewish  :-\.
       And not have too much of any  ::).
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