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       Jed Rant... What you are and are not
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: July 2, 2016, 7:31 am
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       You are consciousness. At least that is my experience of what I
       am, so let me talk about this apparent ''me''. If I am
       consciousness, and nothing more, I am the source of all that is.
       If that is all I am, and all that exists, then how can it become
       aware of itself. Consciousness would have to step outside itself
       to see itself, however, if it's all that is stepping outside of
       itself that would mean it would be itself plus all. It would be
       all and the stepping out as well. Like your eyes seeing
       themselves. Pretty difficult to imagine BUT, not impossible
       because logic doesn't apply at the level of consciousness. Logic
       is a human construct and appears reasonably infallible in the
       dream, but we have all dreamed some pretty illogical experiences
       at night.... haven't we?
       What to do? Watch the trees swaying in the wind. Is the wind
       making the trees sway, or, perhaps the swaying tree is
       generating wind... it's neither. Your mind is making the tree
       sway. That mind outputs its data by way (generally) of the voice
       and pictures in your head. When the mind is gone pure
       consciousness (AKA Buddha Mind/Truth) shines through. Along with
       that there is sense of everything disappearing. People, the
       world, the universe, are gone. If your body walks into a glass
       door, it's still going to go bump,  but there  is no one there
       to notice it or care. If not conducted with some background,
       this realization can be problematic. It's certainly destructive
       to the dream and to the degree you are living in the dream, you
       will be disturbed.
       What disappears is the perceived and the perceiver. All that
       remains is the truth of what always was, perceiving only. No
       subject and no object. Perceiving doesn't call for them, hence
       they are no longer there, never were, but perceiving does
       continue. Asking what is perceiving perceiving is meaningless
       when only perceiving exists.
       You do not exist and never did exist. Existing is a concept
       thought up by mind in a desperate effort to attach importance to
       illusion and dreams. It's no more real than the money in your
       pocket, but as long as everyone else is dreaming, that money is
       accepted. As folks wake up you will find that the sense of
       currency will change. Less folks will accept your paper and your
       stories.
       Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.
       Love ya, Jed.
       
       #Post#: 22343--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed Rant... What you are and are not
   DIR By: Mori
       Date: July 2, 2016, 10:29 am
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       I've always asked for the same, though the asking had to learn
       what to ask. Getting better at asking the right thing.
       It's good. I have full trust in the process.
       I'm aware of the dream stabilising through the process. It's an
       automatic process. Everything is perfect.
       Love, Mori
       #Post#: 22345--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed Rant... What you are and are not
   DIR By: Frits
       Date: July 2, 2016, 10:37 am
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       Throughout my life I had one simple question, and it sounded
       something like this:
       "What the  f u c k  is this and why does everyone act as if it
       is normal?"
       Well, it is known now, so the question no longer exists (and
       neither do I).
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       Re: Jed Rant... What you are and are not
   DIR By: sixohs
       Date: July 2, 2016, 12:24 pm
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       Is there a single upside to t/r, besides getting to know the
       truth ?
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       Re: Jed Rant... What you are and are not
   DIR By: mariam
       Date: July 2, 2016, 12:33 pm
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       Truth isn't a prize. you don't 'get to know it'.
       the upside is it exists.
       just my non-existent two cents worth, given 'here', for free.
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       Re: Jed Rant... What you are and are not
   DIR By: Frits
       Date: July 2, 2016, 12:39 pm
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       --- Quote from: sixohs link ---
       >
       > Is there a single upside to t/r, besides getting to know the
       truth ?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Depends on what the deal is, I guess. I saw the lies and the
       b.s. around me and wanted to know what was true. Knowing Truth
       exist is an upside to me ("me" in a figure of speech, not
       literally "me" me). So, I wouldn't want to miss out on that by
       stopping at H/A. Not that there is or ever was a choice. So the
       upside is that it is true, the downside is "you" don't get to
       enjoy it. (so funny, really)
       Edit: and no, you don't get to know Truth, it's impossible for
       someone to know Truth, can't be done.
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       Re: Jed Rant... What you are and are not
   DIR By: sixohs
       Date: July 2, 2016, 1:08 pm
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       So there's no benefit to t/r? Not even the symptoms. No loss of
       anxiety, no using it to gain perfect knowledge. No synchronicity
       to help you make money? No cashing out on other seekers. No
       skills or talents. You get to "not know the truth" , realize
       nothing is real...and then have the added dilemma of not being
       able to function in society .......can anyone who is "awake"
       refute this ?
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       Re: Jed Rant... What you are and are not
   DIR By: j(
       Date: July 2, 2016, 2:28 pm
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       No one can refute anything for someone else. However, you don't
       have to buy what everyone else is selling. Try writing your own
       story. Fuck the critics and nay sayers. They "don't exist
       anyways" it is there right to not have an "upside" and your
       right to call their bullsh*t. Good luck.
       #Post#: 22358--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed Rant... What you are and are not
   DIR By: Frits
       Date: July 2, 2016, 2:39 pm
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       The benefit is impersonal, it's the best and the worst, which is
       the same... all cool.
       #Post#: 22359--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed Rant... What you are and are not
   DIR By: Mori
       Date: July 2, 2016, 3:29 pm
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       best? worst? sounds like more b.s.
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